eh. kids will probably end up still gravitating to certain types of toys.. despite this group of "concerned parents" meddling... comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] I work in retail. Little boys go after the Barbies all the time. Also Easy Bake Ovens, My Little Pony, etc., etc.MrGeezerWhich sort of reinforces my point. People are gonna want what they want regardless. Toys R Us's marketing and product labelling has little to nothing to do with it. If some little boy leans towards Barbie dolls, then the fact that it's in the girls section isn't gonna turn him off from it. Boys who want manly stuff are gonna be drawn to manly stuff regardless, and boys who want girly stuff are gonna be drawn to girly stuff regardless. No one's buying this $hit just because of how Toys R Us presents. Oh, the way that culture presents it has an effect, but Toys R Us's marketing is such a small part of culture that it's negligible. Kids go for stuff because they just like it, or because it's popular with their friends, or because their parents are saying that's the kind of toy they should like.
I think that's pretty naive.
But anyway, I fail to see the problem with what Toys R Us is doing, but some people will be up in arms for cultural reasons.
This isn't about pressuring kids one way or another. It's the opposite, by giving kids the choice without obvious bias. For the longest time, my nephew's favorite color was pink, but he also played with traditionally boy's toys as well.
I'm not going to yank a doll out of my son's hand if he chooses it. Hell, I had a Cabbage Patch Kid when I was growing up and I had several male friends who did too.Â
Not that I have anything against giving kids choices, it's that Toys R Us' role here is pretty insignificant. If anyone was pressuring kids to fit into certain perceived gender roles, it was never Toys R Us. It's the parents who won't let their little boys buy a girly toy. Or it's the kid's classmates who set the standard for what kinds of toys a little boy should like. Or it's movies and TV that set the message for what they should be playing with. I'm not even saying that kids aren't pressured to like certain things, they just aren't really pressured by Toys R Us. Getting rid of "boys" and "girls" labels isn't going to actually change anything. Of course...if nothing changes, then it's hard to be against this. And I'm not for this or against this. All I'm saying that it's not going to actually accomplish anything.[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]Not that I have anything against giving kids choices, it's that Toys R Us' role here is pretty insignificant. If anyone was pressuring kids to fit into certain perceived gender roles, it was never Toys R Us. It's the parents who won't let their little boys buy a girly toy. Or it's the kid's classmates who set the standard for what kinds of toys a little boy should like. Or it's movies and TV that set the message for what they should be playing with. I'm not even saying that kids aren't pressured to like certain things, they just aren't really pressured by Toys R Us. Getting rid of "boys" and "girls" labels isn't going to actually change anything. Of course...if nothing changes, then it's hard to be against this. And I'm not for this or against this. All I'm saying that it's not going to actually accomplish anything.This isn't about pressuring kids one way or another. It's the opposite, by giving kids the choice without obvious bias. For the longest time, my nephew's favorite color was pink, but he also played with traditionally boy's toys as well.
I'm not going to yank a doll out of my son's hand if he chooses it. Hell, I had a Cabbage Patch Kid when I was growing up and I had several male friends who did too.Â
MrGeezer
It will appease about a dozen activists, probably. No one else will give a fvck.
Which sort of reinforces my point. People are gonna want what they want regardless. Toys R Us's marketing and product labelling has little to nothing to do with it. If some little boy leans towards Barbie dolls, then the fact that it's in the girls section isn't gonna turn him off from it. Boys who want manly stuff are gonna be drawn to manly stuff regardless, and boys who want girly stuff are gonna be drawn to girly stuff regardless. No one's buying this $hit just because of how Toys R Us presents. Oh, the way that culture presents it has an effect, but Toys R Us's marketing is such a small part of culture that it's negligible. Kids go for stuff because they just like it, or because it's popular with their friends, or because their parents are saying that's the kind of toy they should like.[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Makhaidos"] I work in retail. Little boys go after the Barbies all the time. Also Easy Bake Ovens, My Little Pony, etc., etc.GreySeal9
I think that's pretty naive.
But anyway, I fail to see the problem with what Toys R Us is doing, but some people will be up in arms for cultural reasons.
If Toys R Us decided to stock Barbie in the boys section instead of the girl's section, are you telling me that people would suddenly see Barbie as a boy's toy just because Toys R Us labels it as such? No. People don't need Toys R Us to tell them what toys are for who. For the most part, people know a "boys toy" and a "girls toy" and a "gender neutral toy" when they see one. And that's why this is a complete non-issue. Leave the boys/girls labels or take them away, it really doesn't matter one bit. If people saw it as a girl's toy before, then it's still gonna be considered a girl's toy.Faux outrage is the best outrage!This seems exactly like the kind of non-issue that people will get really upset over.
TacticalDesire
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Which sort of reinforces my point. People are gonna want what they want regardless. Toys R Us's marketing and product labelling has little to nothing to do with it. If some little boy leans towards Barbie dolls, then the fact that it's in the girls section isn't gonna turn him off from it. Boys who want manly stuff are gonna be drawn to manly stuff regardless, and boys who want girly stuff are gonna be drawn to girly stuff regardless. No one's buying this $hit just because of how Toys R Us presents. Oh, the way that culture presents it has an effect, but Toys R Us's marketing is such a small part of culture that it's negligible. Kids go for stuff because they just like it, or because it's popular with their friends, or because their parents are saying that's the kind of toy they should like.MrGeezer
I think that's pretty naive.
But anyway, I fail to see the problem with what Toys R Us is doing, but some people will be up in arms for cultural reasons.
If Toys R Us decided to stock Barbie in the boys section instead of the girl's section, are you telling me that people would suddenly see Barbie as a boy's toy just because Toys R Us labels it as such? No. People don't need Toys R Us to tell them what toys are for who. For the most part, people know a "boys toy" and a "girls toy" and a "gender neutral toy" when they see one. And that's why this is a complete non-issue. Leave the boys/girls labels or take them away, it really doesn't matter one bit. If people saw it as a girl's toy before, then it's still gonna be considered a girl's toy.No because those toys are all ready gendered. Also, those are extreme examples.
If there was some new, more gender ambiguous toy, Toys R Us could absolutely influence buyers by marketing it to a certain gender.
If it were heavily gender ambiguous, then there's a lot less chances of family and peers giving the kid $hit for playing it. Like I was saying, the biggest thing influencing people's actions is gonna be how SOCIETY looks at it. How parents treat a kid when he's playing with a toy, how his friends treat him when he's playing with a toy, that sort of thing. If the toy is really that gender ambiguous, then most people aren't even gonna have any basis for treating the kid like a weirdo. You could label Jenga as a girl's toy, and it wouldn't make much of a difference. Toys R Us can spend all day saying that it's for girls, everyone else is gonna look at it and just see a stack of wooden blocks.No because those toys are all ready gendered. Also, those are extreme examples.
If there was some new, more gender ambiguous toy, Toys R Us could absolutely influence buyers by marketing it to a certain gender.
GreySeal9
Good. I've done sociological studies at Toys-R-Us looking at their products and there's an obscene amount of outdated gender roles portrayed in their lineup. Toys depicting firefighters, military, doctors, and heroes in general are all exclusively male, whereas the women are given dolls and Justin Bieber crap. MakhaidosSo what? We don't wont girls thinking they can be any of those things. The aren't physically or mentally equipped for those roles. They're best to stay home and look after the kids.
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Not that it really matters. You can remove the boys and girls labels, but everyone's still gonna know that G.I. Joes are a "boys" thing and Barbie is a "girls" thing. Little boys don't avoid Barbie because Barbie is in the girls section at Toys R Us. Little boys avoid Barbie because it's obviously some girly $hit and they wouldn't be caught dead playing with one (unless "playing" involves setting it on fire). ROFL, setting barbie dolls on fire sounds like fun.The toy store has bowed to pressure from campaign group Let Toys Be Toys to stop promoting toys as gender specific over concerns about the impact this has on children when they are growing up and developing their personalities.
Toys R Us will now draw up plans for how to make its marketing more inclusive, and remove explicit references to gender in store. Adverts will eventually show boys and girls playing with the same toys, such as kitchens, toy guns and lego.
Let Toys Be Toys, a campaign group run by parents, has called for the removal of gender bias, saying it restricts childrens choices.
Megan Perryman, Let Toys Be Toys campaigner, said: "Even in 2013, boys and girls are still growing up being told that certain toys are for them, while others are not. This is not only confusing but extremely limiting as it strongly shapes their ideas about who they are."
Toys R Us announced the move after meetings with the campaign group. Roger McLaughlan, managing director of the toy store, told the Independent: "We will work to ensure we develop the best plan for our customers."Tesco, Sainsbury's, The Entertainer and TK Maxx have all agreed to remove 'girls' and 'boys' signs from the aisles following pressure from Let Toys Be Toys.
Harrods also launched its toy collection last summer based on theme rather than gender.
Last year the Swedish branch of Toys R Us launched a gender neutral advertising campaign at Christmas, showing girls shooting a toy gun and boys and girls playing together in a kitchen.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10288057/Toys-R-Us-to-stop-gender-biased-marketing.html
fvck yeah, bring on the genderless dystopia
MrGeezer
Also, a .44 Magnum is good against a barbie too aparently. :P
LOL @ girly laugh and stupid top comment.Â
I find political correctness lame, but this doesn't really bother me. The boys will still go to the boys section and the girls to the girls section. The girls section is nothing but pink anyway, so it's easy for everyone to distinguish what's what. :PLol political correctness.
N30F3N1X
No all we need is to get rid of the forced stereotype that girls must like pink. And that they are deserving of more care and attention especially when down, compared to a guy.dramaybazWhat's ironic about that is pink use to be the "boy's color," and blue was the "girl's color."
What's ironic about that is pink use to be the "boy's color," and blue was the "girl's color." Yeah, I think it switched to blue = boys and pink = girls around the 1940s or something.[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]No all we need is to get rid of the forced stereotype that girls must like pink. And that they are deserving of more care and attention especially when down, compared to a guy.Transfer_Point
[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]I find political correctness lame, but this doesn't really bother me. The boys will still go to the boys section and the girls to the girls section. The girls section is nothing but pink anyway, so it's easy for everyone to distinguish what's what. :PLol political correctness.
gamerguru100
It's not a matter of being bothered or not, it's a matter of wondering what will people b!tch about next.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone came up with the idea that books are homophobic because they're black and white and have no color inbetween or racist because they represent black invading a formerly all white area.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think it's wrong to recognize gender at all.m25105Thankfully not everyone thinks like that. Men and women are different for crying out loud. Last I checked it wasn't a man who spent 5 minutes rummaging through his handbag to find something. No, men have every right to use a handbag and invert their penis
[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think it's wrong to recognize gender at all.SolidSnake35Thankfully not everyone thinks like that. Men and women are different for crying out loud. Last I checked it wasn't a man who spent 5 minutes rummaging through his handbag to find something. No, men have every right to use a handbag and invert their penis Either you're a troll or you're so political correct it's borderline brain washing.
[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think it's wrong to recognize gender at all.SolidSnake35Thankfully not everyone thinks like that. Men and women are different for crying out loud. Last I checked it wasn't a man who spent 5 minutes rummaging through his handbag to find something. No, men have every right to use a handbag and invert their penis men? I find that highly offensive Please call us earthlings or homo sapiens ...never mind that last one, I don't like the connotations its making
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Political correctness gone madPffrbt
How is it political correctness gone mad to acknowledge that toys don't need to be gender specific. Boys can cook and girls can use guns and tools. Literally nothing bad can come from this.
Again...why should guns be treated as a toy?[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Political correctness gone madPffrbt
How is it political correctness gone mad to acknowledge that toys don't need to be gender specific. Boys can cook and girls can use guns and tools. Literally nothing bad can come from this.
How many boys do you see in a Barbie ad? Toys are marketed towards a specific gender, simple as that Its just a way of categorizing toys as those sections contain products that are best suited towards that gender Its been like this for decades if not centuries Its like these mothers have nothing better to do than complain and b*tch And I would hazard a guess that these are the same parents that petition to have play equipment removed from schools because tiny Tim is made of glass /rant[QUOTE="Pffrbt"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Political correctness gone madLJS9502_basic
How is it political correctness gone mad to acknowledge that toys don't need to be gender specific. Boys can cook and girls can use guns and tools. Literally nothing bad can come from this.
Again...why should guns be treated as a toy?Don't ask me, I'm not the one making toy guns. I'm guessing because it's fun to aim and shoot and pretend.
Toys are marketed towards a specific gender, simple as that chaoscougar1
Its just a way of categorizing toys as those sections contain products that are best suited towards that gender
Its been like this for decades if not centuries
"It's been this way so it should stay this way because."
Its just a way of categorizing toys as those sections contain products that are best suited towards that genderPffrbt
Why should something be more suited to one gender over another. Why can't things simply be for whoever wants them, without arbitrarily defining who it is and isn't for.Â
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I guess we shouldn't have a mens and womens section in clothes stores either, as something shouldn't be more suited to one gender over another??
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Political correctness gone madPffrbt
How is it political correctness gone mad to acknowledge that toys don't need to be gender specific. Boys can cook and girls can use guns and tools. Literally nothing bad can come from this.
And what is wrong with companies doing research and creating products based off of said research? That is what they are doing and why boys and girls have different toys. We are not the same and toy companies don't go into this blind. There is nothing wrong with doing research and creating products/services geared towards certain groups based on that research. Nothing good will come from denying this.[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Political correctness gone madPffrbt
How is it political correctness gone mad to acknowledge that toys don't need to be gender specific. Boys can cook and girls can use guns and tools. Literally nothing bad can come from this.
I know, reading some of the kneejerk reactions on this thread made me lose 20 IQ pointsI find political correctness lame, but this doesn't really bother me. The boys will still go to the boys section and the girls to the girls section. The girls section is nothing but pink anyway, so it's easy for everyone to distinguish what's what. :P[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]
Lol political correctness.
N30F3N1X
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At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone came up with the idea that books are homophobic because they're black and white and have no color inbetween or racist because they represent black invading a formerly all white area.
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