Trump to Announce Carrier Plant Will Keep ~1000 Jobs in U.S.

@mattbbpl said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mattbbpl said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mattbbpl said:

Those reforms you cite were made, and the bailout saved 1.5 million US jobs.

US still has one of the highest corporate tax rate in OECD group.

https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=TABLE_II1

Germany's corporate income tax rate is 15.83 percent.

Trump plans to increase import transport tax. The tax is not applied against imported goods.

Trump wants to decrease corporate tax while increase import transport tax.

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The tax is not applied against imported goods hence a potential workaround for WTO rules.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flips-the-script-on-jobs-reshoring-finally-outpaced-offshoring-in-2014-2015-05-01

In year 2014, "Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America" due to import transport cost (thank you OPEC). The key idea is playing with the transport cost....

Trump is focusing on increasing import transport tax and more shale oil to magnify the current conditions hence accelerating the manufacturing jobs returning to America.

Trump's approach is already half exist under Obama, but needs to be exploited.

Hillary's election managers needs to be fired i.e. their focus on making Trump unelectable reduced sending the message on a plan to bring back manufacturing jobs. Obama blames Hillary for f**king-up her election chance. Trump trolled Hillary's election managers so they focus on Trump instead of Obama's results.

Are you just going to throw straw man around from this point on, or are you actually planning on addressing my response at some point?

Your so-called reform arguments are mostly ownership changes and it's not real structural change i.e. very little reform to improve the manufacturing business environment. Your fake reform arguments are the real straw man arguments.

@ronvalencia said:

@mattbbpl said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mattbbpl said:

Trump plans to increase import transport tax. The tax is not applied against imported goods.

Trump wants to decrease corporate tax while increase import transport tax.

Loading Video...

The tax is not applied against imported goods hence a potential workaround for WTO rules.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flips-the-script-on-jobs-reshoring-finally-outpaced-offshoring-in-2014-2015-05-01

In year 2014, "Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America" due to import transport cost (thank you OPEC). The key idea is playing with the transport cost....

Trump is focusing on increasing import transport tax and more shale oil to magnify the current conditions hence accelerating the manufacturing jobs returning to America.

Trump's approach is already half exist under Obama, but needs to be exploited.

Hillary's election managers needs to be fired i.e. their focus on making Trump unelectable reduced sending the message on a plan to bring back manufacturing jobs. Obama blames Hillary for f**king-up her election chance. Trump trolled Hillary's election managers so they focus on Trump instead of Obama's results.

Are you just going to throw straw man around from this point on, or are you actually planning on addressing my response at some point?

Your so-called reform arguments are mostly ownership changes and it's not real structural change i.e. very little reform to improve the manufacturing business environment. Your fake reform arguments are the real straw man arguments.

He aint gonna address shat, hes a copy paste troII. All he does is spin baby spin. Good ol Trump Puppet. Will be fun holding him accountable for all Trumps dumb arse actions.

@iandizion713 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@mattbbpl said:

@ronvalencia said:

Trump plans to increase import transport tax. The tax is not applied against imported goods.

Trump wants to decrease corporate tax while increase import transport tax.

Loading Video...

The tax is not applied against imported goods hence a potential workaround for WTO rules.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flips-the-script-on-jobs-reshoring-finally-outpaced-offshoring-in-2014-2015-05-01

In year 2014, "Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America" due to import transport cost (thank you OPEC). The key idea is playing with the transport cost....

Trump is focusing on increasing import transport tax and more shale oil to magnify the current conditions hence accelerating the manufacturing jobs returning to America.

Trump's approach is already half exist under Obama, but needs to be exploited.

Hillary's election managers needs to be fired i.e. their focus on making Trump unelectable reduced sending the message on a plan to bring back manufacturing jobs. Obama blames Hillary for f**king-up her election chance. Trump trolled Hillary's election managers so they focus on Trump instead of Obama's results.

Are you just going to throw straw man around from this point on, or are you actually planning on addressing my response at some point?

Your so-called reform arguments are mostly ownership changes and it's not real structural change i.e. very little reform to improve the manufacturing business environment. Your fake reform arguments are the real straw man arguments.

He aint gonna address shat, hes a copy paste troII. All he does is spin baby spin. Good ol Trump Puppet. Will be fun holding him accountable for all Trumps dumb arse actions.

I have addressed HIS SHITY REFORM ARGUMENTS. I'll take you on punk.

@ronvalencia: You wish, youll just spin and spin like usual. Trump has taught you well young puppet.

Your concession has been accepted. Year 2014 results was under Obama with OPEC(other foreign governments)'s high oil price you stupid shit.

If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

Maybe you should read your posts........lol. PS it's in your quote chain.

And as an aside....can you guys cut the quote chains.

You cited structural reforms that needed to be made from a source you provided, namely fleets that are able to adapt to higher fuel prices which are notoriously volatile. Neither I nor you mentioned ownership changes or anything else, yet you replied with the response below:

http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-us-must-end-cycle-of-intervention-and-chaos/3626252.html

Earlier Tuesday, Trump appeared in the lobby of his New York office building with Masayoshi Son, the head of Japanese telecommunications giant SoftBank, who announced plans to invest $50 billion in the United States with a goal of creating 50,000 jobs.

@ronvalencia: Which was in the works months ago........BEFORE Trump.

"Works" is different from actual execution. You are ignoring Masayoshi Son visiting Trump.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/technology/masayoshi-son-trump-softbank-japan/

After Tuesday's meeting, Son said he decided to back American startups because Trump had made deregulation part of his platform.

Man, the number keeps dropping:

"...until the union leader heard from Carrier that only 730 of the production jobs would stay and 550 of his members would lose their livelihoods, after all".

Oh, well. Better than nothing I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/he-got-up-there-and-lied-his-a-off-carrier-union-leader-on-trumps-big-deal/?utm_term=.0427e65f336e

7,000,000 in tax breaks. Great job, Mr. Cheeto. They just worked you over, big time. Or should I say: BIG LEAGUE

Hmm, a union for Carrier employees? Did anyone think to wonder if extraordinarily high salaries for those union employees are part of the reason why Carrier is moving the jobs? We have seen places open, unions want the workers to organize and votes were cast against it due to them knowing what happened to them previously. Ask yourself why foreign companies are opening plants in the South. Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Kia and Volkswagen to name a few. If people want answers to why companies are moving offshore, yes, it is due to salaries. They are looking for cheaper labor after all.

@WhiteKnight77: Extraordinarily high? CEO's make the big money not the employees. Also the cost of living in the US is higher.

UAW employees make at least $44 an hour just to put cars together (some may make more and others less). Union boilermakers make $45 an hour. Do CEOs make big money? Sure, but it is labor wages that are driving companies offshore. Should CEOs take a pay cut? Yes, but they will not. They will get rid of the US factories and move to where labor is cheaper and have been doing so since NAFTA was signed by Bill.

@WhiteKnight77: Trump's 2020 campaign slogan: "Quit your whining, Rust Belt. The problem is you're getting paid too much".

Oh well. Soon the plant will be automated, and not long after that, replaced all together by 3D printing. Our economy is hosed.

From what I've seen that is a bit of an exaggeration. Anyway technology is getting rid of the jobs and will continue to do so. The workforce needs to change.

There are many jobs that robots will never be able to do. Can robots weld on a vehicle production line? Sure, but robots will never be able to build a boiler or power plant. Robots will not even be able to wire up those Carrier ACs in the plant, humans will have to. Robots will never build roads, houses or office buildings. Self serve kiosks in your local fast food place will replace some fast food workers, and those that are kept will still keep making minimum wage save for the managers.

Let's stay on track. We're talking about manufacturing jobs decreasing. And that is because of automation. Not sure why you're using straw man tactics.

At least the remaining jobs stay at their current location.

During year 2014 with high fuel prices.

This union leader hasn't saved any jobs.

Before the bailout, GM already manufactures smaller vehicles.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-best-selling-vehicles-for-2013.html

Toyota Prius wasn't in the top 10 best selling vehicles. Large Ford F-150 was the best seller and Ford doesn't need the bailout.

Chevrolet Silverado 1500 has position 4 in year 2013's top 10 sales. Pre-bailout GM's large debt/liabilities was the ticking time bomb.

Pre-bailout GM was still one of sales top vehicle manufacturer while it has accumulated unchecked debt/liabilities which can snowball in the long term.

Ford has a better record than GM.

For non-Trucks, large proportion in year 2013's top 10 sales are high reliability vehicles e.g. Toyota, Honda.

That's not even the biggest incentive. Carrier's parent company is United Technologies, a large defense contract firm. The deal most likely enabled UT to be in a favorable position for winning some big dollar defense contracts that undoubtedly come out under Trump's administration. Funny how Trump supporters who criticized for months Clinton's close relationship with giant corporation is now completely silenced over this particular obvious conflict of interest.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/federal-contracts-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/

Robots will never build roads,

"Houses or office buildings"

Are you sure about that?

That's not 100 percent printed home construction e.g. internal fitting installation and somebody needs to relocate/operate/maintain large scale 3D printer. The point is to save jobs which is better than zero jobs.

Pre-fab walls are already in used with construction.

@ronvalencia: The claim was never. We may not be there just yet, but we're a lot further along than that.

Neither of those state that no humans be involved.

Will some jobs be lost to automation? Possibly, but there are plenty of jobs, even in manufacturing (even houses are pre-made nowadays and trucked to the site via tractor-trailer), that cannot be replaced by automation.

Nope. All jobs can be automated. Don't think otherwise.

So tell me how a robot gets up into the superheat loops of a recovery boiler and does a liquid penetrant inspection on the 9th tube back of the 15th platen in the center of the boiler some 160 or so feet up. How about finding that crack in a 5/16" weld that is in a 1/4" gap that Mk. 1 Mod 1 eyeballs can see? A company has developed a tool to help with inspections, but as human is still required to run it and interpret the data it creates.

Buy it cost them $7 million in local tax revenue from the state, for 1,000 jobs, such tactics are a recipe for disaster, they can bankrupt states. Nothing more than a the shallowness of a photo op, like every time he promises to give to charity but doesn't. He just has to say he will to get all the good coverage but the jestures are just that, nothing more than jestures.

Everything a human can do there will be a robot built that can do it better. And it will be cheaper to have the robot do it than the human and less risk involved. This kind of stuff is already happening. There is no rhyme or reason to denying the upcoming automation revolution.

Perhaps creative jobs won't be automated.

LOL what??!?

Why would those be impossible for a robot to do? They sound like things that a robot could do much better than a human with the proper sensors and software.

Due to humans being able to discern an actual indication that is rejectable from one that isn't. What is rejectable in this pic?

I do not see robots doing things such as this on oil rig floating somewhere off the coast.