Trumps lead pick for National Security adviser is Anti-Muslim

General Flynn like Trump has a loose relationship with facts. His unreliable assertions are so bad that when he use to run the Defense Intelligence Agency, subordinates came up with a name for the phenomenon: They called them “Flynn facts.” General Flynn not long ago was the famous Trump adviser who made the claim Shariah Law was spreading in the United States. Which was quickly debunked. Flynn was let go from his duties after he made a claim that the United States was worst off today then it was prior to 9/11.

Also like Trump, Flynn will come to the White House with some heavy baggage. "The Flynn Intel Group, a consulting firm he founded after he was fired by President Obama as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has hazy business ties to Middle Eastern countries and has appeared to lobby for the Turkish government."

"General Flynn also took a paid speaking engagement last year with Russia Today, a television network funded by the Kremlin, and attended the network’s lavish anniversary party in Moscow, where he sat at Mr. Putin’s elbow."

“He is a very talented information gatherer,” said Sarah Chayes of the Carnegie Endowment in Washington, who worked with General Flynn when he ran military intelligence in Afghanistan from 2009 to 2011.

“But his thinking process is not sufficiently analytical to test some streams against others and make sense of it, or draw consistent conclusions,” she said. “If you listen to him, in 10 minutes you’ll hear him contradict himself two or three times.”

Flynn blames Muslims for the worlds problems. He thinks Muslims want to turn other places in the world into places like the Middle East. He condemns people who do not condemn Muslims. He considers the religion Islam to be the root problem of all the worlds major issues. He wants to kill Islam and erase it from the face of this earth.

Its fascist like Flynn who give Americans a bad and evil image. Condemn a whole religion? Religious persecution? End Americas freedom of religion, our First Amendment? This guys is suppose to be Trumps National Security adviser.

How do you feel about Trumps pick for National Security advisor? How do you feel about Islam? Is it the root of all evil, or is it just another silly religion that people should be free to pursue?

Source, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/michael-flynn-national-security-adviser-donald-trump.html

Great pick.

@effec_tor: I assume your wanting to fight Islam? Do you support banning the religion in America?

Who said anything about banning a religion?

I hope it isn't, and its far too early to tell, but I could see this among the worst 4 years in presidential history. I hope we get him out before theres a nuclear war. Trump reminds me of Martin Sheen in "The Dead Zone".

Hard for me to believe that people would elect a guy with no related experience and the arrested mentality of a kid, to the highest office of the land just because they wanted change, not even having a full idea of what that change could be (Trump doesn't even know, looks like he isn't draining the swamp). He played the American people. Ever see "Being There" (great movie by the way)?

I was just asking. Usually people who are anti Islam, want to destroy it, fight it, etc...usually want to ban it.

@AFBrat77: Ive never seen the movie, but the trailer made it seem interesting. Ill have to check it out.

Just because he is an idiot, does not mean Islam is not a worldwide problem. Any ideology that promotes violence, and does not make itself open to reform and revision is something bad for humanity. And when that refusal to be open is backed by violence on a worldwide scale? sheeeeit.

@hillelslovak: Do you think the world should go to war with Islam? Destroy it? Ban it?

Terrorism doesn't have a religion. I don't think war is the answer. Doubt General Flynn is as dense as people make him out to be.

@playmynutz: Check out this video hes been promoting.

What part of that vid is wrong?

Flyn who served as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board is no idiot.

Its condemning a religion and the people who follow it.

Guess they better fix their problem.

@effec_tor: Crusade? How would you fix it? Just ban the religion? Go to war with it? Kill all Muslims?

what?

@effec_tor: How would you fight Islam? How would you defeat it? Flynn wants to fight Islam. Did you not read his book "Field of Fight". He says we have to fight Islam, its why were losing.

Hes says, these people arent yelling Jesus Christ when they kill. They are yelling Allah! Says we must fight Islam.

Destroy it? Yes

Ban it? No

Trying to ban religion is obviously not very prodcutive of a tactic as Soviet Russia proved. But trying to undermine it through education, peer pressure and perhaps most importantly superior culture does work. Look at how Western Culture completely wrecked Shia Islam in Iran. The theocratic government is practically shitting itself, over half its population is millenial, and iranian millenials dont give a shit about islam. Once their time is up, that will hopefully put a stop on Islam as well. Their theocratic shia government is not sustainable.

Just try to build up secularism in these regions and let the open marketplace of ideas sort Islam out. Islam wont survive the scrutiny and pressure outside forces give it.

@Maroxad: Education would be a good way to do it. Its pretty much what we try to do now. But going to war with them hurts our education chances. We would need to embrace and open up trade with them.

Sadly education is not enough.

While we do educate. The Saudi Government is promoting Wahhabbi Islam at the same time and is doing so at a higher rate than we provide education. Something should be done to counter those efforts. Though as stated previously, banning wahhabbi mosques is not the solution, you will just (further) radicalize and move it underground.

Another potential solution is to seriously undermine more radical sects like Wahhabbi and Salafi, while promoting more sane ones like Ahmadiyya.

@Maroxad: Or could sanction them. Wed be pressuring them with money. We kinda already do that with Saudi Arabia, but we could force them to progress faster. Try to get them playing video games, sports, music, etc.

Tried to get Pokemon GO in Saudi Arabia, but they banned it due to gambling and belief in many gods. Saudi Arabia is also promoting strong female characters in there video games as they are popular over there. They dont have cinemas or concerts so most just play video games.

We need to have a real, meaningful dialogue, and help Muslims in the Western world reform their religion without the credible threat of them being murdered for theological grievances. However, it must be noted, Western liberal values, and the free, unfettered expression of all people is not up for discussion. Islamic law has no place in Western society. Islam, like every other religion, must take it's place in the marketplace of ideas and reform itself like every other religion has. Make no mistake, Islam and The West are in a war of ideas. The west has DESTROYED the Muslim world in the war of culture, technology, ethics and ideas. Islam is an ideology of worldwide domination. Convert, subjugate or kill every human being until kafir (disbelief) is nowhere to be found.

Saudi Arabia is ruled by the Sharia, and videogames are not allowed at all. Videogames are tools of western civilization used to weaken the righteous Muslim children into not following Allah. I mean damn, these people wont even stoop to allowing their children smallpox vaccines or let them learn mathematics, who gives a shit about videogames?

@iandizion713: That video is tailored towards their audience. Muslims will never be persecuted in the US.

Trump voters are leading the US down a dangerous path. As for Trump.....he sucks.

We elected Obama twice he had no experience and never accomplished anything before becoming President.

What metric are people here basing the chances of reforming how Islam is practiced? That most Muslim kids are like Western kids who have no problems shaking off the practices of their elders? C'mon.

Just like other immigrants, Muslim immigrants brought their practices with them from their home countries. It's their identity and they're not going to shake it off, no more than those who are proud of their Irish, Italian, or Mexican heritage. Unfortunately, some also brought the more extreme beliefs. Laws may prevent them from outwardly practicing such beliefs. But, there's nothing to stop them from practicing in the privacy of their own home.

I spent six years in Upstate New York. In that time, there were at least two very high profile honor killings. They weren't Saudi. They weren't Iranian. Both incidents involved Pakistanis beheading their own family members for being Western. It's scary to think honor killings happen in the US, especially in NY. Unfortunately, many similar incidents often fall under domestic violence. So, it could mean honor killings from people who refuse to change are more widespread than what's visible.

I don't think Flynn is as terrible as people make him out to be, but I do think he is a relative idiot compared to a lot of the talent in the intelligence community, so it actually kind of makes sense that Trump would pick him; he says what Trump want's to hear, he panders to the Trump zealots, and he goes after Foreign Brown Skinned People, which are generally America's alleged/implied enemy #1 for as long as we can remember.

With that said, my mind is officially closed to a Trump presidency; after Bannon, now this, I just can't stomach anything else. Trump is going to sink the country. Time to start writing letters, making phone calls, and donating time.

First the second time he was elected you cannot say he had no experience.....nonetheless he was involved in politics before being elected the first time. And prior to that he was in the Illinois Senate. You should actually pay attention to facts before posting.

@hillelslovak: I agree the two cultures are incompatible but that does not mean they cannot coexist.

I used to think it was a socioeconomic thing, but then a report came out that all these European and Western people that go overseas to "train" as jihadist are fairly affluent (or, at the least, middle class...smart phones, TVs, junk food, iPods...you know, normal American or European crap) and that kind of shocked me.

I'm not really sure what to think any more other than this: a certain % of the population is just going to try to kill the rest of us, and that's all there is to it. Deal with it *shrug* We can either deal with it poorly and as an authoritarian society; or we can deal with it well and cope with it on a more personal level, maybe suffer a bit more, but become stronger as a whole. Or maybe there's a third, fourth, fifth, six...n'th option out there.

We go by what has been proven to work.

Exposing people to western culture, has worked. In Iran, the theocratic government failed to suppress western ideas and concepts to the youth, and as a result, especially among the youth, Islamic Doctorine was crushed in the open marketplace of ideas.

Trying to ban Islam or hinder religious practice has only strengthened convictions and lead to further radicalization. And you wont be able to change those who are already too far gone.

Really great pick, I don't want any more Muslim come in US. Islam isn't religion of peace, period. If you know some nice and friendly Muslims, you could consider them as Muslims with "weak faith". Muslims with "strong faith" are dangerous af.

Xenophobic much? Anyway the US was founded on religious freedom.

Some of the best people I know are Muslim, I volunteered mentoring children in a low income housing development, most of whom were Muslim. Really wonderful people who only want what's best for their children and to live the American dream. Don't talk until you've sat down and talked with and hung out with people of Muslim faith, or even learned about their faith for that matter. I'd say the extremists are the one's with weak faith, it takes much greater faith to be kind and accepting then it does to bomb and kill those who don't believe the same as you do.

@JimB:

Obama was a U.S. senator and isn't the mental case Trump is, so big difference. I believe he was also a Professor of Constitutional Law or something like that, so he had knowledge about U.S. government.

I don't know your background Jim, but if you and I are just regular guys that don't know a tremendous amount about government then we are at least as qualified as Trump to be president. I expect more knowledge about government for someone coming into that position. Not just a narcissist that screams "look at ME, give ME attention, oh uh I won the presidency, what do I do now?" I get that impression with him.

Xenophobic? It's nothing wrong to resist against a group of people who believe in religion that encourages violence. We don't need any more violence in our country. Take a look at UK to get an idea if we invite Muslims into our country.

Great pick.... Its nice to finally have people that wont be afraid to name the problem.

The youth grow older and when they do, many tend to fall back on the ways of their elders, especially when they start a family. Heck. It happens here in Western society. You have younger vibrant couples who moved here from the 80's and 90's. You'd think after so many years, they'd be set in Western ways? Nope. They go kill their kids because they're too Western. Worse, such practices get passed down to the next generation.

Is there a solution? I don't know. If I knew, I'd be rich with several villas in different countries. The very laws that define our freedom are also the same laws that sustain such practices. We can't really do anything about it without violating their rights. The only thing we can do is react when something bad happens.

It's common for people who support Muslims just because they know some of friendly Muslims. But I'm sorry to say, they are the one's with weak faith. I've read most of Quran, I can assure you that it's not what you think.

Exactly.

@iandizion713: Don't be native. Progressives can't handle old world issues.

In Syria and Libya, progressive ideology was defeated by Islamic Wahhabism based ideology.

Islamic Wahhabism is spreading to Indonesia.

http://theweek.com/articles/570297/how-saudi-arabia-exports-radical-islam

A trove of Saudi diplomatic documents covering 2010 to 2015, recently released by WikiLeaks, shows a Saudi obsession with Iranian actions and Iranian influence

Saudi government agencies monitor Iranian cultural and religious activities, and try to muzzle Shiite influence by shutting down or blocking access to Iranian-backed media. Saudi diplomats keep close tabs on Iranian involvement everywhere, from Tajikistan, which has strong historical Persian ties, to China, where the tiny, beleaguered Uighur population — which is Muslim — is growing more religious

How do the Saudis promote their religious views?

By investing heavily in building mosques, madrasas, schools, and Sunni cultural centers across the Muslim world. Indian intelligence says that in India alone, from 2011 to 2013, some 25,000 Saudi clerics arrived bearing more than $250 million to build mosques and universities and hold seminars. "We are talking about thousands and thousands of activist organizations and preachers who are in the Saudi sphere of influence," said Usama Hasan, a researcher in Islamic studies. These institutions and clerics preach the specifically Saudi version of Sunni Islam, the extreme fundamentalist strain known as Wahhabism or Salafism.

The main driver against Iran is Saudi Arabia and western progressives are being played by Saudi Arabia i.e. western progressives are proxies for Saudi Arabia against Iran.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bnd-report-on-saudi-arabias-power-struggle-2015-12

Germany's intelligence agency says Saudi Arabia's 'game of thrones' risks tearing the Middle East apart

@RageQuit4Life:

I don't generally agree with you but I do here to an extent. I've had 2 housemates here through the years that shed some light on this subject, one from India, one from Ghana, both very good guys and very intelligent. They both told me how much Muslims hate Americans, they try to make a great population with multiple wives and usurp western countries (maybe all countries) from within.

I think new immigrants in general should be vetted thoroughly, Muslims and refugees in particular while we are at war with Isis. There are plenty of good Muslims, no doubt, but from what I understand, there is plenty of information in the Quran to be concerned about.

One of the few things I agree with Trump on, but certainly not enough to vote for him. I am still not a big fan of Flynn, think he's a bit too war hungry and I don't trust Trump with the nuclear codes. I think Flynn will have too much influence in this presidency a la Cheyney with dubya.

What are talking about, they play video games like crazy. Its the most popular activity for their young.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/08/10/431241078/saudi-arabias-passion-for-online-gaming

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/12/09/458806442/for-young-saudi-women-video-games-offer-self-expression

http://www.polygon.com/features/2015/4/30/8514675/a-saudi-prince-is-using-video-games-to-fuel-an-intellectual

We will prevail. It takes time to spread love and Democracy. And progressivism was not offered in Libya and Syria, bombs were.

Progressives establishment made a mess. The assumption made for Libya and Syria was democracy+progressive ideology revolution was the desired end game and it was defeated by Islamic Wahhabism based ideology.

It's arrogant for the leftist to think that the progressives ideology to win the end game i.e. progressives are stuck in isolated ideology bubble.

http://theweek.com/articles/570297/how-saudi-arabia-exports-radical-islam

Where has Wahhabism reached?

Nearly everywhere in the Muslim world except where Iran holds sway. In the 1980s, Saudi money and fighters poured into Afghanistan to help the mujahedeen fight the Soviets, an effort that gave rise to the Taliban and eventually to al Qaeda. In the 1990s, Saudi aid to the Bosnian Muslims struggling in the wars that broke up Yugoslavia brought the Wahhabi strain of Islam to Europe. That same decade, Saudi money helped to further radicalize Chechnya's Muslims. One of the cables released by WikiLeaks quotes then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide." Most members of al Qaeda were Saudi, including Osama bin Laden, and 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis.

The breakup of Yugoslavia's puppet master is Saudi Arabia and under Bill Clinton, the progressive western establishment was played like a broken guitar by Saudi Arabia.

Progressive western establishment got the blame for regime change inference while Saudi Arabia is silently reached it's goal without getting blamed.

Yet, there is no evidence that they will to go back to their more fundamentalists viewpoints of their elders. This massive rise of seculars in Iran is a rather recent trend, not something that has been going on since the iranian revolution.

Those you listed are a few isolated cases, not actual trends. I am talking about trends. These secular iranians, are NOT in a world where fundamentalist islam is normalized. If anything, the culture they live in is one where fundamentalist Islam is the opposite of being normalized. Looked down upon and shunned. An open marketplace of ideas, can do wonders towards unnormalizing islam, fundamentalist or otherwise. Islam can not stand up to scrutiny, and what secularism and western culture can achieve is to provide a much more compelling alternative, preventing people from going down the rabbit hole to begin with. With people moving away from religious fundamentalism Islam is no longer as noramlized as it once seemed, and thus its toxic influence gets weaker.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/saudi-arabia-pokemon-go-ban (UK website)

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81345 (USA website)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1243307.stm (UK website)

http://banned-videogames.silk.co/page/Assassin's-Creed-Saudi-Arabia

@ronvalencia: Progressives do not support the bombing of humans. They are anti war. But yes, it was better then what Republicans would have done.

I never stated they didnt ban some video games. I even talked about why they banned Pokemon GO. I stated video games are super popular in Saudi Arabia. They even design strong female character video games for women.

The progressive establishment drop bombs for the regime change.

The Bush administration are also linked with Saudi Arabia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bush,_House_of_Saud

@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.