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@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

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The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position. This should be a government for all Americans not just the minority.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

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#102  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@ronvalencia said:
@mark1974 said:

@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

Loading Video...

The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble? The shit are you talking about? At every turn, for the last 35 years, he has been a living demonstration of what it is like for a rich man to live in his ivory tower, and know nothing about anything outside of what other rich men do, and who pissed him off that moment. What's next, he is not a doughy little bitch, and probably runs marathons in his spare time? Goddamn dude.

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#103  Edited By ronvalencia
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@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@mark1974 said:

@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

Loading Video...

The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble? The shit are you talking about? At every turn, for the last 35 years, he has been a living demonstration of what it is like for a rich man to live in his ivory tower, and know nothing about anything outside of what other rich men do, and who pissed him off that moment. What's next, he is not a doughy little bitch, and probably runs marathons in his spare time? Goddamn dude.

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@mark1974 said:

@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

Loading Video...

The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble? The shit are you talking about? At every turn, for the last 35 years, he has been a living demonstration of what it is like for a rich man to live in his ivory tower, and know nothing about anything outside of what other rich men do, and who pissed him off that moment. What's next, he is not a doughy little bitch, and probably runs marathons in his spare time? Goddamn dude.

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

Please refute my position, please. I am not a progressive. And for you to call anyone who thought Hilary would win fools is laughable. Pollsters typically get the elections right, but the mainstream media and pollsters did not account for many simple things, like people being ashamed of being Trump voters, being silent on it, and voting for him.

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The fact that literally hundreds of millions of people who follow an ideology could see any situation at all where the murder of non combatants could be justified in defense of their faith is striking.

Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

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@mark1974 said:

@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Can you go one day with flipping out? You need to relax and stop spreading hate. Even when you get proven wrong as I and ronvalencia have done, you just double down and scream. Just be calm and reasonable, that is not too much to ask.

Can a Trump supporter go one day without excusing the bad behavior of their champion and ignoring reality?

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As though opposing Islam is somehow a negative, lol.

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Being anti-muslim and anti-dudes shooting up nightclubs and EID mass mall stabbing and NYC explosions is not the same thing.

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#109  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.

Horse shit.. Clinton, not Trump, was talking about getting militarily involved Syria leading to a direct confrontation with Russia.. The Democrats in the house and senate voted almost to the one, for the Iraq War.. Libya was Obama's operation.. President Obama's droning program is 10 times larger than Bush's was.. The US government under a Democrat Presidency is currently arming Saudi Arabia who is bombing their neighbor's civilian population.. The guy that was anti war and anti bombing was Bernie Sanders, and the DNC and Clinton couldn't have that. Hillary Clinton, the supposed "progressive", has voted in favor of every major military operation in the past 20 years..

The only guy in the past 20 years that had serious rhetoric in cutting military spending and ending wars was Bernie Sanders.. If you're actually for those things, stand for those things, don't stand for the muppets that claim to but are really not.

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@iandizion713 said:

@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.

Horse shit.. Clinton, not Trump, was talking about getting militarily involved Syria leading to a direct confrontation with Russia.. The Democrats in the house and senate voted almost to the one, for the Iraq War.. Libya was Obama's operation.. President Obama's droning program is 10 times larger than Bush's was.. The US government under a Democrat Presidency is currently arming Saudi Arabia who is bombing their neighbor's civilian population.. The guy that was anti war and anti bombing was Bernie Sanders, and the DNC and Clinton couldn't have that. Hillary Clinton, the supposed "progressive", has voted in favor of every major military operation in the past 20 years..

The only guy in the past 20 years that had serious rhetoric in cutting military spending and ending wars was Bernie Sanders.. If you're actually for those things, stand for those things, don't stand for the muppets that claim to but are really not.

As we've already gone over before, Clinton is not a progressive. Obama wasn't a progressive either while in power, not because he didn't believe in progressive values, but because he had to make compromises with the Republican majority senate, the ones who held the real power over Obama.

The only truly progressive presidential candidate in America today is Bernie Sanders.

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@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@iandizion713 said:

@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.

Horse shit.. Clinton, not Trump, was talking about getting militarily involved Syria leading to a direct confrontation with Russia.. The Democrats in the house and senate voted almost to the one, for the Iraq War.. Libya was Obama's operation.. President Obama's droning program is 10 times larger than Bush's was.. The US government under a Democrat Presidency is currently arming Saudi Arabia who is bombing their neighbor's civilian population.. The guy that was anti war and anti bombing was Bernie Sanders, and the DNC and Clinton couldn't have that. Hillary Clinton, the supposed "progressive", has voted in favor of every major military operation in the past 20 years..

The only guy in the past 20 years that had serious rhetoric in cutting military spending and ending wars was Bernie Sanders.. If you're actually for those things, stand for those things, don't stand for the muppets that claim to but are really not.

As we've already gone over before, Clinton is not a progressive. Obama wasn't a progressive either while in power, not because he didn't believe in progressive values, but because he had to make compromises with the Republican majority senate, the ones who held the real power over Obama.

The only truly progressive presidential candidate in America today is Bernie Sanders.

Not according to Inandizion.. Perhaps you haven't seen his posting history.. He refuses to even acknowledge that the Democrat party has done anything close to the things I pointed out.

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
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The fact that literally hundreds of millions of people who follow an ideology could see any situation at all where the murder of non combatants could be justified in defense of their faith is striking.

Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:

The fact that literally hundreds of millions of people who follow an ideology could see any situation at all where the murder of non combatants could be justified in defense of their faith is striking.

Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

... That seems pretty odd because some of these countries for instance overwhelmingly support sharia which they declare is the LAW OF GOD... For instance Indonesia doesn't defend Islam, yet we had a recent story in which a Muslim woman was caned 26 times for being too close to her boyfriend in public... With shit like that going on I highly doubt they view what a non combatant is in the same way we do, with how they treat their own followers if they break their sharia law..

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@sSubZerOo said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:

Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

... That seems pretty odd because some of these countries for instance overwhelmingly support sharia which they declare is the LAW OF GOD... For instance Indonesia doesn't defend Islam, yet we had a recent story in which a Muslim woman was caned 26 times for being too close to her boyfriend in public... With shit like that going on I highly doubt they view what a non combatant is in the same way we do, with how they treat their own followers if they break their sharia law..

Indonesia is a curious example. You have apologists like Reza Aslan saying Indonesia is a thriving democracy willing to work with the west, and then you see it is all a facade. They have purity squads who arrest people for example, a woman sharing a hotel room with her boyfriend. Lots of crap like that goes on. But Indonesia is a country where the horrors of Islam are seen in a fascistic manner to their own people, but it does not seem to be spreading terroristic ideologies worldwide like Saudi Arabia does with Wahhabism, for example.

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:

Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

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@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
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Pew and Gallup polls have shown that Americans are far more likely to support the murder of non-combatants than Muslims. And considering how America elected Trump, that shouldn't be surprising at all.

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:

The few polls pew and gallup have done showed only results from Muslims within the most liberal countries. The proportion changes when you add the "In defense of Islam" to the end of the murder of non combatants question.

  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

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@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

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Awesome commentary on Trump's picks by a real progressive, Dr. Alveda King (MLK Jr.'s Niece)

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

The Oxford/Berkeley study takes all countries into account, not just moderate ones. If you want to include executions, then it's not going to change the findings. The Muslim countries with the highest execution rates are Iran (1.3 per 100,000) and Saudi Arabia (0.6 per 100,000). Even if we assumed a false scenario that every other Muslim country has such high execution rates (in reality, they don't come anywhere close), and added that to the average murder rate for Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), that would give 3 to 3.7 per 100,000, which is still be less than the murder rates for the United States (3.9 per 100,000), Christian countries (11 per 100,000), and non-Muslim countries (7.5 per 100,000).

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@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

The Oxford/Berkeley study takes all countries into account, not just moderate ones. If you want to include executions, then it's not going to change the findings. The Muslim countries with the highest execution rates are Iran (1.3 per 100,000) and Saudi Arabia (0.6 per 100,000). Even if we assumed a false scenario that every other Muslim country has such high execution rates (in reality, they don't come anywhere close), and added that to the average murder rate for Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), that would give 3 to 3.7 per 100,000, which is still be less than the murder rates for the United States (3.9 per 100,000), Christian countries (11 per 100,000), and non-Muslim countries (7.5 per 100,000).

Yeah, something tells me the most hardcore countries like Iraq, Iran, Somalia and Saudi Arabia do not accurately represent their numbers. They dont take into account all the other killing that goes on in those societies, what happens to minorities within those countries, etc....

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

The Oxford/Berkeley study takes all countries into account, not just moderate ones. If you want to include executions, then it's not going to change the findings. The Muslim countries with the highest execution rates are Iran (1.3 per 100,000) and Saudi Arabia (0.6 per 100,000). Even if we assumed a false scenario that every other Muslim country has such high execution rates (in reality, they don't come anywhere close), and added that to the average murder rate for Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), that would give 3 to 3.7 per 100,000, which is still be less than the murder rates for the United States (3.9 per 100,000), Christian countries (11 per 100,000), and non-Muslim countries (7.5 per 100,000).

Yeah, something tells me the most hardcore countries like Iraq, Iran, Somalia and Saudi Arabia do not accurately represent their numbers. They dont take into account all the other killing that goes on in those societies, what happens to minorities within those countries, etc....

I would agree with you on that.

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@ronvalencia: Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not trustworthy. He is against gay marriage and progress. No true LGBT advocate would choose Mike Pence as their vice president and it is absurd to argue this. He is also picking people who are known racists to his cabinet as well as anti-marijuana regardless of what he has tried to con people into believing he feels about these issues. If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred above all others and the rich are given more breaks on the backs of the working class and poor you have no buisiness supporting this charlatan. It's sad actually and I feel bad for those about to be disillusioned who dragged us all down with them with their votes.

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

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The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble? The shit are you talking about? At every turn, for the last 35 years, he has been a living demonstration of what it is like for a rich man to live in his ivory tower, and know nothing about anything outside of what other rich men do, and who pissed him off that moment. What's next, he is not a doughy little bitch, and probably runs marathons in his spare time? Goddamn dude.

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

Please refute my position, please. I am not a progressive. And for you to call anyone who thought Hilary would win fools is laughable. Pollsters typically get the elections right, but the mainstream media and pollsters did not account for many simple things, like people being ashamed of being Trump voters, being silent on it, and voting for him.

Refer to my posted videos.

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Great pick. At least he acknowledges radical Islam, the Salafi movement, and Wahhabism that is spreading its cancer.

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They're afraid of this guy that he will destroy the narrative.

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:

Trump loves/lust after beautiful women i.e. MSM asked his views and he gave it. This is well known.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble and has stated the current situation is OK i.e. not a major issue for Trump.

Mike Pence is the dead man switch. LGBT's issues are distraction to the larger economic issue facing USA.

Your "If you don't embrace an America where white men are preferred" statement is bullshit i.e. Trump has increase votes from non-whites.

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The leftist progressives establishment that focused on minorities and labels the other camp as racist are themselves hypocrites.

The increase in non-white votes has delivered victory for Trump.

You assumed your side has a monopoly with non-whites.

Link

He absolutely - mockingly - rejects the idea that this is a racial line. "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he tells me. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f - ed over. If we deliver - " by "we" he means the Trump White House " - we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote ...

True LGBT advocate would be bias towards one group of people and this is not true neutrality nor the center position.

PS; My personal view is I like women and I have non-inference POV(point of view) with LGBT issues i.e. LGBT can form any relationships(e.g. MM, FF) but such actions shouldn't infer with other person's religious POV. Both camp's POVs should be balanced.

Trump is not isolated in a bubble? The shit are you talking about? At every turn, for the last 35 years, he has been a living demonstration of what it is like for a rich man to live in his ivory tower, and know nothing about anything outside of what other rich men do, and who pissed him off that moment. What's next, he is not a doughy little bitch, and probably runs marathons in his spare time? Goddamn dude.

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

Please refute my position, please. I am not a progressive. And for you to call anyone who thought Hilary would win fools is laughable. Pollsters typically get the elections right, but the mainstream media and pollsters did not account for many simple things, like people being ashamed of being Trump voters, being silent on it, and voting for him.

Refer to my posted videos.

What does your video do to refute my position of Trump being a little bitch, isolated within his tower?

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Just because he is an idiot, does not mean Islam is not a worldwide problem. Any ideology that promotes violence, and does not make itself open to reform and revision is something bad for humanity. And when that refusal to be open is backed by violence on a worldwide scale? sheeeeit.

Muslims are pretty explosive about their religion though.

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@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@hillelslovak said:

Just because he is an idiot, does not mean Islam is not a worldwide problem. Any ideology that promotes violence, and does not make itself open to reform and revision is something bad for humanity. And when that refusal to be open is backed by violence on a worldwide scale? sheeeeit.

Muslims are pretty explosive about their religion though.

and stabbing, and cutting, and shooting, and beheading, etc

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@hillelslovak said:
@THE_DRUGGIE said:
@hillelslovak said:

Just because he is an idiot, does not mean Islam is not a worldwide problem. Any ideology that promotes violence, and does not make itself open to reform and revision is something bad for humanity. And when that refusal to be open is backed by violence on a worldwide scale? sheeeeit.

Muslims are pretty explosive about their religion though.

and stabbing, and cutting, and shooting, and beheading, etc

Eyup.

Christians are a little preachy, Jews are a little greedy.

How do people not get this?

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Until Islam has a reformation and the moderates and liberals truly separate themselves from the theocrats and extremists (which isn't currently happening), being anti-muslim is going to be very common. Nothing you can do about that. It's just the generalizing of a genuine problem. Basic survival instinct. No different than a woman walking down a dark street who worries about seeing a young man more than she worries about seeing an old woman. It's an unfair generalisation for innocent individuals but a completely rational defense mechanism when you're protecting your own safety. If you're a woman walking down a dark street, it IS rational to avoid young men more than old women. And if you're a country worrying about national defense and protecting western culture from intolerant theocracy, it IS rational to worry about muslims more than buddhists. That's just the statistical reality of those situations. You can accept that it's ugly but necessary and try and find solutions or you can stick your head in the sand and just call everyone racist.

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@garywood69 said:

That's just the statistical reality of those situations.

The statistical reality:

@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
  • Mormon-Americans 64%
  • Christian-Americans 58%
  • Jewish-Americans 52%
  • Israeli Jews 52%
  • Palestinians* 51%
  • No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
  • Nigerians* 43%
  • Lebanese* 38%
  • Spanish Muslims 31%
  • Muslim-Americans 21%
  • German Muslims 17%
  • French Muslims 16%
  • British Muslims 16%
  • Egyptians* 15%
  • Indonesians* 13%
  • Jordanians* 12%
  • Pakistanis* 5%
  • Turks* 4%

The numbers above for Muslim nations are in "defense of Islam". If that isn't a factor, then their numbers would be even lower, which would only make Americans look even more violent in comparison.

Still calling bullshit on that, and it should be glaring as to why. They conveniently list the least hardcore Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey and Jordan. Give me a break. Bring forth a study that leaves out every single Muslim extremist led country on the planet, and behave as if this study accords with the reality of the situation. smh. Look at Palestine, where Hamas rampages, and you have over half of the people supporting the killing of non combatants. Call me crazy, but I am going to guess that if you poll in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc etc etc, Every country on that list would lose their spots over and over again.

Annual murder rates:

  • Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
  • United States - 3.9 per 100,000
  • Non-Muslim countries - 7.5 per 100,000
  • Christian countries - 11 per 100,000

The statistical facts speak for themselves.

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@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
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@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:

Here is a fact: People beheaded in the west for misdemeanors: 0. People beheaded in the Muslim world for misdemeanors, uncountable.

Yeah, they really do. And you might want to abandon the sophistry, and actually look at those studies. Do these murder statistics count honor killings, killings of gays, pogroms and massacres like in India on non Muslims, militias destroying rival religious group's towns and villages?

Weird how it turns out when you actually include the myriad ways Islamic countries murder their own, and other people, it is not even close. It also should not go over anyone's head, the fact that it should be pretty easy to stop crime in a country where despots rule, and people are murdered off the books, and tortured into compliance. And as it turns out, Muslim despotic regimes do not tend to work with polling bodies. These countries wont allow the sinful smallpox vaccine, a plot by the west, and you think they will tell western infidels how much they murder their own people? What's next, Chicago is a worse place to live than Kabul or Baghdad?!

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

The Oxford/Berkeley study takes all countries into account, not just moderate ones. If you want to include executions, then it's not going to change the findings. The Muslim countries with the highest execution rates are Iran (1.3 per 100,000) and Saudi Arabia (0.6 per 100,000). Even if we assumed a false scenario that every other Muslim country has such high execution rates (in reality, they don't come anywhere close), and added that to the average murder rate for Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), that would give 3 to 3.7 per 100,000, which is still be less than the murder rates for the United States (3.9 per 100,000), Christian countries (11 per 100,000), and non-Muslim countries (7.5 per 100,000).

Yeah, something tells me the most hardcore countries like Iraq, Iran, Somalia and Saudi Arabia do not accurately represent their numbers. They dont take into account all the other killing that goes on in those societies, what happens to minorities within those countries, etc....

As a person who lives in Iran, i can confirm that, one simply can not believe anything such governments provide as "facts"

They manipulate and hell even hide some statistics. It's one shitty shady screwed up country we live in.

@Maroxad What you said about Iran, is true, i am skeptical of the future as majority of ppl are still ignorant around here and the government keeps suppressing, but i do hope one day we get rid of this nasty dictatorship.

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@mjorh said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Jag85 said:

According to a scientific study published by Oxford University and UC-Berkeley:

"Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."

Still cannot remedy the fact that they merely polled mostly more moderate Muslim countries. Also, the range of what that statistic considered murder, is an extremely narrow point of info.

The Oxford/Berkeley study takes all countries into account, not just moderate ones. If you want to include executions, then it's not going to change the findings. The Muslim countries with the highest execution rates are Iran (1.3 per 100,000) and Saudi Arabia (0.6 per 100,000). Even if we assumed a false scenario that every other Muslim country has such high execution rates (in reality, they don't come anywhere close), and added that to the average murder rate for Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), that would give 3 to 3.7 per 100,000, which is still be less than the murder rates for the United States (3.9 per 100,000), Christian countries (11 per 100,000), and non-Muslim countries (7.5 per 100,000).

Yeah, something tells me the most hardcore countries like Iraq, Iran, Somalia and Saudi Arabia do not accurately represent their numbers. They dont take into account all the other killing that goes on in those societies, what happens to minorities within those countries, etc....

As a person who lives in Iran, i can confirm that, one simply can not believe anything such governments provide as "facts"

They manipulate and hell even hide some statistics. It's one shitty shady screwed up country we live in.

@Maroxad What you said about Iran, is true, i am skeptical of the future as majority of ppl are still ignorant around here and the government keeps suppressing, but i do hope one day we get rid of this nasty dictatorship.

Yeah, you have corrupt regimes, and it is easy to see why they might not report murders and killings accurately. Then there are majority Muslim countries where they kill homosexuals, women who dont conform, and to undo the crime of a family member. I highly doubt these are all reported. Then there is the simple fact of infrastructure. Countries like Afghanistan have so many villages that do not really have much contact with the outside world. Lets say there is a Sunni village, Shias move in (or vice versa) and kill all the Sunnis. What are the chances these people's deaths are reported, logged, and put into real worldwide databases for such info? I doubt much of that happens. Look at Iraq, the casualty numbers from the second Gulf War range from 100,000 to nearly 1.5 million. And that is in Iraq, which was not extremely retrograde compared to many other majority Muslim countries.

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I see nothing wrong with condemning a religion (or all religions for that matter), though discriminating muslims? thats a bit looney for me, then again I don't know anything about this guy besides what OP is saying, so i don't have solid stance on the matter.

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What is wrong with being anti-Muslim?

Muslims are:

  • Anti-gay
  • Anti-atheist
  • Anti-Jew
  • Anti-apostate
  • Anti-dog
  • Anti-pork

And they show it through the laws of their countries. Not exactly a tolerant people, yet they also believe in "An Eye For An Eye". Well, they can have it.

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@Hexagon_777 said:

What is wrong with being anti-Muslim?

Muslims are:

  • Anti-gay
  • Anti-atheist
  • Anti-Jew
  • Anti-apostate
  • Anti-dog
  • Anti-pork

And they show it through the laws of their countries. Not exactly a tolerant people, yet they also believe in "An Eye For An Eye". Well, they can have it.

Current Islam lacks reformation.

In the west, reformation was important for secularism and reducing soft power links with the Vatican.

For the most cases, Islam ideology still has political/soft power links with Saudi Arabia.

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

Please refute my position, please. I am not a progressive. And for you to call anyone who thought Hilary would win fools is laughable. Pollsters typically get the elections right, but the mainstream media and pollsters did not account for many simple things, like people being ashamed of being Trump voters, being silent on it, and voting for him.

Refer to my posted videos.

What does your video do to refute my position of Trump being a little bitch, isolated within his tower?

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:

The only shit is your post. Progressive establishment are the group in the bubble e.g. the fools think they have a landslide victory against Trump.

Please refute my position, please. I am not a progressive. And for you to call anyone who thought Hilary would win fools is laughable. Pollsters typically get the elections right, but the mainstream media and pollsters did not account for many simple things, like people being ashamed of being Trump voters, being silent on it, and voting for him.

Refer to my posted videos.

What does your video do to refute my position of Trump being a little bitch, isolated within his tower?

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How does that video at all address Trump's personality being that of a 13 year old valley girl? It should also be noted that I take nothing of what Joe Scarborough says on anything. I do not listen to clearly biased people when they pretend to speak in objective fashion. Scarborough sucked Trump's cock nub for over a year, only milk toast repudiating him when it looked as if Hilary would win easily, with Trump having no chance.

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@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:

Refer to my posted videos.

What does your video do to refute my position of Trump being a little bitch, isolated within his tower?

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How does that video at all address Trump's personality being that of a 13 year old valley girl?

Unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

It should also be noted that I take nothing of what Joe Scarborough says on anything. I do not listen to clearly biased people when they pretend to speak in objective fashion. Scarborough sucked Trump's cock nub for over a year, only milk toast repudiating him when it looked as if Hilary would win easily, with Trump having no chance.

Personality based attacks are not valid arguments. You haven't addressed Joe Scarborough's arguments.

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:

Refer to my posted videos.

What does your video do to refute my position of Trump being a little bitch, isolated within his tower?

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How does that video at all address Trump's personality being that of a 13 year old valley girl?

Unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

It should also be noted that I take nothing of what Joe Scarborough says on anything. I do not listen to clearly biased people when they pretend to speak in objective fashion. Scarborough sucked Trump's cock nub for over a year, only milk toast repudiating him when it looked as if Hilary would win easily, with Trump having no chance.

Personality based attacks are not valid arguments. You haven't addressed Joe Scarborough's arguments.

Yes, personality is a point of argument. This person is supposed to be the highest diplomat on the planet, and diplomacy is intertwined with decorum and manners, which he has none, despite being raised within high society. I do not need to address Joe Scarborough's arguments because his arguments have nothing to do with my issue with Donald Trump. For the second time, I dont give a shit about anything Scarborough says, seeing as he is nothing but a whore for Donald Trump and a kiss ass supremo.

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@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.

There have been more drone strikes under Obama. He's sanctioned the assasination of US citizens without the trial. That's not anti-bombing. Hillary was incredibly hawkish and pushed for regime change in both Syria and Libya. If you're anti war, that should send chills down your back. I'd prefer less of that kind of policy.

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@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
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How does that video at all address Trump's personality being that of a 13 year old valley girl?

Unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

It should also be noted that I take nothing of what Joe Scarborough says on anything. I do not listen to clearly biased people when they pretend to speak in objective fashion. Scarborough sucked Trump's cock nub for over a year, only milk toast repudiating him when it looked as if Hilary would win easily, with Trump having no chance.

Personality based attacks are not valid arguments. You haven't addressed Joe Scarborough's arguments.

Yes, personality is a point of argument. This person is supposed to be the highest diplomat on the planet, and diplomacy is intertwined with decorum and manners, which he has none, despite being raised within high society.

MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result. Trump's voters doesn't care about "diplomacy is intertwined with decorum and manners".

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Stop being a doormat e.g. Chinese diplomat doesn't take shit questions.

@hillelslovak said:

I do not need to address Joe Scarborough's arguments because his arguments have nothing to do with my issue with Donald Trump. For the second time, I dont give a shit about anything Scarborough says, seeing as he is nothing but a whore for Donald Trump and a kiss ass supremo.

My argument is, unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

For the second time, I dont give a shit about anything Scarborough says, seeing as he is nothing but a whore for Donald Trump and a kiss ass supremo.

For the first time, I don't give a shit about anything YOU say. happy?

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@sonicare said:
@iandizion713 said:

@ronvalencia: Progressives are anti bombing. They have been anti war since they started. They preach love, not war.

There have been more drone strikes under Obama. He's sanctioned the assasination of US citizens without the trial. That's not anti-bombing. Hillary was incredibly hawkish and pushed for regime change in both Syria and Libya. If you're anti war, that should send chills down your back. I'd prefer less of that kind of policy.

Regime change's Syria and Libya are extreme implementation for forcing progressive's values/ideology on other countries.

Global progressive establishment also supports refugee intake from the mess they created which creates additional mess.

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@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
@hillelslovak said:
@ronvalencia said:
Loading Video...

How does that video at all address Trump's personality being that of a 13 year old valley girl?

Unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

It should also be noted that I take nothing of what Joe Scarborough says on anything. I do not listen to clearly biased people when they pretend to speak in objective fashion. Scarborough sucked Trump's cock nub for over a year, only milk toast repudiating him when it looked as if Hilary would win easily, with Trump having no chance.

Personality based attacks are not valid arguments. You haven't addressed Joe Scarborough's arguments.

Yes, personality is a point of argument. This person is supposed to be the highest diplomat on the planet, and diplomacy is intertwined with decorum and manners, which he has none, despite being raised within high society.

MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result. Trump's voters doesn't care about "diplomacy is intertwined with decorum and manners".

Counter examples

Loading Video...

Stop being a doormat e.g. Chinese diplomat doesn't take shit questions.

@hillelslovak said:

I do not need to address Joe Scarborough's arguments because his arguments have nothing to do with my issue with Donald Trump. For the second time, I dont give a shit about anything Scarborough says, seeing as he is nothing but a whore for Donald Trump and a kiss ass supremo.

My argument is, unlike Trump, MSM and progressive establishment was in a bubble hence they were surprise with the election result.

@hillelslovak said:

For the second time, I dont give a shit about anything Scarborough says, seeing as he is nothing but a whore for Donald Trump and a kiss ass supremo.

For the first time, I don't give a shit about anything YOU say. happy?

It does not matter if voters care about decorum, it's what the diplomats, ie the people who actually govern, utilize. I dont see how you do not get that, and it's consequences. And please stop projecting pointless dualisms. It is quite possible for the mainstream media AND Trump to be in a bubble. It is not a mutual exclusive.

If you had bothered to attempt to comprehend my original post, maybe you would finally get it. My point, which you incorrectly retorted, was that Trump is a thin skinned little bitch who does not know anything about anything. At no point did I hop to the conclusion that the mainstream media is anything but a farce. You projected that onto me, whilst completely ignoring my actual point.

And to your last sentence. You could edify yourself by refusing to stoop to the level of the playground........

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@effec_tor said:

Great pick.

My thoughts exactly.