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All these people have to worry about is putting food on the table err floor, which means walking in their backyard and retrieving it. No worries of working a low paid job, stressing on how you're going to make your mortgage payment, cell phone bills, insurance, repairing broken down technology, and a host of other stresses that comes with technology along with the responsibilities of being a citizen. Yes alot of things are automated and easier to do, but I don't believe that's what constitutes a "simple" life. Yes, if they want to communicate with others, they may have to make ink and "paper" from scratch, but the difference is, they don't have to communicate or do anything they don't want to do, where as we in the modern world do. To me Life is MUCH More complicated today, than it was even a hundred years ago. (obviously)

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That is an extreme simplification of their lives. Feeding themselves is not their only concern. They have many, only most of them are concerned with survival. The absense of food is not the only thing that can threaten life and survival. Having said that, the more primitive your culture is, the more difficult a proposition feeding yourself becomes. Hunter/gathering relies entirely on the proposition that edible food is going to be available somewhere without your human intervention before such harvesting. When that doesn't work out, where does one go?

It's easy to mythologize primitive cultures as simpler and happier. I remember doing it myself for years. Ever since I was a kid and saw "The Gods Must Be Crazy", mesmerized by that opening sequence describing how a society without money, only basic technology, and complete ignorance of the outside world had eclipsed the technological marvels only a few hundred miles away. Then I saw a documentary made shortly after the film was made of what life was really like for the family of the individual who starred in that film. Like me, the documentarian was enamored with the ideas of the film and went out to document them outside of a script. What he found disheartened him. The actor and his family were living in extreme poverty in the Calahari. His wife was close to death from starvation, and he hadn't been able to feed his children in days. The actor put it bluntly that what he had done in the fiml was just what he was told to say, and that nothing of it reflected their lives in the Calahari. It was equally heartbreaking for me to watch it, not just because I hated seeing that level of suffering but because I hated that this fantasy of mine was indeed a fantasy. Thanks to those efforts, some legal avenues were opened so that the actor could get some profits from the film he starred in, and even make more as time went on. His family life improved as a result.

This love of primitivism is a Hollywood fantasy in almost every sense of the word. We have more complexity, but I would not argue that we have more stress, if anything we have much less. And moves back to primitive ideology only increase the stress levels on more fundamental life processes, taking our focus away from intellectual endeavors, forcing us to settle for mythology instead. Yes, we have more complexity, but attached to every one of those bills you touted is something we have come to rely on not because we can't possibly SURVIVE any other way, but because we wouldn't want to LIVE any other way.

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

All these people have to worry about is putting food on the table err floor, which means walking in their backyard and retrieving it. No worries of working a low paid job, stressing on how you're going to make your mortgage payment, cell phone bills, insurance, repairing broken down technology, and a host of other stresses that comes with technology along with the responsibilities of being a citizen. Yes alot of things are automated and easier to do, but I don't believe that's what constitutes a "simple" life. Yes, if they want to communicate with others, they may have to make ink and "paper" from scratch, but the difference is, they don't have to communicate or do anything they don't want to do, where as we in the modern world do. To me Life is MUCH More complicated today, than it was even a hundred years ago. (obviously)

m0zart

That is an extreme simplification of their lives. Feeding themselves is not their only concern. They have many, only most of them are concerned with survival. The absense of food is not the only thing that can threaten life and survival. Having said that, the more primitive your culture is, the more difficult a proposition feeding yourself becomes. Hunter/gathering relies entirely on the proposition that edible food is going to be available somewhere without your human intervention before such harvesting. When that doesn't work out, where does one go?

It's easy to mythologize primitive cultures as simpler and happier. I remember doing it myself for years. Ever since I was a kid and saw "The Gods Must Be Crazy", mesmerized by that opening sequence describing how a society without money, only basic technology, and complete ignorance of the outside world had eclipsed the technological marvels only a few hundred miles away. Then I saw a documentary made shortly after the film was made of what life was really like for the family of the individual who starred in that film. Like me, the documentarian was enamored with the ideas of the film and went out to document them outside of a script. What he found disheartened him. The actor and his family were living in extreme poverty in the Calahari. His wife was close to death from starvation, and he hadn't been able to feed his children in days. The actor put it bluntly that what he had done in the fiml was just what he was told to say, and that nothing of it reflected their lives in the Calahari. It was equally heartbreaking for me to watch it, not just because I hated seeing that level of suffering but because I hated that this fantasy of mine was indeed a fantasy. Thanks to those efforts, some legal avenues were opened so that the actor could get some profits from the film he starred in, and even make more as time went on. His family life improved as a result.

This love of primitivism is a Hollywood fantasy in almost every sense of the word. We have more complexity, but I would not argue that we have more stress, if anything we have much less. And moves back to primitive ideology only increase the stress levels on more fundamental life processes, taking our focus away from intellectual endeavors, forcing us to settle for mythology instead. Yes, we have more complexity, but attached to every one of those bills you touted is something we have come to rely on not because we can't possibly SURVIVE any other way, but because we wouldn't want to LIVE any other way.

Well, this tribe may be an extreme example of what I was getting at. The amish may be a better example of the simple life.

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quick people! Send in the missionaries! Rob them of their wealth! Give them Flu! Exterminate them!

no srsly, just leave them the heck alone

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#54 LJS9502_basic
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Too late now. They won't remain isolated.
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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

All these people have to worry about is putting food on the table err floor, which means walking in their backyard and retrieving it. No worries of working a low paid job, stressing on how you're going to make your mortgage payment, cell phone bills, insurance, repairing broken down technology, and a host of other stresses that comes with technology along with the responsibilities of being a citizen. Yes alot of things are automated and easier to do, but I don't believe that's what constitutes a "simple" life. Yes, if they want to communicate with others, they may have to make ink and "paper" from scratch, but the difference is, they don't have to communicate or do anything they don't want to do, where as we in the modern world do. To me Life is MUCH More complicated today, than it was even a hundred years ago. (obviously)

m0zart

That is an extreme simplification of their lives. Feeding themselves is not their only concern. They have many, only most of them are concerned with survival. The absense of food is not the only thing that can threaten life and survival. Having said that, the more primitive your culture is, the more difficult a proposition feeding yourself becomes. Hunter/gathering relies entirely on the proposition that edible food is going to be available somewhere without your human intervention before such harvesting. When that doesn't work out, where does one go?

It's easy to mythologize primitive cultures as simpler and happier. I remember doing it myself for years. Ever since I was a kid and saw "The Gods Must Be Crazy", mesmerized by that opening sequence describing how a society without money, only basic technology, and complete ignorance of the outside world had eclipsed the technological marvels only a few hundred miles away. Then I saw a documentary made shortly after the film was made of what life was really like for the family of the individual who starred in that film. Like me, the documentarian was enamored with the ideas of the film and went out to document them outside of a script. What he found disheartened him. The actor and his family were living in extreme poverty in the Calahari. His wife was close to death from starvation, and he hadn't been able to feed his children in days. The actor put it bluntly that what he had done in the fiml was just what he was told to say, and that nothing of it reflected their lives in the Calahari. It was equally heartbreaking for me to watch it, not just because I hated seeing that level of suffering but because I hated that this fantasy of mine was indeed a fantasy. Thanks to those efforts, some legal avenues were opened so that the actor could get some profits from the film he starred in, and even make more as time went on. His family life improved as a result.

This love of primitivism is a Hollywood fantasy in almost every sense of the word. We have more complexity, but I would not argue that we have more stress, if anything we have much less. And moves back to primitive ideology only increase the stress levels on more fundamental life processes, taking our focus away from intellectual endeavors, forcing us to settle for mythology instead. Yes, we have more complexity, but attached to every one of those bills you touted is something we have come to rely on not because we can't possibly SURVIVE any other way, but because we wouldn't want to LIVE any other way.

It depends on where you live. The amazon is a place with lots of available resources so finding food and shelter wouldn't be that difficult. Anthropological studies calculate that hunter and gatherers spend an average of around 20 and 30 hours a week 'working' that is finding food building shelters, etc. If you are familiar with the Dunbar number then it says that our cognitive capacities are efficient to maintain significant relationships with around 150 people, more than that is very difficult or not possible for some. That's because we evolved in small, communities so that's how we role best. There has been studies in Japan on how stress increases proportionally to the amount of strange faces we see on our way to work. We didn't evolve seeing strange faces either. Jared Diamond spent years living with and studying hunter gatherer societies. In his book Guns, Germs and Steel he says how he considerers the average person in one tribe in Nepal to be more intelligent than the average british. That's because he says that the knowledge these people manage to gather from their surroundings and the environment they live in is so good than it rivals even experts in western societies. They are more capable of handling social situations (which was the main pressure for the evolution of our brain not technology) in a better way than most people who is used to interacting socially in a superficial way with strange people in modern society too. The levels of stress and mental issues are much lower also. Likewise Diamond describes tribes that had it difficult depending on the place they lived, sometimes getting resources was not easy so, indeed, life was not very good. But that's why many of these tribes were nomads. They'll move from place to place to look for more apt environments, come managed some don't of course. They can't do that now since everything is limited by the modern world but many do live in good enough places for them to live a better life than what the modern world can offer IMO. I think the Amazon is a good enough place, they don't need modern technology to live a good life there. On the book Besides who are we to say they need the modern world? look what the modern world did in Africa for example. There are groups that have voluntarily shut themselves off from the modern world exactly because they think it sucks and I think they should be left alone. In many cases their culture is so different that a natural, haelthy transition into the modern world is practically impossible. Some of these tribes perception of time is completely different from ours, having no clocks "their" time is completely emboddied. Their language is also completely different, soma anthropologists have described tribes that have a percpetion of space better than any modern persona and that's because their language allows them too. They don't see the world as left, right, forward or back, they see it north, south, east and west so their ability to position themselves and not getting lost ever is almost perfect. If you bring them to the modern world they'll probably lose their language like it has happened to many others and things like this will dissapear. Let them believe in the forces of nature and animistic gods, at least that makes them respect nature the religions we have now are no better, in fact I think they are far worse.
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I say leave them. The modern world might be too much for them to handle.
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I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like that?

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Leave them alone in my opinion. Modern Man has poisoned civilization enough already.

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I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like there? HybridPhoenix
Why would that be illegal?
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#61 TehFuneral
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Introduce the internet to those people ...

We'd love to have them in OT.

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[QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like that? LJS9502_basic
Why would that be illegal?

I know there are Islands around Australia (I think) that have uncontacted tribes and it's illegal to get into contact with them. Planes can't fly within a certain range of them, if a ship has an emergency and docks at one they'd be heavily fined. I thought it had something to do with cultural preservation, and that most of them would probably lash out against technology because they'd essentially be forced to progress over a hundred years passed their current understanding of the world.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like that? HybridPhoenix
Why would that be illegal?

I know there are Islands around Australia (I think) that have uncontacted tribes and it's illegal to get into contact with them. Planes can't fly within a certain range of them, if a ship has an emergency and docks at one they'd be heavily fined. I thought it had something to do with cultural preservation, and that most of them would probably lash out against technology because they'd essentially be forced to progress over a hundred years passed their current understanding of the world.

Yeah that's basically it. We already know how much damage it causes to these cultures a contact with the modern world. They quickly become "contaminated", lose their traditions, language, etc and most don't even make a good transition living in extreme poverty and killing them with diseases they aren't immune to.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like that? HybridPhoenix
Why would that be illegal?

I know there are Islands around Australia (I think) that have uncontacted tribes and it's illegal to get into contact with them. Planes can't fly within a certain range of them, if a ship has an emergency and docks at one they'd be heavily fined. I thought it had something to do with cultural preservation, and that most of them would probably lash out against technology because they'd essentially be forced to progress over a hundred years passed their current understanding of the world.

I don't know about Australia, but there is an island near India in the Bay of Bengali called North Sentinel Island in which this is the case. Even if it weren't illegal though, you'd be crazy to go there. They've murdered every visitor for the last 150 years. Many times people accidentally drift there in their fishing boats, only to be savagely killed.

Interesting fact, North Sentinelese is considered the hardest language to learn for reasons that have nothing to do with the difficulty of the language structure. Nobody has successfully visited the island in more than a century, and so there is no real outside knowledge of the language.

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Think about how happy those people living a life of bliss without the worlds problem. Where your only concern is you and your family.

I would love to live like this with today's tech, but it's impossible.

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I think that there would be no point to introduce them to the 'Modern' World because imagine if we went back to 1500 and gave someone a computer? Witchcraft!
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Just let them be, they survived this long without anyone annoying them why would we have to bring them to modern societies?

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Leave them alone, there's nothing we can do except bring ruin to these people.

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My first thought: Cannibal Holocaust. :oHexagon_777

mine as well

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Now imagine the people in the plane are the aliens. and earth is the tribe. dun dun DUNNN

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I say we bring them to New York, "accidentally" let them loose, and film their WACKY adventure. Then release it on movie screens and make $$$
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I thought it was illegal to interfere with groups like there? HybridPhoenix
prime directive.
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I say we bring them to New York, "accidentally" let them loose, and film their WACKY adventure. Then release it on movie screens and make $$$majoras_wrath

"The Gods Must Be Yankees"

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Well they're going to become part of our world pretty soon anyway because of the logging companies. May as well go in and introduce ourselves and explain the situation to the XDIantheone
The Brazilian government tends to do a pretty good job protecting the tribes in the amazon.

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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Bring people the modern world in these instances is usually not a good thing, there is no reason at all (apart from religious) to interfere with these people.

tenaka2

You had to bring religion in to it, didn't ya?

Well you know what the missionary position would be on this issue.

Sharing religion with a group of people does not have to mean forcing your culture upon them. That's just tragically how it has happened many times in the past.
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Day 1

day1

28 days later...

28

This is why we should leave them alone.

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Interesting stuff. I wonder what they thought of the plane?

Also, they should probably be left alone

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I'd like to join them....TOPLESS TRIBE WOMEN :D
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Leave them alone. I find it awesome that these groups still exist.

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#80 branketra
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Bring these people to the modern world or let them live in ignorance of the outside world? What do you guys think?

m25105

I'd like to say it's up to them, but that's not entirely the case. In this day and age, it's only a matter of time before the amount of outsiders encroaching on their territory increases. One way to help them stay as they want to would be to get the U.N. to recognize them.

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People seem to imagine that bringing these people into the modern world involves health centers and time square.

The reality is brazilian slums and death squads.

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Itresting. I always find it cool when this happens.

As fars as contacting them goes, I'm unsure about that. But I want to say to those that think there happier than us, do you really think thats true? There deffinetly not More happier than us, maybe just as happy, but probaly less.

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#83 tenaka2
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Itresting. I always find it cool when this happens.

As fars as contacting them goes, I'm unsure about that. But I want to say to those that think there happier than us, do you really think thats true? There deffinetly not More happier than us, maybe just as happy, but probaly less.

Fundai

Why would they be less happy? They would be perfectly content, people like this live at one with nature, everything makes sense and everything has a reason, they live in harmony with the world around them, why would they not be happy, they are part of an ecological niche, they have history and a language and stories.

The alternative for these people is a brazilian slum.

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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Itresting. I always find it cool when this happens.

As fars as contacting them goes, I'm unsure about that. But I want to say to those that think there happier than us, do you really think thats true? There deffinetly not More happier than us, maybe just as happy, but probaly less.

tenaka2

Why would they be less happy? They would be perfectly content, people like this live at one with nature, everything makes sense and everything has a reason, they live in harmony with the world around them, why would they not be happy, they are part of an ecological niche, they have history and a language and stories.

The alternative for these people is a brazilian slum.

Read State of Fear By Michal Chrichton, not only does it explain the truth behind the theory of global warming, it also explains how we use this "Its better to live with nature" crap to keep the less developed from becoming develope and to keep the status quoe the same... Do you really think if you offered these people the chance to have cell phones, cars, lights, that they would not take it once they understood them? Yes, maybe they'd be happier there than in a slum, but there probaly not happier than us living in the cities of North America.

But Once again, Iam not sure wether or not we should contact them. The pure shock alone might ruin them, so probaly not.

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We should sneak into their village each night and leave random objects there with no explanation. One night a toaster. One night a rubik's cube. One night a blender......................

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#86 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Fundai"] Actually

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Itresting. I always find it cool when this happens.

As fars as contacting them goes, I'm unsure about that. But I want to say to those that think there happier than us, do you really think thats true? There deffinetly not More happier than us, maybe just as happy, but probaly less.

Fundai

Why would they be less happy? They would be perfectly content, people like this live at one with nature, everything makes sense and everything has a reason, they live in harmony with the world around them, why would they not be happy, they are part of an ecological niche, they have history and a language and stories.

The alternative for these people is a brazilian slum.

Read State of Fear By Michal Chrichton, not only does it explain the truth behind the theory of global warming, it also explains how we use this "Its better to live with nature" crap to keep the less developed from becoming develope and to keep the status quoe the same... Do you really think if you offered these people the chance to have cell phones, cars, lights, that they would not take it once they understood them? Yes, maybe they'd be happier there than in a slum, but there not happier than us living in the cities of North America.

How do you know that? I think many people would be happier living like that. Read Diamon's Guns Germs and Steel. Many of this people live perfectly happy and fullfilling lifes in this environments and they wouldn't change that for any cellphone, car or 9 to 5 cubicle job in the world.
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We should sneak into their village each night and leave random objects there with no explanation. One night a toaster. One night a rubik's cube. One night a blender......................

YellowOneKinobi

:lol:

They would get so freaked out

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#88 comp_atkins
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We should sneak into their village each night and leave random objects there with no explanation. One night a toaster. One night a rubik's cube. One night a blender......................

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come back 20 days later to find a fully functional automobile.... :shock:
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#89 Fundai
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[QUOTE="Fundai"] Actually [QUOTE="Fundai"]

Why would they be less happy? They would be perfectly content, people like this live at one with nature, everything makes sense and everything has a reason, they live in harmony with the world around them, why would they not be happy, they are part of an ecological niche, they have history and a language and stories.

The alternative for these people is a brazilian slum.

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Read State of Fear By Michal Chrichton, not only does it explain the truth behind the theory of global warming, it also explains how we use this "Its better to live with nature" crap to keep the less developed from becoming develope and to keep the status quoe the same... Do you really think if you offered these people the chance to have cell phones, cars, lights, that they would not take it once they understood them? Yes, maybe they'd be happier there than in a slum, but there not happier than us living in the cities of North America.

How do you know that? I think many people would be happier living like that. Read Diamon's Guns Germs and Steel. Many of this people live perfectly happy and fullfilling lifes in this environments and they wouldn't change that for any cellphone, car or 9 to 5 cubicle job in the world.

But if you honestly think that why arn't you going out to join them? Forming your own tribe, living of the land?

See, I have lots a respect for the "Hippy" "Earthy" people who actually go and live of the land and actually are happier... But people who go to work in an offfice everyday, texting on their cellphone the entire commute there, and say it's better to live with nature annoy me, because they don't actually belive that. They'd just like to think that.

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#90 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why would they be less happy? They would be perfectly content, people like this live at one with nature, everything makes sense and everything has a reason, they live in harmony with the world around them, why would they not be happy, they are part of an ecological niche, they have history and a language and stories.

The alternative for these people is a brazilian slum.

Fundai

Read State of Fear By Michal Chrichton, not only does it explain the truth behind the theory of global warming, it also explains how we use this "Its better to live with nature" crap to keep the less developed from becoming develope and to keep the status quoe the same... Do you really think if you offered these people the chance to have cell phones, cars, lights, that they would not take it once they understood them? Yes, maybe they'd be happier there than in a slum, but there probaly not happier than us living in the cities of North America.

But Once again, Iam not sure wether or not we should contact them. The pure shock alone might ruin them, so probaly not.

Your do not understanding what I am talking about. 3rd/4th world suppression does not enter into this. This is not about letting people know what is available and denying them that, this is about leaving people alone and not letting them know. Its not about status quo.

They dont need cell phones because they can talk to each other, they dont need cars because there are no roads they dont need lights because they have fire and sleep at night.

These people won't get cell phones, cars and lights these people if introduced will have this

slum

What skills will these people have? hunter gatherers are not on the top hire list.

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#91 majoras_wrath
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]I say we bring them to New York, "accidentally" let them loose, and film their WACKY adventure. Then release it on movie screens and make $$$m0zart

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#92 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

Read State of Fear By Michal Chrichton, not only does it explain the truth behind the theory of global warming, it also explains how we use this "Its better to live with nature" crap to keep the less developed from becoming develope and to keep the status quoe the same... Do you really think if you offered these people the chance to have cell phones, cars, lights, that they would not take it once they understood them? Yes, maybe they'd be happier there than in a slum, but there not happier than us living in the cities of North America.

Fundai

How do you know that? I think many people would be happier living like that. Read Diamon's Guns Germs and Steel. Many of this people live perfectly happy and fullfilling lifes in this environments and they wouldn't change that for any cellphone, car or 9 to 5 cubicle job in the world.

But if you honestly think that why arn't you going out to join them? Forming your own tribe, living of the land?

See, I have lots a respect for the "Hippy" "Earthy" people who actually go and live of the land and actually are happier... But people who go to work in an offfice everyday, texting on their cellphone the entire commute there, and say it's better to live with nature annoy me, because they don't actually belive that. They'd just like to think that.

Because for me to actually live like them I would have had to be born like them. I wouldn't survive in their society and they probably wouldn't accept me. I'm already spoiled, a transition to a lifestyle like that is not simple (have you seen the movie The Beach? or what happened in Joneston Guyana with The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project? well something like that would probably happen). I know many of them live happy lifes because I have read and tried to inform myself about them and their lifestyle seems much better than many of the options we have here. I'm actually planning with some friends to make a kind of commune to live, that doesn't mean we will renounce all technology or be completely isolated or anything like that but we want to make ourselves as self-suficient as we can within this system. We realize we are already born here so a complete separation is impossible. A violent and sudden transition either way from them to us or from us to them wouldn't work very well
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#93 LightR
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I say let a group of outsiders walk in there and sneeze all over 'em. We'll test the immune systems of those buggers. HoolaHoopMan
I'd find it amusing if it worked in reverse and modern society gets ravaged. :P
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#95 Rattlesnake_8
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I wonder what they are thinking when they see planes flying over head.