'Under God' should be in the pledge twice.

[QUOTE="LS07"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]One is already unconstitutional.CptJSparrow

I have to disagree with both of you anamosa this was not meant to be a nation that serves God we have a speration of church and state and CptJSparrow it is not unconstitutional because it is not required, I believe they made those 2 words optional and you can just pause there if you want, correct me if I'm wrong here

To muthsera666, Of course were entitled to our opinions but I dont think we should abandon the very principles that helped found this nation. And if One nation under Allah orany other godwas used in the pledge, I would not say it. We live in a free nation and you dont have to say god.Besides, 80 percent of Americans believe in god.GamingBoy2009

What the majority believe is irrelevant to the governing of a nation. Times change and Christianity is not as pervasive as it used to be, thankfully. It should not be used to indoctrinate children. They get enough of that from their parents forcing them to church, that they should be able to go to a secular school and learn the scientific theories, while recognizing them as theoriesinstead of being taught to except the religious theories as factual events.

And why wouldn't you use Allah or another term for God (god is so generic...)?

[QUOTE="muthsera666"]

1) I don't now, but all through elementary, middle, and high school, we didn't have a choice. We had to say the pledge in its entirety.

LS07

well I'm not sure when the ruling was, but if they try to make you now, sue there asses off and split the cash with me I'm broke

That doesn't really help me in college though... :)

1) In my high school, we had to say the pledge. So yes, I was forced.

2) I know tht God, Allah, and Yaweh are the same God, but they have different connotations and are therefore nto accepted by all of the members of the different faiths. I know some people who get angry when they hear the name Allah instead of God...

muthsera666

2) Allah and Yahweh are just the Arabic and Hebrew names for God respectively. If a Christian was speaking Arabic, they'll say "Allah" and a Muslim speaking Hebrew would say "Yahweh". No one should get pissed off by this.

[QUOTE="muthsera666"]

1) In my high school, we had to say the pledge. So yes, I was forced.

2) I know tht God, Allah, and Yaweh are the same God, but they have different connotations and are therefore nto accepted by all of the members of the different faiths. I know some people who get angry when they hear the name Allah instead of God...

Ezgam3r

2) Allah and Yahweh are just the Arabic and Hebrew names for God respectively. If a Christian was speaking Arabic, they'll say "Allah" and a Muslim speaking Hebrew would say "Yahweh". No one should get pissed off by this.

1) Public.

2) I know this. You know this. Many people know this. It doesn't change the fact that some people still do not like to hear their god called by a different name, especially by the name that the "other" uses.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]

1) In my high school, we had to say the pledge. So yes, I was forced.

2) I know tht God, Allah, and Yaweh are the same God, but they have different connotations and are therefore nto accepted by all of the members of the different faiths. I know some people who get angry when they hear the name Allah instead of God...

muthsera666

2) Allah and Yahweh are just the Arabic and Hebrew names for God respectively. If a Christian was speaking Arabic, they'll say "Allah" and a Muslim speaking Hebrew would say "Yahweh". No one should get pissed off by this.

1) Public.

2) I know this. You know this. Many people know this. It doesn't change the fact that some people still do not like to hear their god called by a different name, especially by the name that the "other" uses.

2)Well, feel sorry for those people.

To mutersa666 again: What!! Since when did we live in a nation that was not for the people and by the people? Are you saying that the government should have their way and not the people? SHAME ON YOU!!!! Also I dont believe that children should be indoctrinated. I believe we should introduce them to both sides and let them choose what they want, not just throw it away like your saying. GamingBoy2009

1) When did I say throw it away?

2) What are both sides? Religious and secular? Which religion do you expose them to? Only Christian? Only Western religions? What about ancient religions now referred to as mythologies?

3) For the best of the people doesnot necessarily mean giving them what they want. If a parent gave his or her children everything they wanted, wouldn't we say that makes him or her a bad parent? That he or she should keep in mind the welfare of the chilren, even if means they don't always get what they think they should, even if it's a majority vote?

3) This nation has never really been by the people. This is not a democratic country. True democracy is an inapplicable ideal, similar to true communism. The United States is primarily a republic. With the popular vote in an election, such as the presidental election, if every person in the state voted republican, the representatives could still approportion the botes to, say, the Green Party, as part of the representational governmental rule.

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]

1) In my high school, we had to say the pledge. So yes, I was forced.

2) I know tht God, Allah, and Yaweh are the same God, but they have different connotations and are therefore nto accepted by all of the members of the different faiths. I know some people who get angry when they hear the name Allah instead of God...

Ezgam3r

2) Allah and Yahweh are just the Arabic and Hebrew names for God respectively. If a Christian was speaking Arabic, they'll say "Allah" and a Muslim speaking Hebrew would say "Yahweh". No one should get pissed off by this.

1) Public.

2) I know this. You know this. Many people know this. It doesn't change the fact that some people still do not like to hear their god called by a different name, especially by the name that the "other" uses.

2)Well, feel sorry for those people.

1) Well, it was a rural Pennsylvania town, so it was fairly saturated with people who thought themselves Christian, so it's not really a surprise.

2) Me too.

[QUOTE="GamingBoy2009"]To mutersa666 again: What!! Since when did we live in a nation that was not for the people and by the people? Are you saying that the government should have their way and not the people? SHAME ON YOU!!!! Also I dont believe that children should be indoctrinated. I believe we should introduce them to both sides and let them choose what they want, not just throw it away like your saying. muthsera666

1) When did I say throw it away?

2) What are both sides? Religious and secular? Which religion do you expose them to? Only Christian? Only Western religions? What about ancient religions now referred to as mythologies?

3) For the best of the people doesnot necessarily mean giving them what they want. If a parent gave his or her children everything they wanted, wouldn't we say that makes him or her a bad parent? That he or she should keep in mind the welfare of the chilren, even if means they don't always get what they think they should, even if it's a majority vote?

3) This nation has never really been by the people. This is not a democratic country. True democracy is an inapplicable ideal, similar to true communism. The United States is primarily a republic. With the popular vote in an election, such as the presidental election, if every person in the state voted republican, the representatives could still approportion the botes to, say, the Green Party, as part of the representational governmental rule.

I'm to tired to argue with anything you said and I'm going to bed, but before I do I have to point out you have 2 number 3s

we put it in there to make a point because the soviets outlawed religion. the cold wars over, time to take it out.mugge5002