UNICEF tries to interfere with Dominican constitution- Is The UN imperialistic?

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#1 JoeRatz16
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The Dominican Republic is getting ready to pass a constitutional Amendment that protects life from conception to natural death, only the head of the regional division of UNICEF ( who is not even a Dominican citizen, he's a Swede) is butting into this.

I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

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#2 Oleg_Huzwog
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I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

JoeRatz16

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

Oleg_Huzwog

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

Why? A government is nothing but a collective of individuals living within that area and thus it's more their business. Wouldn't like the UN telling me how the US should be run.

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#4 JoeRatz16
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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

Oleg_Huzwog

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

but what business is the proposed amendment to the UN? What does the UN think they should be the only ones making laws on such issues and the rest of the world should have to obey them.
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Interfering would be bribing all officials to vote against the bill. :|
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#6 clembo1990
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If a country doesn't have a big enough army to fight off the blooming UN it deserves to be told what to do.
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

JoeRatz16

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

but what business is the proposed amendment to the UN? What does the UN think they should be the only ones making laws on such issues and the rest of the world should have to obey them.

When countries like the Dominican receive large aid packages from the UN, it becomes the UN's business.

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#8 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

Oleg_Huzwog

but what business is the proposed amendment to the UN? What does the UN think they should be the only ones making laws on such issues and the rest of the world should have to obey them.

When countries like the Dominican receive large aid packages from the UN, it becomes the UN's business.

Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]I'm just wondering, does the UN and it's agencies interfere in countrys' domestic laws often?

LJS9502_basic

If "interfere" means "voicing disapproval", then yeah. That's kind of what they're supposed to do.

Why? A government is nothing but a collective of individuals living within that area and thus it's more their business. Wouldn't like the UN telling me how the US should be run.

I wouldn't like the US telling me how my country is run, but it happens all the time both in front of and behind the cameras. And this sadly is nothing new from the UN, smaller, poorer countries are often "coerced" into accepting the UN rule because they're too small, poor and powerless to do anything about it. All that happens is they're usually offered a cash incentive of a few billion dollars to accept whatever it is that supranational bodies want. IMF, World Bank etc, all part of the same disgusting nexus of power.
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The United Nations doesn't have any real binding power over its members, with the exception of limited coercive diplomacy in certain cases. Otherwiseit can voiceits displeasure for something all it wants, that's what its supposed to do.

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#12 Hoobinator
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The United Nations doesn't have any real binding power over its members, with the exception of limited coercive diplomacy in certain cases. Otherwiseit can voiceits displeasure for something all it wants, that's what its supposed to do.

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The UN is for all intents and purposes controlled by a few major nations. The US being at the head, and the security council members being the rest, though even the security council power is not uniformly distributed, China is far more powerful both militarily and especially economically in comparison to the UK or France.
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Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

LJS9502_basic

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

Oleg_Huzwog

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

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#15 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

LJS9502_basic

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

Specifically, I'm talking about the inevitable impact this amendment would have on birth control.

And I don't see the hypocrisy if you view aid in more of an investor's light. I don't want wealthy nations to help the Dominican indefinitely. I want them to help them to the point where they can eventually help themselves. If the Dominican is considering a policy that may hinder their ability to wean themselves off our aid, investing nations have a right to voice their concern. They don't want to throw money at a lost cause.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

Oleg_Huzwog

Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

Specifically, I'm talking about the inevitable impact this amendment would have on birth control.

And I don't see the hypocrisy if you view aid in more of an investor's light. I don't want wealthy nations to help the Dominican indefinitely. I want them to help them to the point where they can eventually help themselves. If the Dominican is considering a policy that may hinder their ability to wean themselves off our aid, investing nations have a right to voice their concern. They don't want to throw money at a lost cause.

I see. Poor people shouldn't be allowed children is your stance.

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#17 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

LJS9502_basic

Specifically, I'm talking about the inevitable impact this amendment would have on birth control.

And I don't see the hypocrisy if you view aid in more of an investor's light. I don't want wealthy nations to help the Dominican indefinitely. I want them to help them to the point where they can eventually help themselves. If the Dominican is considering a policy that may hinder their ability to wean themselves off our aid, investing nations have a right to voice their concern. They don't want to throw money at a lost cause.

I see. Poor people shouldn't be allowed children is your stance.

No. My stance is poor people shouldn't be denied the opportunity to decide for themselves how many kids they want.

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#18 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Specifically, I'm talking about the inevitable impact this amendment would have on birth control.

And I don't see the hypocrisy if you view aid in more of an investor's light. I don't want wealthy nations to help the Dominican indefinitely. I want them to help them to the point where they can eventually help themselves. If the Dominican is considering a policy that may hinder their ability to wean themselves off our aid, investing nations have a right to voice their concern. They don't want to throw money at a lost cause.

Oleg_Huzwog

I see. Poor people shouldn't be allowed children is your stance.

No. My stance is poor people shouldn't be denied the opportunity to decide for themselves how many kids they want.

No one is taking that away from them.;)

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

LJS9502_basic

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

I didn't see anywhere in there where they threatened to withhold aid based on this; did I skim over that?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

xaos

Specifically what are you talking about?

People need aid. It's hypocritical to make it dependent. That's bribery. Generally against the law.

I didn't see anywhere in there where they threatened to withhold aid based on this; did I skim over that?

Oleg is talking about that.

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#21 Oleg_Huzwog
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No one is taking that away from them.;)

LJS9502_basic

If Dominican law states life begins at conception, how could they not deny their citizens access to some means of contraception? Unless they have no intention of enforcing their own law, of course.

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[QUOTE="xaos"]I didn't see anywhere in there where they threatened to withhold aid based on this; did I skim over that?LJS9502_basic

Oleg is talking about that.

Not yet, I haven't.

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#23 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No one is taking that away from them.;)

Oleg_Huzwog

If Dominican law states life begins at conception, how could they not deny their citizens access to some means of contraception? Unless they have no intention of enforcing their own law, of course.

First stating that life BEGINS at conception does not inherently mean they can't prevent conception. It means that once a baby is conceived they consider it a life.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]I didn't see anywhere in there where they threatened to withhold aid based on this; did I skim over that?Oleg_Huzwog

Oleg is talking about that.

Not yet, I haven't.

Actually you did bring it up.:|

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Lets be honest the Un is really not the UN its France, Britian, US, Russiaand China.. They have supreme power and really can veto anything with in the adminstration they see fit.. It is also why its a weak organization aside from humanitarian aid because countries like the US only use it when it best suits them and ignores it if they break a UN sanction.

Edit- Forgot russia, the last permanet mamber of the security council.

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oleg is talking about that.

LJS9502_basic

Not yet, I haven't.

Actually you did bring it up.:|

I went back and read each of my posts twice. Nowhere did I make such a suggestion.

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#27 LJS9502_basic
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When countries like the Dominican receive large aid packages from the UN, it becomes the UN's business.Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

Oleg_Huzwog

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

And then we had this exchange. Which shows a correlation between the aid.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanitarian aid should not be dependent on thinking politically alike.

Ideally, they shouldn't. But sometimes they run into direct conflict.

If aid is geared towards shifting the population out of poverty, and government makes a move that runs contrary to that goal... what do you do?

And then we had this exchange. Which shows a correlation between the aid.

Humanitarian aid is also highly suspect for the UN.. A) It will only happen if the top UN security council allows it (example check Darfur).. B) UN members having diplomatic immunity has caused TERRIBLE things, check the allegations of UN forces in Africa raping women and killing people in broad daylight immune from the law.
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Good for them. Can they call for legal abortion in Ireland next? It's a pain in the ass to have to go to the UK to do it and the law isn't stopping anyone.
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The first was validation for the UN expressing its concern. The second was an elaboration on said validation.

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#31 LJS9502_basic
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The first was validation for the UN expressing its concern. The second was an elaboration on said validation.

Oleg_Huzwog

But the validation does infer humanitarian aid can be withheld.

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The first was validation for the UN expressing its concern. The second was an elaboration on said validation.

LJS9502_basic

But the validation does infer humanitarian aid can be withheld.

Only if one endorses the UN "walk the talk".