US Government seeks to make streaming audio/video a felony offense

"The term "fair use" does not appear anywhere in the report" Its starting to be clear on exactly who is writing this law,especially when it doesnt include fair use. Many music and movie companies dont want fair use, since it doesnt help them make even more moneyJd1680a

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]pure win here.... yet more proof we need LESS government.kayoticdreamz

The businesses are the ones pushing for it :|, hope your for net neutrality..

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] No, it's proof we need less private industries influencing the government.sSubZerOo

The businesses are the ones pushing for it :|, hope your for net neutrality..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"] the problem here is a law that if passed would make 95% of the internet illegal. the key word is LAW private business cant create laws no matter how much it tries. congress still does that.surrealnumber5

The businesses are the ones pushing for it :|, hope your for net neutrality..

.. No Net Neutrality is about internet providers or major companies not controlling what the customers see or can not see.. They can only provide acess and that is it.. The only thing that has been proposed as of late is the ending of that, where internet providers and big business can control it like they do for cable tv.. In what you can and can not look at or do.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] no business can propose a law, only politicians can do thatsurrealnumber5

Where do politicians get their campaign funding and support for example? Special interest groups. Why is the job of a lobbyist so important and lucrative? It's honestly a plague on all of Washington.

Because it's not the Federal government who really cares if you violate intellectual property by viewing a video on YouTube; broadcasting corporations will be lobbying the Federal government and individual Senators and Congressmen to push for this bill to protect their revenue.

it makes perfect since for people to try to get special treatment, it however is not a healthy practice for those with power to grant special treatment

I do blame the individual politicians, but I also blame the system that makes them beholden to political donations and lobbying. Blaming the individuals alone would be fighting the symptoms and not the disease.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Yes, I realize politicians are the only ones who can propose legislation, but that doesn't mean they're not being pushed by other groups. It's what happens.

Where do politicians get their campaign funding and support for example? Special interest groups. Why is the job of a lobbyist so important and lucrative? It's honestly a plague on all of Washington.

Because it's not the Federal government who really cares if you violate intellectual property by viewing a video on YouTube; broadcasting corporations will be lobbying the Federal government and individual Senators and Congressmen to push for this bill to protect their revenue.

Danm_999

it makes perfect since for people to try to get special treatment, it however is not a healthy practice for those with power to grant special treatment

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Yes, I realize politicians are the only ones who can propose legislation, but that doesn't mean they're not being pushed by other groups. It's what happens.

Where do politicians get their campaign funding and support for example? Special interest groups. Why is the job of a lobbyist so important and lucrative? It's honestly a plague on all of Washington.

Because it's not the Federal government who really cares if you violate intellectual property by viewing a video on YouTube; broadcasting corporations will be lobbying the Federal government and individual Senators and Congressmen to push for this bill to protect their revenue.

Danm_999

it makes perfect since for people to try to get special treatment, it however is not a healthy practice for those with power to grant special treatment

I do blame the individual politicians, but I also blame the system that makes them beholden to political donations and lobbying. Blaming the individuals alone would be fighting the symptoms and not the disease.

Lobbyists are a key part in running the government.. The problem here is we have quite few people in government who thinks privatizing everything is everything.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The businesses are the ones pushing for it :|, hope your for net neutrality..

sSubZerOo

.. No Net Neutrality is about internet providers or major companies not controlling what the customers see or can not see.. They can only provide acess and that is it.. The only thing that has been proposed as of late is the ending of that, where internet providers and big business can control it like they do for cable tv.. In what you can and can not look at or do.

M&W says corrupt means a : to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions; also : bribe b : to degrade with unsound principles or moral values sounds like corruption to me, the people who vote the guys in are the same people these laws harm

surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] current net is neutral the "net neutrality" proposed law is anything but and has nothing to do with yet another proposed law that does nothing but hurts we the people

surrealnumber5

.. No Net Neutrality is about internet providers or major companies not controlling what the customers see or can not see.. They can only provide acess and that is it.. The only thing that has been proposed as of late is the ending of that, where internet providers and big business can control it like they do for cable tv.. In what you can and can not look at or do.

I agree though, the proposed changes made by the government in December last year are rubbish, and are an obvious sign of influence from the telecommunications lobby.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]M&W says corrupt means a : to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions; also : bribe b : to degrade with unsound principles or moral values sounds like corruption to me, the people who vote the guys in are the same people these laws harm

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]pure win here.... yet more proof we need LESS government.surrealnumber5

i am not against campaign reform, donations could be limited per family company or completely anonymous. those are the two ways that just popped in my head that would help deter these kinds of actions. i just like to keep the blame on the one taking the action and not the reason for his action, and i think that is where we differ. if a company(lobby) offered me a million to kill my mother(the people), that is wrong as hell, but unless i take the money and kill her(protectionist law)no harm is done.

surrealnumber5

It's all well and good to punish someone for doing something wrong, but if you don't ever attempt to stem the cause of why they acted wrongly, you're always just be reacting to evil and illegality.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i am not against campaign reform, donations could be limited per family company or completely anonymous. those are the two ways that just popped in my head that would help deter these kinds of actions. i just like to keep the blame on the one taking the action and not the reason for his action, and i think that is where we differ. if a company(lobby) offered me a million to kill my mother(the people), that is wrong as hell, but unless i take the money and kill her(protectionist law)no harm is done.

Danm_999

It's all well and good to punish someone for doing something wrong, but if you don't ever attempt to stem the cause of why they acted wrongly, you're always just be reacting to evil and illegality.

So... Who will build the new prisons you guys gonna need? horgen123

Bills get proppsed all the time. Most never get out of the starting gate. Fewer still actually become law. Let's not go into panic mode just yet.

Bills get proppsed all the time. Most never get out of the starting gate. Fewer still actually become law. Let's not go into panic mode just yet.

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Bills get proppsed all the time. Most never get out of the starting gate. Fewer still actually become law. Let's not go into panic mode just yet.

gameguy6700

This is being proposed by the Obama administration however, so the Republicans will fight it tooth and nail, simply because it's Obama, and the Democras will abandon it or water it down out of compromise (not that I'd have a problem with any of that in this case).

This is why it should be illegal for lobbies or corporations to give money to politicians.

Keep your big business out of my government! :x

This is why it should be illegal for lobbies or corporations to give money to politicians.

Keep your big business out of my government! :x

genfactor

As much as I disagree with republicans at least they wont vote for this bill to pass

This is to far, I agree uploading a illegal video should be a felony but THIS....THIS...

The democratic party should not be this way...

Wait, is this making it illegal/a felony to set up the stream, or to view the stream? If it's the latter, I am very much opposed to this.chessmaster1989

This is why it should be illegal for lobbies or corporations to give money to politicians.

Keep your big business out of my government! :x

genfactor

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]pure win here.... yet more proof we need LESS government.Ring_of_fire

As much as I disagree with republicans at least they wont vote for this bill to pass

This is to far, I agree uploading a illegal video should be a felony but THIS....THIS...

The democratic party should not be this way...

fueled-system

Don't blame the "democratic party" unless the actual democratic party is in favor of it, not one federal employee appointed by the Obama administration.

[QUOTE="genfactor"]

This is why it should be illegal for lobbies or corporations to give money to politicians.

Keep your big business out of my government! :x

aransom

And people complain how harmless drug users are filling up prisons when they don't belong there. This is so stupid, if they actually enforced this, the prisons would all be full in hours.

Im surprised that the entertainment industry hasnt learned yet:

More ineffective copyright protection materials = the software is pirated more.

• AC2 with the draconian online connection crap is a perfect example

[QUOTE="genfactor"]

This is why it should be illegal for lobbies or corporations to give money to politicians.

Keep your big business out of my government! :x

aransom

I disagree.

You should see "Inside Job".