US says it has the right to kidnap British citizens.

[QUOTE="doggy47perfecto"]yea legally but its not like they are gonna actaully do it.Bourbons3

Don't worry, that won't happen. You'll just be subjected to dumb American reality shows until every other word out of your mouth is "dude" or "like".

If people bust into my room at night and try to kidnap me because I have been streaming a few episodes of House over the net (which is breaking the law, incidentally) I have every right to try and implant the intruders with sharp bits of metal, and I will exercise that right. If America tries to 'extradite' me in the middle of the night without the consent of the British government, then I am going to raise hell for them. Chavyneebslod

If the US were to "extradite" you, it would be for a terrorist act...also, it's hypocritical to obey one law and ignore another.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Hey, we saved their ass in WWII; they owe us.:evil:jointed

Not really..

And guys, it's the principle that matters....

[QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"]If people bust into my room at night and try to kidnap me because I have been streaming a few episodes of House over the net (which is breaking the law, incidentally) I have every right to try and implant the intruders with sharp bits of metal, and I will exercise that right. If America tries to 'extradite' me in the middle of the night without the consent of the British government, then I am going to raise hell for them. The_Ish

If the US were to "extradite" you, it would be for a terrorist act...also, it's hypocritical to obey one law and ignore another.

True, but some laws and rightshave precedence over others.

I was meaning to pose an example of the American government attempting to whisk me away in the dead of night without the cooperation of the British govenment. They are breaking international law. It wouldn't matter if I was a terrorist at all, just because the supreme court gives it the ok, doesn't give Americathe right to carry out operations (millitary or otherwise) on another country's soil without the other country's permission. To simply 'kidnap'a foreign national and take them out toAmerica is just hypocritical. If the Americans went through the proper channels and was arrested by, say the metropilian police, thenfair enough. I will be sent to the US and tried. Any other way than that for anon-terrorist act, I will fight with all the breath in my body.

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[QUOTE="Chavyneebslod"]If people bust into my room at night and try to kidnap me because I have been streaming a few episodes of House over the net (which is breaking the law, incidentally) I have every right to try and implant the intruders with sharp bits of metal, and I will exercise that right. If America tries to 'extradite' me in the middle of the night without the consent of the British government, then I am going to raise hell for them. Chavyneebslod

If the US were to "extradite" you, it would be for a terrorist act...also, it's hypocritical to obey one law and ignore another.

True, but some laws and rightshave precedence over others.

I was meaning to pose an example of the American government attempting to whisk me away in the dead of night without the cooperation of the British govenment. They are breaking international law. It wouldn't matter if I was a terrorist at all, just because the supreme court gives it the ok, doesn't give Americathe right to carry out operations (millitary or otherwise) on another country's soil without the other country's permission. To simply 'kidnap'a foreign national and take them out toAmerica is just hypocritical. If the Americans went through the proper channels and was arrested by, say the metropilian police, thenfair enough. I will be sent to the US and tried. Any other way than that for anon-terrorist act, I will fight with all the breath in my body.

Doesn't the British government allow the US to arrest terrorists? I am not too familiar with this.

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I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

Ilived

It's time to stop nitpicking and start accepting that you guys kidnap little British orphans.

say it ain't so!

Good God this just confirms my fears of how we are turning into a facist nation.

I was right about the vague definition. Both the Patriot Act and the Violent Radicalisation Act have EXTREMELY vague definitions of terrorism and terrorists and they are now doing what I expected: Using the vague definition to apprehend people who aren't terrorists or even violent....

Sorry they are doing this to you guys out there in Britain. You will have the last laugh though as soon enough they will be doing this to our own citizens and we will likely have no one aiding us.....

I am british and now I am nervous

I am british and now I am nervous

Lorindol

You guys aren't the one who need to worry. As far as I know your country isn't following the 10 steps towards facism, as made infamous by countries such as Germany and Italy thanks to leaders like Hitler and Moussillini......

I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meLorindol

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meThechaninator

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meUrbanSpartan125

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

seriously, I was playin around....I have no worries that they would do anything to me.

why would they. I have done nothing wrong at all nor would I

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meUrbanSpartan125

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

Jesus Christ I guess I need to post this vid in this topic too.

People tend to be ignorant like this. You ignore the small things untill they have created a pile of **** so big you can't see the light of day and thats when you flip.

The things happening here in America are nothing new and there is so much more to it than those 2 acts. Their using the broad definition fits right in with the way countries slowly turn into facist countries.

You think one day everyone in Germany woke up and suddenly were like WTF WE TURNED FACIST OVERNIGHT! No, there is alot involved and it is a very slow process especially seeing as it is supposed to be done without alarming the populace till it's too late.

Our congress is likely worse than our president. I don't see Bush as being smart enough for this sort of thing.

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meLorindol

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

seriously, I was playin around....I have no worries that they would do anything to me.

why would they. I have done nothing wrong at all nor would I

Because as I said this country is on the path to closing down into a facist state. This Britain thing may seem minor but it is just another step towards these tactics being used on American ctizens.....

This topic reminds me of the movie rendition, anyone seen that?Film-Guy

I didn't see it but I heard it was awful boring. Didn't they basically just make that whole movie to try and teach people about what rendition is and how horrible it is?

[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meThechaninator

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]This topic reminds me of the movie rendition, anyone seen that?Thechaninator

I didn't see it but I heard it was awful boring. Didn't they basically just make that whole movie to try and teach people about what rendition is and how horrible it is?

Leave the author alone guys.

Mr. tinfoil hat here obviously is a wee bit scared.

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]I am nervous because I live in the states.....so it would be easy for them to nab meZcrimson07

I recommend getting out before the country closes down. I would have hope that we could preserve democracy here but most people here are too dumb to care and simply write people like me off as conspiracy theorists. They can't grasp the concept of just how dangerous things like the Patriot Act and Voilent Radicalisation act are....

lol I spelt it wrong but it is real. It is a bill that got passed under the radar during the California wildfires, It basically says the government is to set up a "comittee of exellence" that will look into issues concerning people spreading "radical" ideas that are "threatening" to the US. Basically the worry is that the bill is so vague ANYONE can be taken as a terrorist and it can very easily lead to issues with the detaining of people for speaking out against the government. It is like The Patriot Act just even more vague and even more dangerous!!!

Oh and Geezer I really hope you weren't referring to me (You might want to actually be specific in mentioning who the hell your talking about) because I am no conspiracy theorist. I don't believe the government caused 9/11 (Albeit they sure are loving that it happened) and I don't believe in any "new world order" conspiracy. What I believe is that the facts point to the US becoming a facist state in the somehwat near future. The vid I posted is very long but well-worth the watch. The fact is there has been shown a pattern throughout time of how free states turn into facist states and we are following the pattern quite nicely....