U.S troops to come home on Oct 1 or even sooner!

A defiant Democratic-controlled Senate passed legislation Thursday that would require the start of troop withdrawals from Iraq by Oct. 1, propelling Congress toward a historic veto showdown with President Bush on the war.

Basically...IT WILL GET VETOED. Its almost pointless on trying it seems.

Secondly...I believe NOTHING until I receive the letter from the Chain of Command. I have learned to never believe the news. *Shrugs*

Maybe if the Congress had a little bit of backbone before this whole situation morphed into the cluster **** that it is today we wouldn't be talking about this.xXBuffJeffXx

It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xXBuffJeffXx

  The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there..  If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what?  It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity. 

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xXBuffJeffXx

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity. 

  Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity. 

  Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

.....ehm.....The Iraqis are getting mass recruited and armed with old russian gear.....When civil war breaks out they will desert without doubt.....to split it up to 3 smaller nations is just stupid....You've probably understod why when you read this post....If not, then I'll tell you why

Well I will be glad to see them come home but we must finsh what we started. It would be extremely bad to leave now when the job isnt finished, dont get me wrong I am tired of the war but it will be alot worse if we leave to early. Also if Congress really would have done what they say they want about bring them home they could have been home about 6months after the war had started since the war wasnt officially declared by congress all they have to do is stop signing the paper to extend their timePeterTimpa

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity.

Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

What the hell are you saying? I was implying that I'm advocating we stay until the Iraqis are actually a legitimate force, a force that can hold its own against the insurgency. I'm not so naive as to think we can eradicate the insurgency, but we can possibly suppress it to a tolerable level. 

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.jointed

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity. 

  Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

.....ehm.....The Iraqis are getting mass recruited and armed with old russian gear.....When civil war breaks out they will desert without doubt.....to split it up to 3 smaller nations is just stupid....You've probably understod why when you read this post....If not, then I'll tell you why

  ... Thats funny alot of military personal far more credible then you haev stated that this would be the best course.. The reaosns why they would split it into 3 nations is because if you didn't know the country consists of 3 different groups of people that have hated themselves for thousands of years..

  Israeli's and Palastiens can't even get along and its only been 50 years.. HOW IN YOUR RIGHT MIND ARE YOU GONNA EXPECT people to get along in the SAME COUNTRY who have hated each other for possibly thousands of years..

   Hell the UNITED STATES ARMY can't even stop attacks int he MOST SECURE place in the country..  IMO and many credible people in both military and politics believe the only way it will work is split it into 3 nations.

[QUOTE="PeterTimpa"]Well I will be glad to see them come home but we must finsh what we started. It would be extremely bad to leave now when the job isnt finished, dont get me wrong I am tired of the war but it will be alot worse if we leave to early. Also if Congress really would have done what they say they want about bring them home they could have been home about 6months after the war had started since the war wasnt officially declared by congress all they have to do is stop signing the paper to extend their timemohan88

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity. 

  Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

.....ehm.....The Iraqis are getting mass recruited and armed with old russian gear.....When civil war breaks out they will desert without doubt.....to split it up to 3 smaller nations is just stupid....You've probably understod why when you read this post....If not, then I'll tell you why

  ... Thats funny alot of military personal far more credible then you haev stated that this would be the best course.. The reaosns why they would split it into 3 nations is because if you didn't know the country consists of 3 different groups of people that have hated themselves for thousands of years..

  Israeli's and Palastiens can't even get along and its only been 50 years.. HOW IN YOUR RIGHT MIND ARE YOU GONNA EXPECT people to get along in the SAME COUNTRY who have hated each other for possibly thousands of years..

   Hell the UNITED STATES ARMY can't even stop attacks int he MOST SECURE place in the country..  IMO and many credible people in both military and politics believe the only way it will work is split it into 3 nations.

ok...so you want to split the country up in 3...what do you think will happend to the minorities in the various nations when you split it up? Without any strong military to protect the minorities , a genocide will take place.....and if you forcefully try to move the minorities you would be no better than Israel

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.jointed

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Quality over quantity.

Hahaha yeah clearly because the Iraqi soldiers are very well equiped and trained at that.. So as I said before if the Iraqi forces can not hold the country with over 200k soldiers then Iraq can never become a country any more.. It took a brutal dictator to even keep it together, the most realistic option that many credible people are saying is split Iraq into 3 smaller nations.

.....ehm.....The Iraqis are getting mass recruited and armed with old russian gear.....When civil war breaks out they will desert without doubt.....to split it up to 3 smaller nations is just stupid....You've probably understod why when you read this post....If not, then I'll tell you why

... Thats funny alot of military personal far more credible then you haev stated that this would be the best course.. The reaosns why they would split it into 3 nations is because if you didn't know the country consists of 3 different groups of people that have hated themselves for thousands of years..

Israeli's and Palastiens can't even get along and its only been 50 years.. HOW IN YOUR RIGHT MIND ARE YOU GONNA EXPECT people to get along in the SAME COUNTRY who have hated each other for possibly thousands of years..

Hell the UNITED STATES ARMY can't even stop attacks int he MOST SECURE place in the country.. IMO and many credible people in both military and politics believe the only way it will work is split it into 3 nations.

ok...so you want to split the country up in 3...what do you think will happend to the minorities in the various nations when you split it up? Without any strong military to protect the minorities , a genocide will take place.....and if you forcefully try to move the minorities you would be no better than Israel

Well I will be glad to see them come home but we must finsh what we started. It would be extremely bad to leave now when the job isnt finished, dont get me wrong I am tired of the war but it will be alot worse if we leave to early. Also if Congress really would have done what they say they want about bring them home they could have been home about 6months after the war had started since the war wasnt officially declared by congress all they have to do is stop signing the paper to extend their timePeterTimpa

"they have talked about doing that forever since the 1st gulf war, and it will never happen and if it did we would all be screwed I think "

Well, splitting it up into three independent nations will create MANY MANY more problems than it solves.....

[QUOTE="PeterTimpa"]Well I will be glad to see them come home but we must finsh what we started. It would be extremely bad to leave now when the job isnt finished, dont get me wrong I am tired of the war but it will be alot worse if we leave to early. Also if Congress really would have done what they say they want about bring them home they could have been home about 6months after the war had started since the war wasnt officially declared by congress all they have to do is stop signing the paper to extend their timeyoshi-lnex

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq What do you guys think about that?mohan88

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="PeterTimpa"]Well I will be glad to see them come home but we must finsh what we started. It would be extremely bad to leave now when the job isnt finished, dont get me wrong I am tired of the war but it will be alot worse if we leave to early. Also if Congress really would have done what they say they want about bring them home they could have been home about 6months after the war had started since the war wasnt officially declared by congress all they have to do is stop signing the paper to extend their timePeterTimpa

It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xXBuffJeffXx

Yeah no doubt.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.UrbanSpartan125

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xhellcatx

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

"they have talked about doing that forever since the 1st gulf war, and it will never happen and if it did we would all be screwed I think "

Well, splitting it up into three independent nations will create MANY MANY more problems than it solves.....

jointed

And how do you know this? Staying in Iraq is absurd idea, going there in the first place was retarted. We haven't done the Iraqis any favors and most of them don't want us there, so why stay? It's hard to believe but most Iraqis perfered living under a dictator than the crap that's going on now. 

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.yoshi-lnex

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xhellcatx

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.sSubZerOo

  The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there..  If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what?  It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Actually, that may be a good thing.  Maybe there is an exit strategy after all.

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.UrbanSpartan125

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

The same generals who told him to invade the damn place? oh wait...

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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.UrbanSpartan125

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xhellcatx

The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.

Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you. 

Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you. sped_ed

On another note...big plus for US forces!!! -got this from stars and stripes

The U.S. military said Tuesday that it had killed an al-Qaida in Iraq "security emir" during operations last week northwest of Baghdad.

Identified as Muhammad Abdullah Abbas al-Issawi - and also as Abu Abd al-Sattar and Abu Akram - the man was believed responsible for terrorist attacks in eastern Anbar province, particularly Karmah and Amariyah, near Fallujah.

"Coalition forces were conducting operations targeting associates of a known senior leader within al-Qaeda in Iraq. During the operation the terrorists engaged ground forces with small arms fire," a military news release said. "Coalition forces used appropriate self-defense measures and engaged the armed men, killing two and detaining one.

One of the terrorists killed has been positively identified as Abu Abd al-Sattar."

Assault vests, weapons, hand grenades and suicide-bomb vests were recovered at the site, officials said. Sattar was accused of supplying weapons to insurgents and was allegedly linked to recent chlorine bomb attacks across Iraq.

Heres a link to the article if you wanna see it there...but its all here O_o

[QUOTE="sped_ed"] Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you. xhellcatx

You're too naive....

You can find thousands of videos on the net where you see soldiers throwing grenades after caddle or shooting on civilian cars....

We don't know the real reason behind the Iraqi war, and we probably never will