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WASHINGTON - The wealth gap between younger and older Americans has stretched to the widest on record, worsened by a prolonged economic downturn that has wiped out job opportunities for young adults and saddled them with housing and college debt. The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. The median net worth of households headed by someone 65 or older was $170,494. That is 42% more than in 1984, when the Census Bureau first began measuring wealth broken down by age. The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662, down by 68% from a quarter-century ago, according to the analysis by the Pew Research Center. Story here. Net worth includes the value of a person's home, possessions and savings accumulated over the years, including stocks, bank accounts, real estate, cars, boats or other property, minus any debt such as mortgages, college loans and credit card bills. 37% of younger-age households have a net worth of zero or less. But among households headed by a person 65 or older, the percentage in that category has been largely unchanged at 8%. Thoughts?
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No good jobs, crushing student debt from getting worthless college degrees. What do you expect? Young people in this country are pretty screwed right now thanks to the greed of the baby boomer generation.

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It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.
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is it me or is it a bit creepy that theirs a george orwell reference in there..

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It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.GazaAli

Not really. People from our parents generation had pretty good jobs for the most part in their 20s. Back in the 60s or 70s you would graduate college and come out to the equivalent of a 6 figure job right out of school. Even factory workers had really good wages and benefits back then.

My dad graduated from undergrad with crappy grades and immediately got a job right out of school making six figures with Bethlehem Steel. Of course that was back before Republicans ruined the economy and outsourced everything.

Now a college grad is lucky to get a $6/hr McJob flipping burgers or something. Service economy jobs suck and don't pay liveable wages.

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It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.GazaAli
back in the days before income tax and government fueled bubbles housing was much lower as was school and people were allowed to keep what they earned, so no it was not always like this, and for most of our history it has not been like this.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.danrowe16

Not really. People from our parents generation had pretty good jobs for the most part in their 20s. Back in the 60s or 70s you would graduate college and come out to the equivalent of a 6 figure job right out of school. Even factory workers had really good wages and benefits back then.

My dad graduated from undergrad with crappy grades and immediately got a job right out of school making six figures with Bethlehem Steel. Of course that was back before Republicans ruined the economy and outsourced everything.

Now a college grad is lucky to get a $6/hr McJob flipping burgers or something. Service economy jobs suck and don't pay liveable wages.

sorry but both parties have been for inflation, propping up and even intentionally starting bubbles, expanding the nanny state, and increased taxes. get rid of capital investment and see the economy tank, i question how you this as a one party issue, and state it is the party that has business friendlyretoric is the one at fault, and not the party that openly tries to kill the economy.

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[QUOTE="danrowe16"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.surrealnumber5

Not really. People from our parents generation had pretty good jobs for the most part in their 20s. Back in the 60s or 70s you would graduate college and come out to the equivalent of a 6 figure job right out of school. Even factory workers had really good wages and benefits back then.

My dad graduated from undergrad with crappy grades and immediately got a job right out of school making six figures with Bethlehem Steel. Of course that was back before Republicans ruined the economy and outsourced everything.

Now a college grad is lucky to get a $6/hr McJob flipping burgers or something. Service economy jobs suck and don't pay liveable wages.

sorry but both parties have been for inflation, propping up and even intentionally starting bubbles, expanding the nanny state, and increased taxes. get rid of capital investment and see the economy tank, i question how you this as a one party issue, and state it is the party that has business friendlyretoric is the one at fault, and not the party that openly tries to kill the economy.

indeed here here! church church! the boys up top both suck not jsut the one. stop looking in the left right paradime for a scapegoat and just BLAME BOTH and as a result THE WHOLE GOVT

then and ONLY THEN will you be truly making intellectual progress in a political fashion. both parties are evil and ruining your nation so it really doesnt matter how one or the other acts if they both just as bad.

THIS is the only correct answer in this case and im afraid denying it is impossible (unless you beleive every word uttered by the folks at CNN, MSNBC and FOX without first considering the alternative news sources or the places they get their news from (ap, reuter, daily mail, etc.)

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The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662,topsemag55
rofl i could make more money that that without a job ;s
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my thoughts? numbers are interesting.
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662,Jandurin
rofl i could make more money that that without a job ;s

welfare pays much better than that, but so does "can collector" and "homeless guy"

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662,surrealnumber5

rofl i could make more money that that without a job ;s

welfare pays much better than that, but so does "can collector" and "homeless guy"

oh i see it's net worth does that mean what you make/own minus what you spend/debt?
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.surrealnumber5

back in the days before income tax and government fueled bubbles housing was much lower as was school and people were allowed to keep what they earned, so no it was not always like this, and for most of our history it has not been like this.

Just to clarify, You mean back in the days with a 90% income tax for the top bracket, or the 70% income tax for the top bracket?
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] rofl i could make more money that that without a job ;sJandurin

welfare pays much better than that, but so does "can collector" and "homeless guy"

oh i see it's net worth does that mean what you make/own minus what you spend/debt?

yea its net worth, a snapshot that, like a balance sheet, does not take in to account in or outflows, just a stillshot of values.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It may have some indications about the economical and social status of young people, but honestly isn't this normal? Like those +65 people were once -35 and belonged to that category? I mean its only natural for older people to be in better economical state, giving the time and experience they invested.EntropyWins

back in the days before income tax and government fueled bubbles housing was much lower as was school and people were allowed to keep what they earned, so no it was not always like this, and for most of our history it has not been like this.

Just to clarify, You mean back in the days with a 90% income tax for the top bracket, or the 70% income tax for the top bracket?

i was talking about before there was an income tax, that would be before there was an income tax, but even after that in the time that you speak of, where less than 100 persons in the country fit into the top bracket, back before inflation put everyone in higher brackets and politicians cranked up rates on everyone including the top bracket in real terms. i dont expect a brit to know the finer points of of our banking and economic history, hell most of the crap seen around is pure political spin.

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i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!
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sounds about how much i'm worth. i'm probably less than that number though.

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i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!Jandurin
i'd bet either A) inflated bubble mortgages and/or B) inflated student loans hamper the hell out of we yougins

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!surrealnumber5

i'd bet either A) inflated bubble mortgages and/or B) inflated student loans hamper the hell out of we yougins

i bought after the bubble popped and have no student loans :) take THAT recession
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!surrealnumber5

i'd bet either A) inflated bubble mortgages and/or B) inflated student loans hamper the hell out of we yougins

Jandurin is not young
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!Jandurin

i'd bet either A) inflated bubble mortgages and/or B) inflated student loans hamper the hell out of we yougins

i bought after the bubble popped and have no student loans :) take THAT recession

i bet you work and wash your ass too, is this why youre not part of the XYZ% movement?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i wonder what my household net worth is i bet i can beat that median!Colin1192

i'd bet either A) inflated bubble mortgages and/or B) inflated student loans hamper the hell out of we yougins

Jandurin is not young

what is "young" to you? as long as he is young enough to waste his time drinking he is young enough for me,.... [no xaos]

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i bet you work and wash your ass too, is this why youre not part of the XYZ% movement?

surrealnumber5
:lol:

as long as he is young enough to waste his time drinking he is young enough for me,.... [no xaos]

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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

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[QUOTE="EntropyWins"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] back in the days before income tax and government fueled bubbles housing was much lower as was school and people were allowed to keep what they earned, so no it was not always like this, and for most of our history it has not been like this.

surrealnumber5

Just to clarify, You mean back in the days with a 90% income tax for the top bracket, or the 70% income tax for the top bracket?

i was talking about before there was an income tax, that would be before there was an income tax, but even after that in the time that you speak of, where less than 100 persons in the country fit into the top bracket, back before inflation put everyone in higher brackets and politicians cranked up rates on everyone including the top bracket in real terms. i dont expect a brit to know the finer points of of our banking and economic history, hell most of the crap seen around is pure political spin.

someone who is 65 today was born in 1946 if I'm not mistaken. So I guess you are claiming that people who are 65 are currently benefiting from economic and taxation policies from almost half a century before they were born? I guess it wouldn't be too far fetched to claim that those policies had an effect on their parents and thus them, but I think it makes more sense to look at the policies that were in place as these people grew up and became employed. Things like the taxation policies in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, as well as bills such as the GI Bill. The strength of unions in those days probably also greatly contributed to higher wages before conservative policies started dismantling the middle class. To clarify I am not for the democratic party or the republican party, since both parties have helped destroy this country. I am, however, for liberalism over conservativism.
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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

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I don't want all of it, as that would probably come with some sort of responsibility. I just want some of other peoples' money. Enough to get a lot of nice stuff.

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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

Wasdie

but wesdie what can i the 3.2e-7 percent do?

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

surrealnumber5

but wesdie what can i the 3.2e-7 percent do?

#ows
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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

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wealth caps are good for everybody.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"] Just to clarify, You mean back in the days with a 90% income tax for the top bracket, or the 70% income tax for the top bracket? EntropyWins

i was talking about before there was an income tax, that would be before there was an income tax, but even after that in the time that you speak of, where less than 100 persons in the country fit into the top bracket, back before inflation put everyone in higher brackets and politicians cranked up rates on everyone including the top bracket in real terms. i dont expect a brit to know the finer points of of our banking and economic history, hell most of the crap seen around is pure political spin.

someone who is 65 today was born in 1946 if I'm not mistaken. So I guess you are claiming that people who are 65 are currently benefiting from economic and taxation policies from almost half a century before they were born? I guess it wouldn't be too far fetched to claim that those policies had an effect on their parents and thus them, but I think it makes more sense to look at the policies that were in place as these people grew up and became employed. Things like the taxation policies in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, as well as bills such as the GI Bill. The strength of unions in those days probably also greatly contributed to higher wages before conservative policies started dismantling the middle class. To clarify I am not for the democratic party or the republican party, since both parties have helped destroy this country. I am, however, for liberalism over conservativism.

but there was a huge post war deregulation after WW2 and it was not till the late 60 early 70s did the proactive nanny state come to be and since the government has only taken more and more of the economic pie, and unlike the market it does not create wealth or growth, i hope to get more into this later but i have a client call in 8 mins and need to get on that. currently the fed is about 30% of our economy where it has beeen far smaller in the good times. i hope to get into this later...

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I demand that rich people stop making money and give me all of the money!

Wasdie

No, we must ignore this issue and allow the gap to increase to the point where youth is unable to advance beyond poverty even when they reach old age!

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I believe its quite normal that people make money as they get older :|

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Yeah it is pretty lovely how my generation is being completed shafted these days. I love the way that it becomes more and more impossible everyday for us young people to actually start our lives and get a real financial foothold.

I remember when I was young I had always dreamed of graduating high school and then going away to college, living in a dorm and experience life whilst getting my education on.

Then the time came and it's like "oh wait, you can't afford this **** Instead I stayed living with my parents going to a crappy community college while trying to make money working an absolutely ***** fast food job which BTW those wages aren't freaking liveable and even without having to pay for quite ALL my bills, they still don't let you save up a dime....

Now I am 23, haven't gone back yet to finish my college education (got 2 years done) because I have been trying to figure out what degree to get that won't be completely useless to me and trying to sort out my job situation as while I have an alright job, the scheduling can make it hard to do the work and school thing, considering I work in the medical field and can be mandated to stay for a second shift at times...

I don't have a single friend who has moved out of their parents house yet. It has become that unfeasible for someone my age to start their own life.

It is ridiculous, it is BS, and I hope those responsible for ruining our economy burn for it.

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Isn't this how it's supposed to be? If young people started off where everyone else was it'd be like cheating in the Sims!

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Dont mess with old people.

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Isn't this how it's supposed to be? If young people started off where everyone else was it'd be like cheating in the Sims!

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i think the fact that the median net worth for households led by people under 35 being so low is pretty indicative
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think the fact that the median net worth for households led by people under 35 being so low is pretty indicativeJandurin

I know. They didn't open up console and type in motherlode a zillion times. Those fools!

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I guess there isn't really any way for me to put it except to say that Generation Y or Millennials (or whatever the term for the 'youth' of today) got screwed. Well, we all are a bit screwed, but people say, 25 or so and younger, got extra-mega screwed.

I remember when I graduated HS and moved out on my own, I felt bad because I wasn't doing the standard go-off-to-college-for-4-yearsthing. In retrospect, man oh man did I dodge a bullet.

I remember that it "used to be" that a kid would graduate from college and it was pretty much a 'given' that a decent, if not great, job and career would be waiting for them. This is SO not the case now and likely won't be for quite a while, considering the years (and growing) of backlog of college grads just itching to work.

While people (even those graduating high school) should understand that taking a loan for college is pretty much a gamble, I don't entirely blame them. Same goes for the parents. Taking out a huge college loan based on an assumption (or hope) that a great job will be waiting was a risk. However, for many, many years it has been the safe bet..... but it was still a bet.

I think that, as far as college loan 'bubble' that I've read a few articles/blogs about.... I just assume that the high-school-straight-to-full-time-college-based-on-loans thing will be a thing of the past (for the most part). The only way anyone can really guarantee that they won't have a mountain of debt while struggling to find "good" jobs will be to not take on so much debt in the first place. I think more people will be cautious and go to school part time and pay their way.

But, I could be wrong.

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I think that, as far as college loan 'bubble' that I've read a few articles/blogs about.... I just assume that the high-school-straight-to-full-time-college-based-on-loans thing will be a thing of the past (for the most part). The only way anyone can really guarantee that they won't have a mountain of debt while struggling to find "good" jobs will be to not take on so much debt in the first place. I think more people will be cautious and go to school part time and pay their way.

But, I could be wrong.

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The vast majority of HS grads don't see it that way. They think they have to go to college to make it.

My cousin had heard me talking about the oil fields in North Dakota for the longest time and he asked me to help him get a job. He didn't want to saddle his parents with college loans. So I called a buddy that I served with and got him an interview over the phone, vouched for him, and set him up with a hotel room for a month until he had enough money to find an apartment. Now he's making more than I do after taxes and is getting his associates done on-line.

Smartest kid I know.

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#42 coolbeans90
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Old people are living longer, working longer and consequently accumulating more wealth at the peak of their careers than before.

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#43 comp_atkins
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and ppl wonder why kids today stay home and mooch of their parents.. :P
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and ppl wonder why kids today stay home and mooch of their parents.. :P comp_atkins

If you live in NY or CA you're already well accustomed to kids mooching off their parents.

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my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

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my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

surrealnumber5
Baby Boomers control over 80% of personal financial assets and more than 50% of discretionary spending power., July 2011 They are responsible for more than half of all consumer spending, buy 77% of all prescription drugs, 61% of OTC medication and 80% of all leisure travel., July 2011
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#47 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

Jandurin
Baby Boomers control over 80% of personal financial assets and more than 50% of discretionary spending power., July 2011 They are responsible for more than half of all consumer spending, buy 77% of all prescription drugs, 61% of OTC medication and 80% of all leisure travel., July 2011

They also like to build giant, ugly houses really far from their jobs and buy Celine Dion CDs. F*** baby boomers.
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#48 comp_atkins
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my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

surrealnumber5
the solution is clear: mass genocide of any over the age of 45
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#49 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

comp_atkins
the solution is clear: mass genocide of any over the age of 45

We can organize via Facebook. They'll never see it coming.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

my whole argument sums up to ______ baby boomers, the greatest generations greatest failure

Jandurin

Baby Boomers control over 80% of personal financial assets and more than 50% of discretionary spending power., July 2011 They are responsible for more than half of all consumer spending, buy 77% of all prescription drugs, 61% of OTC medication and 80% of all leisure travel., July 2011

yea, all those destructive policies had to help someone, they just made sure it went to them.