I agree with that to a certain extent. More simply, don't fight wars you don't intend to win. In other words, if you're not willing to destroy the enemy, then don't engage them in war.Enough with the politics of personal distruction. We shouldn't be sending our troops like some sort of star troopers to distroy other nations. We should concentrate our efforts here at home.
outworld222
U.S will have a hard time getting the people to go to War for them again
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[QUOTE="outworld222"]I agree with that to a certain extent. More simply, don't fight wars you don't intend to win. In other words, if you're not willing to destroy the enemy, then don't engage them in war. Indeed. There should be a thanks button on these forums. Heh.Enough with the politics of personal distruction. We shouldn't be sending our troops like some sort of star troopers to distroy other nations. We should concentrate our efforts here at home.
kraychik
[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="outworld222"]I agree with that to a certain extent. More simply, don't fight wars you don't intend to win. In other words, if you're not willing to destroy the enemy, then don't engage them in war. Indeed. There should be a thanks button on these forums. Heh. Maybe America will rebuild her backbone once she hits rock bottom.Enough with the politics of personal distruction. We shouldn't be sending our troops like some sort of star troopers to distroy other nations. We should concentrate our efforts here at home.
outworld222
We have too many people in the military so all branches are downsizing. It's becoming harder to join with longer wait periods on the DEP. Yeah, the draft is totally viable.
I enlisted just so I could go to Afghanistan even though I was in 2nd grade when the WTC was hit. I hate to quote call of duty but this country has no shortage of "patriots".
Yea there are a lot of people trying to enlist now but that's why Marines are only recruiting high school seniors and Army is doubling it's pt requirements (which sucks). It's not as easy to get in anymore they are all very picky with who gets in and who doesn't. ASVAB requirements for every branch got bumped up to 50, Weight requirements based on body fat% is more strict. If you have any type of criminal record you can forget about the enlisting. On top of all that they have no problem cutting dead weight before you even go to basic. My friend enlisted in the Marines, wasn't showing up to the weekly trainings or showing dedication so they discharged him. My recruiting office(Army) has already discharged a few people because they just weren't cut out for the military. So yea a lot of people want to get in but a lot of people are getting turned down. When I swore in at MEPs(processing/evaluating basically) the first thing the officer said to us was "Congratulations only 23% of recruits that walk through the door make it this far".
If you want to join the military by all means go for it but you gotta earn it. I don't leave for basic training for another 2 weeks and I'm already in the best shape I've ever been in.
And yes I fully intend on getting a college education
atony12
congrats man. I just graduated basic combat training 2 months ago and am now in AIT. If you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me. The cutoffs don't stop at the recruiting station. One of the companies in my batallion chaptered 1/5 of it's recruits over the 9 weeks. People get chaptered in AIT too for even getting caught drunk in the barracks the night before a duty day. One kid is getting chaptered for a few repeated incidents of not shaving, even when wearing civilian clothing.
Like I said, just PM me if you have any questions
If Bush wanted oil, he could have just bribed his way through Saddam Hussein just like the French, the Chinese, and the Russians. We can argue whether the Iraq War was a mistake or not but the biggest mistake we could have made was retreat and let the other side win. Although their democracy isn't perfect like ours, at least they're not controlled by a madman and hopefully they'll become a great nation. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the United States, just to let you know.
Now if we were to go into the details on how the Iraq War was handled then yes, our leaders (and congress, Democrat and Republican) deserve most of the blame. The way they handled the war was laughable. Everyone likes to compare Iraq to Vietnam but what they don't understand is that Vietnam was lost not because we were losing. In fact, we were winning. The problem was how our political leaders handled the war through micromanagement but also the media coverage that painted a grim picture of Vietnam and the same with Iraq even though our casualties are far less than that of Vietnam and even D-Day.
There's no doubt that war is a terrible thing but sometimes necessary to defend our way of life, no matter how imperfect it may be. The problem is the cheapening of the concept of war and the politicization of war.
As for the draft, 99% it will never happen. The all-volunteer force is much more reliable and more efficient. Also, all services have reached their highest level in recruiting. The only way there will be a draft is if we go in an all-out nuclear war with a country like Russia or China which will never happen.
And finally, this isn't the last we'll see of war because there is always going to be a conflict. It's a fact of life.
If Bush wanted oil, he could have just bribed his way through Saddam Hussein just like the French, the Chinese, and the Russians. We can argue whether the Iraq War was a mistake or not but the biggest mistake we could have made was retreat and let the other side win. Although their democracy isn't perfect like ours, at least they're not controlled by a madman and hopefully they'll become a great nation. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the United States, just to let you know.
Now if we were to go into the details on how the Iraq War was handled then yes, our leaders (and congress, Democrat and Republican) deserve most of the blame. The way they handled the war was laughable. Everyone likes to compare Iraq to Vietnam but what they don't understand is that Vietnam was lost not because we were losing. In fact, we were winning. The problem was how our political leaders handled the war through micromanagement but also the media coverage that painted a grim picture of Vietnam and the same with Iraq even though our casualties are far less than that of Vietnam and even D-Day.
There's no doubt that war is a terrible thing but sometimes necessary to defend our way of life, no matter how imperfect it may be. The problem is the cheapening of the concept of war and the politicization of war.
As for the draft, 99% it will never happen. The all-volunteer force is much more reliable and more efficient. Also, all services have reached their highest level in recruiting. The only way there will be a draft is if we go in an all-out nuclear war with a country like Russia or China which will never happen.
And finally, this isn't the last we'll see of war because there is always going to be a conflict. It's a fact of life.
leviathan91
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
If Bush wanted oil, he could have just bribed his way through Saddam Hussein just like the French, the Chinese, and the Russians. We can argue whether the Iraq War was a mistake or not but the biggest mistake we could have made was retreat and let the other side win. Although their democracy isn't perfect like ours, at least they're not controlled by a madman and hopefully they'll become a great nation. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the United States, just to let you know.
Now if we were to go into the details on how the Iraq War was handled then yes, our leaders (and congress, Democrat and Republican) deserve most of the blame. The way they handled the war was laughable. Everyone likes to compare Iraq to Vietnam but what they don't understand is that Vietnam was lost not because we were losing. In fact, we were winning. The problem was how our political leaders handled the war through micromanagement but also the media coverage that painted a grim picture of Vietnam and the same with Iraq even though our casualties are far less than that of Vietnam and even D-Day.
There's no doubt that war is a terrible thing but sometimes necessary to defend our way of life, no matter how imperfect it may be. The problem is the cheapening of the concept of war and the politicization of war.
As for the draft, 99% it will never happen. The all-volunteer force is much more reliable and more efficient. Also, all services have reached their highest level in recruiting. The only way there will be a draft is if we go in an all-out nuclear war with a country like Russia or China which will never happen.
And finally, this isn't the last we'll see of war because there is always going to be a conflict. It's a fact of life.
wis3boi
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
-2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take.[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
LOXO7
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
-2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take.We had an enemy in Vietnam. They were the North Vietnamese Army. :| Let me rephrase what I stated earlier: We could have won Vietnam if there wasn't so much political micromanaging of the war. Also, the difference between the media coverage of WWII and Vietnam was that all the News Stations agreed to air certain news about World War II. It was basically self-censorship. As for Vietnam, the media coverage was biased. You even had Walter Cronkite announcing that Vietnam wasn't winnable but also, with scenes of the destruction of Asia and our men in body bags did influence a lot of people to evade the draft and protest. The media coverage wasn't favorable and even certain celebrities went to great lengths to actually portray the NVA as good people. Remember Hanoi Jane?
While the media did talk about how America could save Iraq, it also went on to exaggerate the war as a qaugmire. Also, it is incredibly stupid to think that we went to war against these countries simply for their resources. Again, if we wanted oil from Iraq, we would have done what the French, the Chinese, and the Russians have always been doing - Taking advantage of the Oil-for-Food program. And what did Vietnam have? Absolutely nothing and we still went to war to contain communism.
My Sid Maier war weariness is too high.
[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Well, who in the world would want to join USA army after everyone got duped and lied to? No one, I would hope....
Some people suggest that the president could invoke the military draft once again if the situation in the Middle East continues to escalate(and it seems that it is....) due to the National Emergency that he declared not to long ago where he exemplifies his concern over the nuclear proliferation of the Russian Federation.
[quote="White House"]...
In the Executive Order I have issued today, I find that the risk of nuclear proliferation created by the accumulation in the Russian Federation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material continues to constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. I therefore declared a national emergency to address this threat and to continue the blocking of all property and interests in property of the Government of the Russian Federation directly related to the implementation of the HEU Agreements.
A major national security goal of the United States is to ensure that fissile material removed from Russian nuclear weapons pursuant to various arms control and disarmament agreements is dedicated to peaceful uses, subject to transparency measures, and protected from diversion to activities of proliferation concern. The United States and the Russian Federation entered into an international agreement in February 1993 to deal with these issues as they relate to the disposition of HEU extracted from Russian nuclear weapons (the "HEU Agreement"). The HEU Agreement provides for 500 metric tons of HEU to be converted to LEU over a 20-year period. This is the equivalent of 20,000 nuclear warheads.
...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/letter-russian-highly-enriched-uraniumBrozekial
If it comes down to a draft, I'd rather get charged with treason and go thru hell while being "interogated" then to fight for the interest of coporate entities.
I think that I'd just be a deserter if that happened. I wouldn't mind some free training and a gun. I'll just take that gun and gtfo as soon as I can manage a swift escape.With less than one in four people qualified to enlist under today's enlistment standards and the military possibly involuntarily separating over 100,000 troops over the next five years nothing short of an invasion of US soil by an opposing military force will cause the draft to return right now. And if an invading army isn't enough for you to consider defending the country with your families at risk you probably have some issues.
Also, the penalty for refusing induction is much less than the penalty of desertion. Refusing induction would usually get you five years and a fine, but desertion could possibly get you the death penalty in a time of war. Not to mention it's so easy to disqualify yourself from military service I don't even know why people say they will run when they could just Google disqualifications for military service and use one of them.
lots of people died for nothing in the iraq war, its a damn shame
I wasn't aware parents had the power to force their kids to go to war.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
If Bush wanted oil, he could have just bribed his way through Saddam Hussein just like the French, the Chinese, and the Russians. We can argue whether the Iraq War was a mistake or not but the biggest mistake we could have made was retreat and let the other side win. Although their democracy isn't perfect like ours, at least they're not controlled by a madman and hopefully they'll become a great nation. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the United States, just to let you know.
Now if we were to go into the details on how the Iraq War was handled then yes, our leaders (and congress, Democrat and Republican) deserve most of the blame. The way they handled the war was laughable. Everyone likes to compare Iraq to Vietnam but what they don't understand is that Vietnam was lost not because we were losing. In fact, we were winning. The problem was how our political leaders handled the war through micromanagement but also the media coverage that painted a grim picture of Vietnam and the same with Iraq even though our casualties are far less than that of Vietnam and even D-Day.
There's no doubt that war is a terrible thing but sometimes necessary to defend our way of life, no matter how imperfect it may be. The problem is the cheapening of the concept of war and the politicization of war.
As for the draft, 99% it will never happen. The all-volunteer force is much more reliable and more efficient. Also, all services have reached their highest level in recruiting. The only way there will be a draft is if we go in an all-out nuclear war with a country like Russia or China which will never happen.
And finally, this isn't the last we'll see of war because there is always going to be a conflict. It's a fact of life.
LOXO7
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
-2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take. Vietnam was certainly being won by any objective measurement. Vietnam was lost because of domestic leftists who created a false narrative of an "unwinnable war", which steadily grew in the American collective consciousness. Without strong political leadership to correct this false narrative, America's politics, poisoned by leftism, chose to withdraw and hand victory to the decimated communists. The last book I read that touched on this was Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society", where Cronkite and other leftist media personalities during this time are cited as historical illustrations of the phenomenon of "professional thinkers" promoting disastrous decisions while being unaccountable for their influence.Vietnam was certainly being won by any objective measurement. Vietnam was lost because of domestic leftists who created a false narrative of an "unwinnable war", which steadily grew in the American collective consciousness. Without strong political leadership to correct this false narrative, America's politics, poisoned by leftism, chose to withdraw and hand victory to the decimated communists. The last book I read that touched on this was Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society", where Cronkite and other leftist media personalities during this time are cited as historical illustrations of the phenomenon of "professional thinkers" promoting disastrous decisions while being unaccountable for their influence. kraychik
Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.
[QUOTE="LOXO7"]-2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take. Vietnam was certainly being won by any objective measurement. Vietnam was lost because of domestic leftists who created a false narrative of an "unwinnable war", which steadily grew in the American collective consciousness. Without strong political leadership to correct this false narrative, America's politics, poisoned by leftism, chose to withdraw and hand victory to the decimated communists. The last book I read that touched on this was Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society", where Cronkite and other leftist media personalities during this time are cited as historical illustrations of the phenomenon of "professional thinkers" promoting disastrous decisions while being unaccountable for their influence. I see the spirit of the stab in the back myth continues to live on.[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
kraychik
I remember in high school they had marine and army recruiters on site, they got many kids to sign up when they turned 18. They get them in other ways like they offer pizza parties and give out free stuff like shirts, games ect...to kids throughout their high school years and when they turn 18 they get them to sign up.
I volunteer at an animal shelter, I can't be drafted anymore because of that. So no worries there, but I think the military will always have people willing to sign up, if not they would pull out the draft.
I'm not anti-military or anything like that, it's good for some people and our troops are brave men and women. But I don't think we should be going around starting all these wars, only good thing to come out of Iraq was killing Saddam who was a brutal tyrant, but we made a bigger mess of things then we should have.
We should have just left it alone, we don't go to wars to help people, we only get involved if it's in our own best interest to do so.
Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.DroidPhysXwhy do you hate America so much?
[QUOTE="LOXO7"]-2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take. Vietnam was certainly being won by any objective measurement. Vietnam was lost because of domestic leftists who created a false narrative of an "unwinnable war", which steadily grew in the American collective consciousness. Without strong political leadership to correct this false narrative, America's politics, poisoned by leftism, chose to withdraw and hand victory to the decimated communists. The last book I read that touched on this was Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society", where Cronkite and other leftist media personalities during this time are cited as historical illustrations of the phenomenon of "professional thinkers" promoting disastrous decisions while being unaccountable for their influence.[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
+1
It's too bad war can't be treated like it was before TV. Leave the media coverage out of it, might help things I think. Conflict will always be happening, yet this constant media coverage I think ruins it. It probably doesn't help the soldiers fighting over there when everyone at home is crying over it and saying it's a stupid war now that they have a front row seat. One person gets killed and it's like riots start....if only some people realized the thousands who died in a day's time in WW2, for example. But people back then didn't know that right away because the media wasn't filming the battles and putting it on tv every night. Happy people at home can bring better hope and morale to soldiers on the front. Maybe it would work, maybe not, I'm just taking a guess.
kraychik
Dude we lost vietnam, plain and simple. Many people were against, both "leftists" and some conservatives, it would be scary to live back then. Imagine your in high school about to graduate and you just turned 18, here comes the government to ship you off to a war zone where you are going to die, and you have no say in the matter.
That's why a lot of people were against it, both young and old, both liberal and conservative, the country as a whole was against it. The hippies may have brought some bad things in like the drug culture, but they did some good too. And going against the vietnam war and the draft was the right thing to do. It's a shame though that some of them attacked the troops and called them baby killers, that was wrong.
No one cares about the troops though, not really. Not in Vietnam and I hate to say it but not the Iraq or Afghanistan veterans either. The government doesn't care about them, they treat them like pawns and expect them to die. Also why are you so against "the left" or why do you bring that phrase up all the time. Liberal is a very broad term, there are different groups of liberals, you can't generalise all of them. Same goes for conservatives.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.kraychikwhy do you hate America so much? Who cares? His insecurity is funny. i think he should go back to his home country of Macedonia... I heard it's much better there :P
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.kingkong0124why do you hate America so much? He's trying to fit in. Been his goal since he started posting here. Definitely not someone that can stand alone....
Vietnam was certainly being won by any objective measurement. Vietnam was lost because of domestic leftists who created a false narrative of an "unwinnable war", which steadily grew in the American collective consciousness. Without strong political leadership to correct this false narrative, America's politics, poisoned by leftism, chose to withdraw and hand victory to the decimated communists. The last book I read that touched on this was Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society", where Cronkite and other leftist media personalities during this time are cited as historical illustrations of the phenomenon of "professional thinkers" promoting disastrous decisions while being unaccountable for their influence.[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] -2. Learn some history. We weren't winning Vietnam. At least WW2 had an enemy. The media doesn't cover wars. They cover riots in countries the US isn't in. "Lets talk about how America can save these countries." Oh, and they're the only countries with some natural resource to take.
ShadowMoses900
Dude we lost vietnam, plain and simple. Many people were against, both "leftists" and some conservatives, it would be scary to live back then. Imagine your in high school about to graduate and you just turned 18, here comes the government to ship you off to a war zone where you are going to die, and you have no say in the matter.
That's why a lot of people were against it, both young and old, both liberal and conservative, the country as a whole was against it. The hippies may have brought some bad things in like the drug culture, but they did some good too. And going against the vietnam war and the draft was the right thing to do. It's a shame though that some of them attacked the troops and called them baby killers, that was wrong.
No one cares about the troops though, not really. Not in Vietnam and I hate to say it but not the Iraq or Afghanistan veterans either. The government doesn't care about them, they treat them like pawns and expect them to die. Also why are you so against "the left" or why do you bring that phrase up all the time. Liberal is a very broad term, there are different groups of liberals, you can't generalise all of them. Same goes for conservatives.
Of course Vietnam was lost. Who says otherwise? That doesn't mean the USA would not have won the war had it not been for leftists misrepresenting the war as being military failure after military failure (America won every major engagement of the war, militarily), and being "unwinnable". So the government buckled under the growing "anti-war" pressure that was manufactured by the leftist agitators, and withdrew from Vietnam, handing the territory over to the communists. The Vietnamese political and military leadership acknowledged that their forces were decimated and their resources consumed - they were on the verge of collapse, but they secured victory through domestic leftist propagandization. Jane Fonda, for example, was a huge propaganda coup for them.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.LJS9502_basicwhy do you hate America so much? He's trying to fit in. Been his goal since he started posting here. Definitely not someone that can stand alone....
A lot of users on here do that, they often go with what the majority (or at least what they see as majority) view is because it's hard for them to be in the minority. Usually the people that do this are younger users, it's easy to see who is an adult and who isn't.
I like Droid, we butt heads on more than one occasion, but that's what makes life fun. But if you want peoples respect you need to respect yourself, if your can't stand on your own then you can't truly stand for anything.
?Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.?-Dr Suess.
Sure he is for kids, but there is truth in there. Here's another one:
"If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good."-Thomas J. Watson
"Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion."
Charles Kuralt
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
John F. Kennedy
How far would MLK Jr. have gotten if he didn't go against the grain?
This. Here the Navy had to STOP accepting applications because they're booked for the next 5 years! They probably stopped accepting because of cutbacks. So many people currently in the Navy are being told to pack up and go home because of the cutbacks.[QUOTE="airshocker"]
No they won't.
In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.LJS9502_basicwhy do you hate America so much? He's trying to fit in. Been his goal since he started posting here. Definitely not someone that can stand alone.... This is very true..I've never seen him take an unpopular position on almost anything and he always makes small little side comments during discussions.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Damn. When will Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong finally get due credit for kicking the U.S. militarys ass over and over again.kraychikwhy do you hate America so much? Who cares? His insecurity is funny.
relax kraychick
its ok to admit the failures of the U.S. military
dont be so insecure about it
Who cares? His insecurity is funny.[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] why do you hate America so much? DroidPhysX
relax kraychick
its ok to admit the failures of the U.S. military
dont be so insecure about it
have your jimmies been rustled?[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kraychik"] Who cares? His insecurity is funny. kingkong0124
relax kraychick
its ok to admit the failures of the U.S. military
dont be so insecure about it
have your jimmies been rustled? no yes maybe idkhave your jimmies been rustled? no yes maybe idk first denial, then acceptance. hold my hand and i will help you through this.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
relax kraychick
its ok to admit the failures of the U.S. military
dont be so insecure about it
DroidPhysX
Droid is a sad little person. -Sun_Tzu-just like you
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]no yes maybe idk first denial, then acceptance. hold my hand and i will help you through this.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] have your jimmies been rustled? kingkong0124
but..you're my alt... :?
just like you I'm not little I am average height. sucks broseph[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Droid is a sad little person. -Sun_Tzu-
just like you I'm not little I am average height. 5"3?[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Droid is a sad little person. -Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm not little I am average height.-Sun_Tzu-5"3? No I am taller than 5 inches 5"8?
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