US-held terror suspects 'abused'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7462548.stm

I wonder why it's always the BBC that reports these stories, but not our own media...

Medical examinations of former terror suspects held by US troops showed proof of physical and psychological torture, a US-based human rights group said.

The Physicians for Human Rights group cited beatings, sexual abuse, electric shock, isolation and forced nakedness.

It said the 11 men - all freed without charge from US military jails in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay - were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

The White House maintains that the US has treated all detainees humanely.

Trauma

The 121-page report said the medical examinations provided "evidence of violation of criminal laws prohibiting torture and of the commission of war crimes by US personnel".

It said that since only 11 detainees were examined the findings could not be "generalised to the treatment of all detainees in US custody".

But it said the evidence was consistent with the findings of other investigations "making it reasonable to conclude that these detainees were not the only ones abused, but are representative of a much larger number of detainees subjected to torture and ill treatment".

The group drew their conclusions from two-day clinical evaluations of each of the men.

Four of the men, arrested in Afghanistan between 2001 and 2003, spent about three years at Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba before being released without charge.

The remaining seven were detained in Iraq in 2003 and were held at Abu Ghraib prison, until their release later that year or in 2004.

One of the doctors, Allen Keller, said: "As a physician with more than 15 years of experience evaluating and caring for torture victims from all over the world, the torture and abuse these men were subjected to in Abu Ghraib and the resulting trauma are second to none."bbc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7462548.stm

I wonder why it's always the BBC that reports these stories, but not our own media..

rimnet00

Because US media is trash and run by big money....

TC, you find it hard to believe that it's true?bluezy

Of course not, my question above was rhetorical. haha.

I saw this today; what is there to discus?

The government will fire some people, clam they acted without orders and the story will get pushed under the rug.

TC, you find it hard to believe that it's true?bluezy

Nah, I think he's hinting at possible censorship in the American media, which is why you hear such a story from the BBC.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7462548.stm

I wonder why it's always the BBC that reports these stories, but not our own media..

enjoi_your_day

Because US media is trash and run by big money....

Actually, it's because the BBC is an incredibly biased source of information, as is the case with this "story".

Here's a question I pose for all the "US SuCkS!" kool aid drinkers out there: Have any of you actually BEEN to gitmo?

I've seen the conditions of Gitmo. I've had many friends stationed there. It's nothing like what the leftist run media would have you believe. Wake up to the lie people.

Big Whoop.

They're lucky to be alive.

ABUSED??!!! GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK!!!

The soldier was clearing trying to introduce his dog to the prisoner.

See.....everyone is happy! :D

^^^Dogs are anti-war and anti-bush. :P

[QUOTE="enjoi_your_day"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7462548.stm

I wonder why it's always the BBC that reports these stories, but not our own media..

MarineJcksn

Because US media is trash and run by big money....

Actually, it's because the BBC is an incredibly biased source of information, as is the case with this "story".

Here's a question I pose for all the "US SuCkS!" kool aid drinkers out there: Have any of you actually BEEN to gitmo?

I've seen the conditions of Gitmo. I've had many friends stationed there. It's nothing like what the leftist run media would have you believe. Wake up to the lie people.

No...it's not because it's biased :lol: It has actually been accused of being too pro-American and pro-Israeli...

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="enjoi_your_day"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7462548.stm

I wonder why it's always the BBC that reports these stories, but not our own media..

jointed

Because US media is trash and run by big money....

Actually, it's because the BBC is an incredibly biased source of information, as is the case with this "story".

Here's a question I pose for all the "US SuCkS!" kool aid drinkers out there: Have any of you actually BEEN to gitmo?

I've seen the conditions of Gitmo. I've had many friends stationed there. It's nothing like what the leftist run media would have you believe. Wake up to the lie people.

No...it's not because it's biased :lol: It has actually been accused of being too pro-American and pro-Israeli...

I've seen that also. It just brings my **** to a boil to hear so many misinformed sheeple follow along with this BS idea that we're torturing people. We aren't. Waterboarding (which has been used less then 5 times, it's proven) is not torture. IMO, Using dogs to intimidate is not torture, Aiming loaded weapons at an individual and threatening to fire is not torture, I've been subject to means of extreme interigation where you FEEL like you're going to be killed, and the tactic works for extracting information.

Torture is attaching electrical cables to a guy's *****.

What the touchy-feely, peaceloveharmony crowd doesn't seem to understand is that we're at mother******* WAR right now.

ABUSED??!!! GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK!!!

The soldier was clearing trying to introduce his dog to the prisoner.

See.....everyone is happy! :D

^^^Dogs are anti-war and anti-bush. :P

ParadiseAwaits

[QUOTE="bluezy"]TC, you find it hard to believe that it's true?BlackAlpha666

Nah, I think he's hinting at possible censorship in the American media, which is why you hear such a story from the BBC.

It gets reported on in the states, its just that Americans prefer to hear about Hollywood gossip more than they do about real news. And since American news corporations treat the news as an entertainment show rather than a journalistic endeavor you end up with this stuff relegated to a 10 word sentence on a news ticker at the bottom of the screen. That said, if you get your news from more reputable news outlets like The New York Times and NPR you'll hear quite a lot about this kind of stuff.

Ya America terrifies me. locopatho

So now US troops = America?

Does anyone really give a crap. I mean really, do you care if there being abused or not? I don't. I'm more worried about congress destorying the US from the inside then I am of terror suspects possibly being abused thousands of miles a way who probably deserve it. Just my opinion.4seal

I think if you live in Florida it's not thousands of miles away.

Does anyone really give a crap. I mean really, do you care if there being abused or not? I don't. I'm more worried about congress destorying the US from the inside then I am of terror suspects possibly being abused thousands of miles a way who probably deserve it. Just my opinion.4seal

Yeah, they are terrorists that deserve to die, that is why the US government is letting them go. (partially sarcasm)

this may be offensive but torturing or abusing terroris or terrorist prisoners should be allowed. Seriously,i don't even consider terrorist people and why they be traeted as such. beat the unfo out of them to get what is neede......spanish inquisitiion worked

All of these people were released with no charges.

If they're trying to kill us, then who cares? remmbermytitans

They were released with no charges. Read the article. There are plenty of people who were and are innocent in gitmo.

Does anyone really give a crap. I mean really, do you care if there being abused or not? I don't. I'm more worried about congress destorying the US from the inside then I am of terror suspects possibly being abused thousands of miles a way who probably deserve it. Just my opinion.4seal

yeah just like I dont care care about 9/11 and the people who died in it....OOOPS

Does anyone really give a crap. I mean really, do you care if there being abused or not? I don't. I'm more worried about congress destorying the US from the inside then I am of terror suspects possibly being abused thousands of miles a way who probably deserve it. Just my opinion.4seal

[QUOTE="4seal"]Does anyone really give a crap. I mean really, do you care if there being abused or not? I don't. I'm more worried about congress destorying the US from the inside then I am of terror suspects possibly being abused thousands of miles a way who probably deserve it. Just my opinion.mingo123

yeah just like I dont care care about 9/11 and the people who died in it....OOOPS

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Ya America terrifies me. Berzz

So now US troops = America?

Don't be so quick to blame US soldiers, if you are against American foreign policy.

The USA is a democracy -- the people elect the politicians; the politicians tell the soldiers what to do; the soldiers do it.

[QUOTE="Berzz"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Ya America terrifies me. MetalGear_Ninty

So now US troops = America?

Don't be so quick to blame US soldiers, if you are against American foreign policy.

The USA is a democracy -- the people elect the politicians; the politicians tell the soldiers what to do; the soldiers do it.

THANK YOU. I couldn't have said it better myself. Don't blame this Marine, I'm just following orders.

While it is sad that there are accusations of torture from those recently released from Gitmo, I wouldn't follow it too closely. It's hard to know exactly what is true and what isn't in the media these days... I don't care where it comes from.

You must also take into account that for whatever reason, these men were held against their will. They were POWs and they would naturally show anger and resentment towards those who detained them. Some claims of torture could be legit for all I know, but those claims could also be constructed to cast the seeds of doubt and anger into the media so the rest of the world will get ideas in their heads.

I must also point out, that if we did torture any terrorists that were guilty of terroristic acts, is it not the least they deserve? Look at what they do to U.S. soldiers when they are captured. Hell, they broadcasted beheading after beheading for the longest time on the Al-Jazira (or however you spell it) TV network. I, for one, believe in the whole, "innocent until proven guilty," thing, but in this rather unconventional war we have gotten ourselves into, it's not always that simple. Mistakes are made... That's a given. Does that make it right? No. However, in times of war, these things happen.

I don't know what's true or not, but I certainly don't believe that U.S. troops are going out of their way to torture prisoners. I know far too many servicemen, and they are strictly instructed NOT to harm prisoners.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Berzz"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Ya America terrifies me. MarineJcksn

So now US troops = America?

Don't be so quick to blame US soldiers, if you are against American foreign policy.

The USA is a democracy -- the people elect the politicians; the politicians tell the soldiers what to do; the soldiers do it.

THANK YOU. I couldn't have said it better myself. Don't blame this Marine, I'm just following orders.

The U.S. is more of a republic, but close enough. I'm just nit-picking now. :p

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Berzz"][QUOTE="locopatho"]tsb247

The U.S. is more of a republic, but close enough. I'm just nit-picking now. :p

You are correct Sir! I'm glad too that people understand that the lower men & women of the enlisted ranks (like myself, I'm a Sergeant) really just follow the orders we receive and don't have that much of a say in our policies on the war.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Berzz"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Ya America terrifies me. MarineJcksn

So now US troops = America?

Don't be so quick to blame US soldiers, if you are against American foreign policy.

The USA is a democracy -- the people elect the politicians; the politicians tell the soldiers what to do; the soldiers do it.

THANK YOU. I couldn't have said it better myself. Don't blame this Marine, I'm just following orders.

This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?RiSkyBiZ-13

I rather have my throat slit, which almost immediately takes my life, rather then being tortured. I think most people would. Why do you think torture works?

The information they are getting out of these interrogators? What information? Do you know how many people are in Gitmo? How many have already been released, after, being tortured, and then being told they were innocent. Including British and US citizens. Do you understand why torture is violation of the Geneva conventions?

This isn't about the soldiers. The soldiers are told what to do, and they do it. They have to, as they essentially sell their lives to the government upon enlistment. They become trained killers, and they are good at it. However, they are not to blame. The damn government is.

So, when you see threads like this, use some common sense and realize that is the governmental policies that are being criticized. Even when it is a solider to blame, as the solider who commited the crime was under command of people who wear suits and smokes cigars.

This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?RiSkyBiZ-13

But they were not terrorists! most of the people, just like the ones in the article were released without charge, they didnt do anything, yet they get tortured and abused for nothing

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?rimnet00

I rather have my throat slit, which almost immediately takes my life, rather then being tortured. I think most people would. Why do you think torture works?

The information they are getting out of these interrogators? What information? Do you know how many people are in Gitmo? How many have already been released, after, being tortured, and then being told they were innocent. Including British and US citizens. Do you understand why torture is violation of the Geneva conventions?

This isn't about the soldiers. The soldiers are told what to do, and they do it. They have to, as they essentially sell their lives to the government upon enlistment. They become trained killers, and they are good at it. However, they are not to blame. The damn government is.

So, when you see threads like this, use some common sense and realize that is the governmental policies that are being criticized. Even when it is a solider to blame, as the solider who commited the crime was under command of people who wear suits and smokes cigars.

Are you serious that you would rather die than be tortured -- I seriously find that hard to believe -- but if that is what you believe, than who am I to disagree?

And again, I just don't take this oligarchical, aristocratic view of politicans, in a democratic society, politicians are merely representatives of the people.

This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?RiSkyBiZ-13

Risky, I proudly salute you. Thanks for understanding what we're really going through over there, and cutting through the BS that our media pours out. The last sentance you wrote shows me you've picked up on the nice little tidbit of how the younger generation is encouraged to route for the enemy and bash the country.

Side note, today may be my last day posting for a while, I leave for Iraq this weekend. Thanks for the support and good times everybody!

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?MarineJcksn

Risky, I proudly salute you. Thanks for understanding what we're really going through over there, and cutting through the BS that our media pours out. The last sentance you wrote shows me you've picked up on the nice little tidbit of how the younger generation is encouraged to route for the enemy and bash the country.

Side note, today may be my last day posting for a while, I leave for Iraq this weekend. Thanks for the support and good times everybody!

Well, that is what war is, it's a complicated matter. You are affecting many lives, that is why people who are no soldiers also have a say in this. They have their own opinion and they might not agree with you - Deal with it.

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?rimnet00

I rather have my throat slit, which almost immediately takes my life, rather then being tortured. I think most people would. Why do you think torture works?

The information they are getting out of these interrogators? What information? Do you know how many people are in Gitmo? How many have already been released, after, being tortured, and then being told they were innocent. Including British and US citizens. Do you understand why torture is violation of the Geneva conventions?

This isn't about the soldiers. The soldiers are told what to do, and they do it. They have to, as they essentially sell their lives to the government upon enlistment. They become trained killers, and they are good at it. However, they are not to blame. The damn government is.

So, when you see threads like this, use some common sense and realize that is the governmental policies that are being criticized. Even when it is a solider to blame, as the solider who commited the crime was under command of people who wear suits and smokes cigars.

Are Us troops not privy to the rights of a soldier?

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?MetalGear_Ninty

I rather have my throat slit, which almost immediately takes my life, rather then being tortured. I think most people would. Why do you think torture works?

The information they are getting out of these interrogators? What information? Do you know how many people are in Gitmo? How many have already been released, after, being tortured, and then being told they were innocent. Including British and US citizens. Do you understand why torture is violation of the Geneva conventions?

This isn't about the soldiers. The soldiers are told what to do, and they do it. They have to, as they essentially sell their lives to the government upon enlistment. They become trained killers, and they are good at it. However, they are not to blame. The damn government is.

So, when you see threads like this, use some common sense and realize that is the governmental policies that are being criticized. Even when it is a solider to blame, as the solider who commited the crime was under command of people who wear suits and smokes cigars.

Are you serious that you would rather die than be tortured -- I seriously find that hard to believe -- but if that is what you believe, than who am I to disagree?

I have been in a torture simulation and it was the most horrible experience of my life. If it were for real, i'd rather die.

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]This "abusing prisoner" thing is just another reason why this "war" is so messed up. Soldiers have to try and act like policemen, discerning the good guys from the bad guys. They are charged with crimes if they mess up and hit the wrong person, or if some innocent bystander gets in the crossfire when a terrorist takes pot shots at them with his AK. The media has been all over the alleged "abuse" of PRISONERS OF WAR which is total BS, by the way. When terrorists capture our troops, they slit their throats on live TV like animals. If we do so much as lay a hand on a terror suspect, the media blows it up and everyone is all upset about these poor unfortunate terrorists. The information that interrogators are getting out of these suspects are saving lives, not only soldier's lives but Americans as well. Why does it seem like everyone wants to be on the terrorists' team?MarineJcksn

Risky, I proudly salute you. Thanks for understanding what we're really going through over there, and cutting through the BS that our media pours out. The last sentance you wrote shows me you've picked up on the nice little tidbit of how the younger generation is encouraged to route for the enemy and bash the country.

Side note, today may be my last day posting for a while, I leave for Iraq this weekend. Thanks for the support and good times everybody!

I salute you!

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Berzz"][QUOTE="locopatho"]PannicAtack

You've got it exactly right Panic, under the UCMJ the unit Commanding Officer can be held responsible for the actions of the military members in his or her unit.

It happens all the time in the Military, look up LtCol Jeffrey Chessani and the murder trial he faced for the Iraqi deaths at Haditha.