V6 Mustang yay or nay?

I used to drive a '69 with a 200 inline 6, it got about 19 mpg and looked way better than these crappy newer mustangs.

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NO

Some have said recent-ish ones are okay, but haven't looked into 'em, personally.

Also, hartsick has SURPRISINGLY GOOD posts in car threads.

Is he fvcking with us everywhere else?

Conspiracy about conspiracies.

Zeviander is almost as bad at cars as he is at science.

inb4 2-door, fusion powered cars as the future of humanity.

TC, your question is best answered with another question.

[spoiler] Do you have a vagina [/spoiler]

TC, your question is best answered with another question.

[spoiler] Do you have a vagina [/spoiler]

SUD123456

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Only post ITT that matters

Could prob be used in any thread which asks a question, now that I think about it.

"Should I vote Democrat?"

"Should I ask this girl out?"

"Should I kick this dude in the face?"

etc.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Get a VW GTI. I get 21 city 30 hwy MPG, and run 13's in the 1/4 mile.! hartsickdiscipl

There's no stock GTI sold in the US that runs even close to 13's. High 14's/low 15's is what we get.

inb4 2-door, fusion powered cars as the future of humanity.coolbeans90

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Get a VW GTI. I get 21 city 30 hwy MPG, and run 13's in the 1/4 mile.! DevilMightCry

There's no stock GTI sold in the US that runs even close to 13's. High 14's/low 15's is what we get.

I didn't think we were talking about modified cars. That's a huge gain in speed for a relatively small investment.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]There was no "strawmanning" here. You stated that 2+2's are the dumbest cars ever. I then listed multiple significant and great 2+2 cars, which manage to be iconic, beautiful, and great cars despite having what you obviously view as a disadvantage. Just give it up man. Zeviander

Practicality and efficiency are secondary or tertiary concerns for a real car nut. It's about the soul of the car and how it compares with it's competition.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]inb4 2-door, fusion powered cars as the future of humanity.Zeviander

imagine dat 0-60

Practicality and efficiency are secondary or tertiary concerns for a real car nut. It's about the soul of the car and how it compares with it's competition. hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

There's no stock GTI sold in the US that runs even close to 13's. High 14's/low 15's is what we get.

hartsickdiscipl

I didn't think we were talking about modified cars. That's a huge gain in speed for a relatively small investment.

imagine dat 0-60coolbeans90

Do NOT get an 03-04 (or any in that generation) V6 mustang. I had one. They're dog slow and get HORRIBLE mileage. I was lucky to get 12mgp out of my 6.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]There was no "strawmanning" here. You stated that 2+2's are the dumbest cars ever. I then listed multiple significant and great 2+2 cars, which manage to be iconic, beautiful, and great cars despite having what you obviously view as a disadvantage. Just give it up man. Zeviander

>Implying your post wasn't rife with fallacies and totally subjective.

>Implying your post wasn't rife with fallacies and totally subjective.GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Duh. I said with a few mods. Mine ran 14.7 stock@92mph. I paid about a $1100 in mods, and ran 13.7@101mph.DevilMightCry

I didn't think we were talking about modified cars. That's a huge gain in speed for a relatively small investment.

You were saying that a GTI is faster than a pre-2011 V6 Mustang, right? Any V8 model Mustang since about 1999 would dust off a stock GTI pretty easily. A stock 2011-13 Mustang V6 runs between a 13.7 and a 14.2 1/4 mile, depending on which rear diff ratio and transmission you buy it with. That's definitely quite a bit quicker than a stock GTI. In fact, it's just as fast as a Golf R for a hell of a lot less money. The Mustang GT comes with a 420hp V8 now, and runs between a 12.6 and 13.0 1/4 mile at 108-111mph stock. That's in a whole different league of speed from anything VW is selling right now. TBH, I don't consider most of the cars that you listed to be "better alternatives" if performance is what he's looking for. Also, a V6 Mustang now gets 29-31mpg highway. I can see why someone would get the WRX, especially in a cold climate or if traveling bad roads. I also have a lot of respect for the Altima because it's a Nissan, and I really like their cars by and large.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]>Implying your post wasn't rife with fallacies and totally subjective.Zeviander

>implying you can invoke strawman when discussing opinions

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Duh. I said with a few mods. Mine ran 14.7 stock@92mph. I paid about a $1100 in mods, and ran 13.7@101mph.DevilMightCry

I didn't think we were talking about modified cars. That's a huge gain in speed for a relatively small investment.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I didn't think we were talking about modified cars. That's a huge gain in speed for a relatively small investment.

FPSunionOWNS

Feel free to get whatever car you want, but don't listen to the guy trying to say that a GTI is faster than a newish V6 Mustang and competitive with a V8 model. He's dreaming.

>implying you can invoke strawman when discussing opinionsGummiRaccoon

>Implying implications

OH LOOK AT ME!

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]>implying you can invoke strawman when discussing opinionsZeviander

Your position was very ignorant. I didn't have to strawman anything. I took examples of cars that are widely regarded as successful and showed that your opinion on 2+2 cars is indicative of someone with a very narrow view. It also showed that you probably have very limited experience in the subject that we were discussing. Bottom line is this- You really don't lose much by having a 2+2 configuration in a road car if it's done right. You gain quite a bit. If you think that's really that stupid, I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Well, even stock, they are faster than the V6 Mustang, and competetive with the V8. Now, the new V6 is very good. I don't know why the TC is stuck on a V6 Mustang, when there are much better alternatives for similar price. WRX, Nissan Altima 3.5, GTI/Jetta GLI, etc...hartsickdiscipl

Feel free to get whatever car you want, but don't listen to the guy trying to say that a GTI is faster than a newish V6 Mustang and competitive with a V8 model. He's dreaming.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]>implying you can invoke strawman when discussing opinionsZeviander

>implying I don't know what strawman is

Your position was very ignorant. I didn't have to strawman anything. I took examples of cars that are widely regarded as successful and showed that your opinion on 2+2 cars is indicative of someone with a very narrow view. It also showed that you probably have very limited experience in the subject that we were discussing. Bottom line is this- You really don't lose much by having a 2+2 configuration in a road car if it's done right. You gain quite a bit. If you think that's really that stupid, I don't know what to tell you.hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"] I am not stuck on the v6 mustang i posted before that pirate made me change my mind with his postDevilMightCry

Feel free to get whatever car you want, but don't listen to the guy trying to say that a GTI is faster than a newish V6 Mustang and competitive with a V8 model. He's dreaming.

I raced at NHRA and IHRA tracks for almost 4 seasons. I've seen dozens of 2-valve 4.6L 260hp Mustang GT's run low 14's and even high 13's stock. They typically trap between 98 and 101mph. That's significantly faster than a 200hp GTI. Anybody who has been to a drag strip and participated in 1/4 mile races knows that anything over about 2 tenths of a second isn't a very close race. Then look at the trap speed difference. That's what tells you how fast a car really is versus another. If a car has a trap speed several MPH higher, it's pulling away pretty hard.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Feel free to get whatever car you want, but don't listen to the guy trying to say that a GTI is faster than a newish V6 Mustang and competitive with a V8 model. He's dreaming.

hartsickdiscipl

I raced at NHRA and IHRA tracks for almost 4 seasons. I've seen dozens of 2-valve 4.6L 260hp Mustang GT's run low 14's and even high 13's stock. They typically trap between 98 and 101mph. That's significantly faster than a 200hp GTI. Anybody who has been to a drag strip and participated in 1/4 mile races knows that anything over about 2 tenths of a second isn't a very close race. Then look at the trap speed difference. That's what tells you how fast a car really is versus another. If a car has a trap speed several MPH higher, it's pulling away pretty hard.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I never said it was faster than the new V6, or the 400+hp V8. I was responding to the models he asked about. Ford has done an excellent job modernizing the new V6, and tge V8. And btw, the GTI is as fast as older V8 GT's, with the 260hp motor. Depending on both drivers skill. I am an avid SCCA and a racetrack driver, so I speak from experience. You'd find very few stock 260hp GT's running low 14's. I raced quite a few stock GT's when my car was stock and I allways was maybe a car at the most behind them. That's relatively close.

DevilMightCry

I raced at NHRA and IHRA tracks for almost 4 seasons. I've seen dozens of 2-valve 4.6L 260hp Mustang GT's run low 14's and even high 13's stock. They typically trap between 98 and 101mph. That's significantly faster than a 200hp GTI. Anybody who has been to a drag strip and participated in 1/4 mile races knows that anything over about 2 tenths of a second isn't a very close race. Then look at the trap speed difference. That's what tells you how fast a car really is versus another. If a car has a trap speed several MPH higher, it's pulling away pretty hard.

Um.. the current Mustang GT already gives the M3 a run for it's money. The Boss 302 spanks it. It would be nice if they shed 300-400lbs, but they are currently the lightest of the pony/muscle car breed. The current Mustang is definitely the best version since the 60's. Smaller displacement? They used to put big blocks displacing over 420 cubic inches in high performance Mustangs. Now the biggest engine is less than 360 cubes (GT500) plus a blower. How can you say "no added benefit?" Since 2011 the Mustang has become a very potent car and much faster than Mustangs of old, while providing decent gas mileage as well. The handling is damn good as well. This is coming from someone whose last car was a 2007 350z.

2011 Mustang GT 5.0 vs BMW M3 on the track-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

Boss 302-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEhnugwzCc

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I raced at NHRA and IHRA tracks for almost 4 seasons. I've seen dozens of 2-valve 4.6L 260hp Mustang GT's run low 14's and even high 13's stock. They typically trap between 98 and 101mph. That's significantly faster than a 200hp GTI. Anybody who has been to a drag strip and participated in 1/4 mile races knows that anything over about 2 tenths of a second isn't a very close race. Then look at the trap speed difference. That's what tells you how fast a car really is versus another. If a car has a trap speed several MPH higher, it's pulling away pretty hard.

hartsickdiscipl

Um.. the current Mustang GT already gives the M3 a run for it's money. The Boss 302 spanks it. It would be nice if they shed 300-400lbs, but they are currently the lightest of the pony/muscle car breed. The current Mustang is definitely the best version since the 60's. Smaller displacement? They used to put big blocks displacing over 420 cubic inches in high performance Mustangs. Now the biggest engine is less than 360 cubes (GT500) plus a blower. How can you say "no added benefit?" Since 2011 the Mustang has become a very potent car and much faster than Mustangs of old, while providing decent gas mileage as well. The handling is damn good as well. This is coming from someone whose last car was a 2007 350z.

2011 Mustang GT 5.0 vs BMW M3 on the track-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

Boss 302-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEhnugwzCc

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Yeah, at 90+ mph it becomes a bigger difference. However, that's still not a good indicator of the overall performance. Passing acceleration, mpg, cost, room, etc. Mustangs have become pigs, since the 90's with no added benefit. Ford should return to a smaller displacement, shed 300+ lbs, and with a killer suspension, and it would give an M3 a run for its money. My perfect Mustang would be a 3100lbs 4.0, 400hp, with roomy interior for 2 passengers. Btw, I owned a 96 Tbird with a T56, and Eaton SC 4.6l running 12's, with full interior. DevilMightCry

Um.. the current Mustang GT already gives the M3 a run for it's money. The Boss 302 spanks it. It would be nice if they shed 300-400lbs, but they are currently the lightest of the pony/muscle car breed. The current Mustang is definitely the best version since the 60's. Smaller displacement? They used to put big blocks displacing over 420 cubic inches in high performance Mustangs. Now the biggest engine is less than 360 cubes (GT500) plus a blower. How can you say "no added benefit?" Since 2011 the Mustang has become a very potent car and much faster than Mustangs of old, while providing decent gas mileage as well. The handling is damn good as well. This is coming from someone whose last car was a 2007 350z.

2011 Mustang GT 5.0 vs BMW M3 on the track-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

Boss 302-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEhnugwzCc

Yeah, new cars are too heavy. No doubt about it. I guess what I'm saying is that Ford has done a hell of a job with the current Mustang (and most of their car lineup), especially in this economy. They have made it the fastest pony/muscle car and a rival/superior to a $60,000 BMW icon in terms of performance while costing much less. Their build quality is far better than it was less than a decade ago. They've done things with a solid axle that most didn't think possible. I'm not trying to bash the GTI... I'm actually a fan. I just think that the Mustang is the best performance bargain out there today.

Well, I still stand by my original point. Stay away from the older V6/V8 stangs, if you can afford the newer V6/V8.DevilMightCry

Yeah, I think I can agree with that. I didn't even consider a Mustang until the 2011's came out.

nay, my best friend has a mustang... You could do better, trust me.

right now im leaning towards a ford crown victioria police interceptor i just test drove one and its beastly.

right now im leaning towards a ford crown victioria police interceptor i just test drove one and its beastly.

FPSunionOWNS

Lol.. They're the same as the regular Crown Vic but with slightly modifiied suspension and better engine cooling for pursuits. They use reinforced wheels that can handle cornering and running things over better too.