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#1 dave123321
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This was posted a while back. So here it is again .

----A group of people with assorted eye colors live on an island. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows the color of their eyes. Every night at midnight, a ferry stops at the island. Any islanders who have figured out the color of their own eyes then leave the island, and the rest stay. Everyone can see everyone else at all times and keeps a count of the number of people they see with each eye color (excluding themselves), but they cannot otherwise communicate. Everyone on the island knows all the rules in this paragraph.

On this island there are 100 blue-eyed people, 100 brown-eyed people, and the Guru (she happens to have green eyes). So any given blue-eyed person can see 100 people with brown eyes and 99 people with blue eyes (and one with green), but that does not tell him his own eye color; as far as he knows the totals could be 101 brown and 99 blue. Or 100 brown, 99 blue, and he could have red eyes.

The Guru is allowed to speak once, on one day in all their endless years on the island. Standing before the islanders, she says the following: "I can see someone with brown eyes"

Who gets to leave , and on what night?

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#2 XilePrincess
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I looked up the answer to this and I still am having trouble with it.
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#3 FragStains
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By doing as little thinking as possible and simply using numbers provided and logic of absolutes I will say that everyone but the guru leaves after 100 days.
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#4 ryrulez
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Can multiple people leave on one day?
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#5 dave123321
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Can multiple people leave on one day?ryrulez
Yes.
By doing as little thinking as possible and simply using numbers provided and logic of absolutes I will say that everyone but the guru leaves after 100 days.FragStains
That would be incorrect.
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#6 ryrulez
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Cool I think I've got it... [spoiler] 100 brown eyed people can leave on the hundredth day... I think. [/spoiler]
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#7 dave123321
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[QUOTE="ryrulez"]Cool I think I've got it... [spoiler] 100 brown eyed people can leave on the hundredth day... I think. [/spoiler]

That would be correct. Can you explain why this is so and why the announcement was needed?
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#9 Gardenpath
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Most definately wrong but,

They would all have guessed years ago because on the first night they could have all said "I have blue eyes" those that did, would go and the rest would have eliminated the fact that their eyes are blue. Then by powers of deduction would be able to keep guessing their own eye colours pretty quickly. They would all heve been gone within a week.

Maybe this is not in the spirit of the riddle. He he

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#10 markop2003
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I've seen this before but you can skip around the proper clever answer by simply realising that they're all obviously idiots which will probably all drown themselves in the first week as they could have just seen their own eye colour in their reflection in the sea.
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#11 dave123321
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Most definately wrong but,

They would all have guessed years ago because on the first night they could have all said "I have blue eyes" those that did, would go and the rest would have eliminated the fact that their eyes are blue. Then by powers of deduction would be able to keep guessing their own eye colours pretty quickly. They would all heve been gone within a week.

Maybe this is not in the spirit of the riddle. He he

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They do not have a way to communicate.
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#12 markop2003
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That would be correct. Can you explain why this is so and why the announcement was needed? dave123321
If the island has enough food for over 100 days then why would everyone want to leave?
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]That would be correct. Can you explain why this is so and why the announcement was needed? markop2003
If the island has enough food for over 100 days then why would everyone want to leave?

Perhaps they left their pets at thier seconed home with limited food. Dead pets are a bummer.

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I'm not sure I got the riddle... there are 201 people on the island right? 100 Brown, 100 blue, and 1 green. Do the islanders know about this info or not? I was confused about the red eyed part...and does the guru speak only once or only once a day?
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#15 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Gardenpath"]

Most definately wrong but,

They would all have guessed years ago because on the first night they could have all said "I have blue eyes" those that did, would go and the rest would have eliminated the fact that their eyes are blue. Then by powers of deduction would be able to keep guessing their own eye colours pretty quickly. They would all heve been gone within a week.

Maybe this is not in the spirit of the riddle. He he

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They do not have a way to communicate.

Then how does the ferryman know what eye colour they think they have? Even if it's telepathy they could convince themselves that they have blue eyes and then if that dosn't work they must have brown eyes, obviously the guru would know she was the guru as she could speak at somepoint.
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#16 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="dave123321"]That would be correct. Can you explain why this is so and why the announcement was needed? dave123321

If the island has enough food for over 100 days then why would everyone want to leave?

Perhaps they left their pets at thier seconed home with limited food. Dead pets are a bummer.

I'm sure the neibours would look after them or they'ld be taken to a shelter after their owners were reported missing.
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#17 dave123321
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I'm not sure I got the riddle... there are 201 people on the island right? 100 Brown, 100 blue, and 1 green. Do the islanders know about this info or not? I was confused about the red eyed part...and does the guru speak only once or only once a day?nintendo-4life
201 people , the islanders are aware of the number of people and all each other's eye color. The guru speaks only the one time. A person could have any eye color (including colors that no one else has).
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Gardenpath"]

Most definately wrong but,

They would all have guessed years ago because on the first night they could have all said "I have blue eyes" those that did, would go and the rest would have eliminated the fact that their eyes are blue. Then by powers of deduction would be able to keep guessing their own eye colours pretty quickly. They would all heve been gone within a week.

Maybe this is not in the spirit of the riddle. He he

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They do not have a way to communicate.

Then how does the ferryman know what eye colour they think they have? Even if it's telepathy they could convince themselves that they have blue eyes and then if that dosn't work they must have brown eyes, obviously the guru would know she was the guru as she could speak at somepoint.

Perhaps their was a witch that put a curse on them that would only allow them to speak to the ferryman after correctly deducing their eye color with 100% air tight logic.
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#19 markop2003
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="dave123321"] They do not have a way to communicate.

Then how does the ferryman know what eye colour they think they have? Even if it's telepathy they could convince themselves that they have blue eyes and then if that dosn't work they must have brown eyes, obviously the guru would know she was the guru as she could speak at somepoint.

Perhaps their was a witch that put a curse on them that would only allow them to speak to the ferryman after correctly deducing their eye color with 100% air tight logic.

Well considering they didn'rt think of just checking their reflection in the sea i don't think they're going to manage any amount of logic no matter how much evidence you provide them with.
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Then how does the ferryman know what eye colour they think they have? Even if it's telepathy they could convince themselves that they have blue eyes and then if that dosn't work they must have brown eyes, obviously the guru would know she was the guru as she could speak at somepoint.

Perhaps their was a witch that put a curse on them that would only allow them to speak to the ferryman after correctly deducing their eye color with 100% air tight logic.

Well considering they didn'rt think of just checking their reflection in the sea i don't think they're going to manage any amount of logic no matter how much evidence you provide them with.

They do deserve to die then. Perhaps by cannibalism and war.
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#21 markop2003
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[QUOTE="dave123321"] They do deserve to die then. Perhaps by cannibalism and war.

And that's the real answer to the riddle :P
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can these people guess or is trial-and-error prohibited?
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#23 dave123321
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can these people guess or is trial-and-error prohibited?nintendo-4life
They have to deduce by 100% airtight logic.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]can these people guess or is trial-and-error prohibited?dave123321
They have deduce by 100% airtight logic.

I cheated -_- ... and i got close but I still don't get it :(
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This was posted a while back. So here it is again .

----A group of people with assorted eye colors live on an island. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows the color of their eyes. Every night at midnight, a ferry stops at the island. Any islanders who have figured out the color of their own eyes then leave the island, and the rest stay. Everyone can see everyone else at all times and keeps a count of the number of people they see with each eye color (excluding themselves), but they cannot otherwise communicate. Everyone on the island knows all the rules in this paragraph.

On this island there are 100 blue-eyed people, 100 brown-eyed people, and the Guru (she happens to have green eyes). So any given blue-eyed person can see 100 people with brown eyes and 99 people with blue eyes (and one with green), but that does not tell him his own eye color; as far as he knows the totals could be 101 brown and 99 blue. Or 100 brown, 99 blue, and he could have red eyes.

The Guru is allowed to speak once, on one day in all their endless years on the island. Standing before the islanders, she says the following: "I can see someone with brown eyes"

Who gets to leave , and on what night?

dave123321

One brown-eyed person can leave once a day for 100 days. Every brown-eyed man can see 99 other brown-eyed men but can't see their own eye color. Yet, they can see 100 blue-eyed men and one green-eyed guru who sees a brown-eyed man; this means that every man on the island has a chance at having brown eyes. By this logic, that one man concludes that he has brown eyes and leaves the island. This is repeated until all the brown-eyed men are gone after 100 days.

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One brown-eyed person can leave once a day for 100 days. Every brown-eyed man can see 99 other brown-eyed men but can't see their own eye color. Yet, they can see 100 blue-eyed men and one green-eyed guru. By this logic, that one man concludes that he has brown eyes and leaves the island. This is repeated until all the brown-eyed men are gone after 100 days.

Theokhoth

Why does he conclude that he has brown eyes? You are on the right track though.

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]

This was posted a while back. So here it is again .

----A group of people with assorted eye colors live on an island. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows the color of their eyes. Every night at midnight, a ferry stops at the island. Any islanders who have figured out the color of their own eyes then leave the island, and the rest stay. Everyone can see everyone else at all times and keeps a count of the number of people they see with each eye color (excluding themselves), but they cannot otherwise communicate. Everyone on the island knows all the rules in this paragraph.

On this island there are 100 blue-eyed people, 100 brown-eyed people, and the Guru (she happens to have green eyes). So any given blue-eyed person can see 100 people with brown eyes and 99 people with blue eyes (and one with green), but that does not tell him his own eye color; as far as he knows the totals could be 101 brown and 99 blue. Or 100 brown, 99 blue, and he could have red eyes.

The Guru is allowed to speak once, on one day in all their endless years on the island. Standing before the islanders, she says the following: "I can see someone with brown eyes"

Who gets to leave , and on what night?

Theokhoth

One brown-eyed person can leave once a day for 100 days. Every brown-eyed man can see 99 other brown-eyed men but can't see their own eye color. Yet, they can see 100 blue-eyed men and one green-eyed guru who sees a brown-eyed man; this means that every man on the island has a chance at having brown eyes. By this logic, that one man concludes that he has brown eyes and leaves the island. This is repeated until all the brown-eyed men are gone after 100 days.

This is what I don't get. Every brown eyed person can see 99 people with brown eyes. Which means the Guru could have seen anyone and said that. That logic would have worked if the brown eyed community were a minority, but as is.... They need to take a chance before the chain starts rolling. 100% airtight logic won't do..

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

One brown-eyed person can leave once a day for 100 days. Every brown-eyed man can see 99 other brown-eyed men but can't see their own eye color. Yet, they can see 100 blue-eyed men and one green-eyed guru. By this logic, that one man concludes that he has brown eyes and leaves the island. This is repeated until all the brown-eyed men are gone after 100 days.

dave123321

Why does he conclude that he has brown eyes? You are on the right track though.

Let's say that there are only two men on the island with brown eyes, and the other 198 men have blue eyes. When the guru speaks, all 200 men will know that at least one man on the island has brown eyes. Now, the two brown-eyed men will be able to see the brown eyes of the other brown-eyed man, but not their own. When they see that the one man with brown eyes is not leaving the island after a day, he realizes that the man does not know his own eye color either. If there are two men with brown eyes, they would have left on Day 2 after the announcement. If the first man with brown eyes did not leave, then he must see someone else with brown eyes: the second man, who then leaves. This is repeated again and again until all 100 brown-eyed men leave the island.
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#30 dave123321
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

One brown-eyed person can leave once a day for 100 days. Every brown-eyed man can see 99 other brown-eyed men but can't see their own eye color. Yet, they can see 100 blue-eyed men and one green-eyed guru. By this logic, that one man concludes that he has brown eyes and leaves the island. This is repeated until all the brown-eyed men are gone after 100 days.

Theokhoth

Why does he conclude that he has brown eyes? You are on the right track though.

Let's say that there are only two men on the island with brown eyes, and the other 198 men have blue eyes. When the guru speaks, all 200 men will know that at least one man on the island has brown eyes. Now, the two brown-eyed men will be able to see the brown eyes of the other brown-eyed man, but not their own. When they see that the one man with brown eyes is not leaving the island after a day, he realizes that the man does not know his own eye color either. If there are two men with brown eyes, they would have left on Day 2 after the announcement. If the first man with brown eyes did not leave, then he must see someone else with brown eyes: the second man, who then leaves. This is repeated again and again until all 100 brown-eyed men leave the island.

That is correct , but are you saying that one person leaves each day or that every brown eyed person leaves the 100th day?
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Let's say that there are only two men on the island with brown eyes, and the other 198 men have blue eyes. When the guru speaks, all 200 men will know that at least one man on the island has brown eyes. Now, the two brown-eyed men will be able to see the brown eyes of the other brown-eyed man, but not their own. When they see that the one man with brown eyes is not leaving the island after a day, he realizes that the man does not know his own eye color either. If there are two men with brown eyes, they would have left on Day 2 after the announcement. If the first man with brown eyes did not leave, then he must see someone else with brown eyes: the second man, who then leaves. This is repeated again and again until all 100 brown-eyed men leave the island.Imperial__Guard

That is correct , but are you saying that one person leaves each day or that every brown eyed person leaves the 100th day?

He's saying every brown eyed person leaves on the 100th day.

Ah , then I misunderstood what he meant. Theo is correct.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Why does he conclude that he has brown eyes? You are on the right track though.

dave123321

Let's say that there are only two men on the island with brown eyes, and the other 198 men have blue eyes. When the guru speaks, all 200 men will know that at least one man on the island has brown eyes. Now, the two brown-eyed men will be able to see the brown eyes of the other brown-eyed man, but not their own. When they see that the one man with brown eyes is not leaving the island after a day, he realizes that the man does not know his own eye color either. If there are two men with brown eyes, they would have left on Day 2 after the announcement. If the first man with brown eyes did not leave, then he must see someone else with brown eyes: the second man, who then leaves. This is repeated again and again until all 100 brown-eyed men leave the island.

That is correct , but are you saying that one person leaves each day or that every brown eyed person leaves the 100th day?

There are 200 men on the island. One of them, a brown-eyed man, can see 99 other brown-eyed men. The same goes for the rest of the brown-eyed men. Since they don't know their own eye color, they watch and wait for all the other brown-eyed men to go. When they do not, they all conclude that they all must see another man with brown eyes, and since all the other people are blue-eyed, the only conclusion must be himself. They all reach this conclusion at the same time, so they all leave on the 100th day.

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There are 200 men on the island. One of them, a brown-eyed man, can see 99 other brown-eyed men. The same goes for the rest of the brown-eyed men. Since they don't know their own eye color, they watch and wait for all the other brown-eyed men to go. When they do not, they all conclude that they all must see another man with brown eyes, and since all the other people are blue-eyed, the only conclusion must be himself. They all reach this conclusion at the same time, so they all leave on the 100th day.Theokhoth
I just misunderstood your first post. I read it as saying that they actually leave one by one . I know the answer already.
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#35 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are 200 men on the island. One of them, a brown-eyed man, can see 99 other brown-eyed men. The same goes for the rest of the brown-eyed men. Since they don't know their own eye color, they watch and wait for all the other brown-eyed men to go. When they do not, they all conclude that they all must see another man with brown eyes, and since all the other people are blue-eyed, the only conclusion must be himself. They all reach this conclusion at the same time, so they all leave on the 100th day.dave123321
I just misunderstood your first post. I read it as saying that they actually leave one by one . I know the answer already.

Just clarifying. :P
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There are 200 men on the island. One of them, a brown-eyed man, can see 99 other brown-eyed men. The same goes for the rest of the brown-eyed men. Since they don't know their own eye color, they watch and wait for all the other brown-eyed men to go. When they do not, they all conclude that they all must see another man with brown eyes, and since all the other people are blue-eyed, the only conclusion must be himself. They all reach this conclusion at the same time, so they all leave on the 100th day.

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ok, I understand what you are saying, and I see how it would work with 2 brown-eyed men, but how would it work with 100?
Everyday there is 100 brown-eyed men, so what makes that man think one man is looking at him instead of the other 98 men?
Of course, they are going to conclude that they see another another man with brown eyes, since he sees 99, he expects everyone else to at least see 98.

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ok, I understand what you are saying, and I see how it would work with 2 brown-eyed men, but how would it work with 100?
Everyday there is 100 brown-eyed men, so what makes that man think one man is looking at him instead of the other 98 men?
Of course, they are going to conclude that they see another another man with brown eyes, since he sees 99, he expects everyone else to at least see 98.

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Let's look at 3 men with brown eyes. Each knows that at least two people have brown eyes. If it were only two , they would leave on the 2nd day. Since they do not , each concludes that they must also have brown eyes and they leave. Same logic for 4 men , 5 men , 6 men, and so on.

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Here is an easy riddle:

4 - - - 21

7 - - - 36

11 - - - 56

16 - - - ?

What number should go with the question mark?

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Here is an easy riddle:

4 - - - 21

7 - - - 36

11 - - - 56

16 - - - ?

What number should go with the question mark?

dave123321

I never figured out how to solve these. :? I'll say 81.

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Another one :

"During a seven-day period from Sunday through Saturday, Eliza Pseudonym has dined at seven different local restaurants (including Idoaho Fried Chicken) twice each: once for lunch, and once on a different day for dinner. Each restaurant is located on a different street (from 1st through 7th). Using the following clues, determine where each restaurant is located, and which restaurant Eliza ate at for lunch and for dinner each day. Note: the clues only refer to lunches and dinners during the seven-day period.

Clue 1: Wednesday was the only day on which Eliza ate at two restaurants on consecutively numbered streets.

Clue 2: Eliza had lunch at the restaurant located on the 6th Street on Monday.

Clue 3: Eliza ate at Chick-Empty-A on Tuesday and Friday.

Clue 4: Eliza ate at Long John Bronze's on two consecutive days.

Clue 5: Eliza ate her lunch at the 1st Street restaurant precisely three days after she ate her dinner at the 5th Street restaurant.

Clue 6: On Sunday, Eliza did not have the restaurant on 4th Street for lunch, nor did she eat at Waffle Habitat for dinner.

Clue 7: On one paticular day, Eliza ate at Dice's Pizza (located on an odd numbered street) and Taco Marimba, in some order.

Clue 8: During the three-day period from Sunday through Tuesday, Eliza had eaten something at all seven restaurants excluding the one located on 7th Street; during the three-day period from Thursday through Saturday, Eliza had eaten something at all seven restaurants excluding Questionnos."

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]

Here is an easy riddle:

4 - - - 21

7 - - - 36

11 - - - 56

16 - - - ?

What number should go with the question mark?

Theokhoth

I never figured out how to solve these. :? I'll say 81.

Correct.
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#43 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]

Here is an easy riddle:

4 - - - 21

7 - - - 36

11 - - - 56

16 - - - ?

What number should go with the question mark?

dave123321

I never figured out how to solve these. :? I'll say 81.

Correct.

I got it? :o HUZZAH!

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#44 dave123321
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] I never figured out how to solve these. :? I'll say 81.

Theokhoth

Correct.

I got it? :o HUZZAH!

Yep. Just a matter of multiplying the number on the left by five and adding one.
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And another : 9, 61, 52, 63, 94, ___ , 18
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#46 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] Correct. dave123321

I got it? :o HUZZAH!

Yep. Just a matter of multiplying the number on the left by five and adding one.

That's not how I figured it out though. >.>

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And another : 9, 61, 52, 63, 94, ___ , 18 dave123321
67.
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#48 dave123321
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That's not how I figured it out though. >.>

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How did you?
[QUOTE="dave123321"]And another : 9, 61, 52, 63, 94, ___ , 18 Theokhoth
67.

Nope. How did you go about getting this ?

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#49 Theokhoth
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How did you?

Each number on the right column is a multiple of five higher than the number above it. Each new column adds five more, so I just followed that to its conclusion.

Nope. How did you go about getting this ?


Damn it. :x Same basic logic: the ones place appears to have a pattern: 9, 6, 5, 6, 9. The tens place definitely has a pattern: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. . . . .again, I just followed it to what I thought was the right step in the pattern.

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#50 dave123321
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How did you?

Each number on the right column is a multiple of five higher than the number above it. Each new column adds five more, so I just followed that to its conclusion.

Nope. How did you go about getting this ?


Damn it. :x Same basic logic: the ones place appears to have a pattern: 9, 6, 5, 6, 9. The tens place definitely has a pattern: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. . . . .again, I just followed it to what I thought was the right step in the pattern.

Theokhoth

The answer it was looking for was 46. Reverse each number to see the clear pattern.

Edit: looking back your solution does not seem to fit. The ones place is 9,1,2,3,4,-,8

10's are x,6,5,6,9,-,1

There appears to be no clear pattern when looking at it as a whole.