Video Games and Art

Hello to anyone that is interested. I am working on a senior project and I want to explore the relationship between video games and art. There are many different views on this subject and i want opinions of other gamers rather than just my own. So...
Are Video Games Art?

Great responses. Now how would gameplay fit in with art. Could a game with simple visuals still be artful through it's gameplay?KiraKaKash15

It depends on the game. Games like Rez have gameplay that are interwoven with it's visua;s.

Is there a game that you would consider that has amazing visuals but terrible gameplay?KiraKaKash15

Lair.

It seriously depends on the game. A game like Halo 3 can't be called art exactly, but look at Ico or Shadows of Colossus, if that's not art I don't know what is.

I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/KiraKaKash15

One word: Bioshock.

Not all games are works of art. Games are meagerly the medium through which ideas can be communicated. I agree with the Bioshock example. It portrays men as being irresponsible for the consequences of their actions, among other themes.

A lot of artistic games are not commercial though.

[QUOTE="KiraKaKash15"]I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/Brmarlin

One word: Bioshock.

I thought Bioshock was terrible.

Great responses. Now how would gameplay fit in with art. Could a game with simple visuals still be artful through it's gameplay?KiraKaKash15

Escape from Woomera.

It is a Half-Life mod. It looks absolutely horrible. It is art in the way it puts the player in the shoes of someone normally considered an illegal immigrant, but persuades us to believe that they are victims of injustice.

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[QUOTE="KiraKaKash15"]I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/gobo212

One word: Bioshock.

I thought Bioshock was terrible.

That's not what we're discussing.

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[QUOTE="KiraKaKash15"]I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/Buffalo_Soulja

One word: Bioshock.

I thought Bioshock was terrible.

That's not what we're discussing.

Sorry. I think games very much can be art. If the intent is to evoke an emotional response from the player I think it could be art. This isn't a very well thought out hypothesis though...

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[QUOTE="KiraKaKash15"]I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/gobo212

One word: Bioshock.

I thought Bioshock was terrible.

That's not what we're discussing.

Sorry. I think games very much can be art. If the intent is to evoke an emotional response from the player I think it could be art. This isn't a very well thought out hypothesis though...

I know that's why I wanted him to define art.

You'll have to do a two pronged "attack". The graphics and artistic direction in games is obvious. But also try to mention the stories in games.

Also, toss in a mention of immersion, and ease of playing.

well Zelda TP is probably the most beautifull game i have ever played and considering that it took the devs a very long time to make the game as such it should be considered artSerraph105

It took them a long time to make Daikatana but I'm not so sure that's art.

[QUOTE="KiraKaKash15"]I agree that many video games can be considered art. What would you say to any non-believers that believe there is no art in video games/Brmarlin

One word: Bioshock.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]well Zelda TP is probably the most beautifull game i have ever played and considering that it took the devs a very long time to make the game as such it should be considered artgobo212

It took them a long time to make Daikatana but I'm not so sure that's art.

well i dont really know what that is but since people have classified Manhunt as art im gonna go ahead and say that it is

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]well Zelda TP is probably the most beautifull game i have ever played and considering that it took the devs a very long time to make the game as such it should be considered artSerraph105

It took them a long time to make Daikatana but I'm not so sure that's art.

well i dont really know what that is but since people have classified Manhunt as art im gonna go ahead and say that it is

I'm guessing your not much of a PC gamer.

You could use Ico, and Shadow of the colussous as examples of emotional gameplay like your charator feels alone and that feeling is connect to the player. also okami b/c its so creative. every ff game

You could also make a great a great case for Metal Gear Solid, b/c even though its stories are kinda silly their meanings and what kojima is trying to say w/ his themes of nuclear proliferation, circumstantial alliance in war among others.

I belive video games are art and can be made to create unique perspectives or views on an argument b/c unlike a film or book you are actually the one playing through the charactor on screen and you in a way live through those expierences, which cannot really be said for other forms of art.

yes, before the game is actualy developed artist have to draw the chracters out. music is art there music in video games. iam2green

I don't think that because there is music in videogames that makes videogames art.

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thanks for participating in the forum lol

I love you and i think that bioshock is macabre which is totally rad and devil may cry is wicked awesome fantasy art that i used to never be into until i hear of you who ever you mr or ms kirakakash15DuckyDeems

Great first 3 words for an account.

I'm glad that everyone is participating in this discussion. Your comments are really helpful.

How can the work of video games be compared with the work of movies? It seems as though they are only a small step away from being an animated movie.

no. video games CONTAIN art, but they are technically not art. they are considered software priducts. dissonantblack

Thats like saying portraits aren't art they are considered paint on canvas.

I'm glad that everyone is participating in this discussion. Your comments are really helpful.

How can the work of video games be compared with the work of movies? It seems as though they are only a small step away from being an animated movie.

KiraKaKash15

Games have a huge advantage over movies because of their interactivity. Games can put you right into the position of certain characters or settings. You can see the effects of the choices you make. Even books written in the first person do not come close because you don't have control over the events that take place.

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I'm glad that everyone is participating in this discussion. Your comments are really helpful.

How can the work of video games be compared with the work of movies? It seems as though they are only a small step away from being an animated movie.

Buffalo_Soulja

Games have a huge advantage over movies because of their interactivity. Games can put you right into the position of certain characters or settings. You can see the effects of the choices you make. Even books written in the first person do not come close because you don't have control over the events that take place.

But maybe that's exactly what makes them NOT art. Every other art form you're getting exactly the experience the artist intends you to get.

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I'm glad that everyone is participating in this discussion. Your comments are really helpful.

How can the work of video games be compared with the work of movies? It seems as though they are only a small step away from being an animated movie.

gobo212

Games have a huge advantage over movies because of their interactivity. Games can put you right into the position of certain characters or settings. You can see the effects of the choices you make. Even books written in the first person do not come close because you don't have control over the events that take place.

But maybe that's exactly what makes them NOT art. Every other art form you're getting exactly the experience the artist intends you to get.

Still they have control over the potential for which choices you have in the first place.

I'm sure you're aware of Spore. Nothing says 'global warming = bad' more than filling your own planet with CO2 and watching your entire civilisation suffocate.

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I'm glad that everyone is participating in this discussion. Your comments are really helpful.

How can the work of video games be compared with the work of movies? It seems as though they are only a small step away from being an animated movie.

Buffalo_Soulja

Games have a huge advantage over movies because of their interactivity. Games can put you right into the position of certain characters or settings. You can see the effects of the choices you make. Even books written in the first person do not come close because you don't have control over the events that take place.

But maybe that's exactly what makes them NOT art. Every other art form you're getting exactly the experience the artist intends you to get.

Still they have control over the potential for which choices you have in the first place.

I'm sure you're aware of Spore. Nothing says 'global warming = bad' more than filling your own planet with CO2 and watching your entire civilisation suffocate.

I want that game soooo bad...

Does it inspire an emotion or a mood upon the person?

Then it's art.

[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]no. video games CONTAIN art, but they are technically not art. they are considered software priducts. gobo212

Thats like saying portraits aren't art they are considered paint on canvas.

then perhaps video games should be sold at art stores and not electronics stores.

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[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]no. video games CONTAIN art, but they are technically not art. they are considered software priducts. dissonantblack

Thats like saying portraits aren't art they are considered paint on canvas.

then perhaps video games should be sold at art stores and not electronics stores.

You mean like how portraits are sold at art galleries, music in music stores, comic books in comic book stores, etc, etc?

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[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]no. video games CONTAIN art, but they are technically not art. they are considered software priducts. gobo212

Thats like saying portraits aren't art they are considered paint on canvas.

then perhaps video games should be sold at art stores and not electronics stores.

You mean like how portraits are sold at art galleries, music in music stores, comic books in comic book stores, etc, etc?

yes. if you are implying that video games are art products. is that the case?