Violence in Video Games to Blame for almost all random acts of aggression?

Never understood this argument. If thats the case couldn't every form of entertainment from books to movies be considered a bad influence ? Lame...

Never understood this argument. If thats the case couldn't every form of entertainment from books to movies be considered a bad influence ? Lame...

nooblet69

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]I never said that they definitely contribute. You don't think the spike in violence exposure in today's society is a plausible candidate for these mass shootings? The time period most definitely has relevance. ghoklebutter

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

I know I'm tired of people blaming Video Games for violent acts.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]I never said that they definitely contribute. You don't think the spike in violence exposure in today's society is a plausible candidate for these mass shootings? The time period most definitely has relevance. -Tish-

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

True; not everyone is the same. But anyone who learns to be violent by playing violent video games is most likely already mentally unstable.

As for why shootings weren't as common back then, that could be for many reasons, none of which necessarily have to do with exposure to violence in video games.

I never said that they definitely contribute. -Tish-

To say that the spike of violence in entertainment doesn't have any influence is pretty ignorant if you ask me. You

You don't think the spike in violence exposure in today's society is a plausible candidate for these mass shootings? The time period most definitely has relevance. -Tish-

Games today aren't nearly as violent as they used to be in the first years when first person shooters started out. In CoD you barely see any blood compared to the disembowelment and shredding of bodies that went on in Quake, Hexen or Blood.

And exposure means jack sh!t. That Lanza guy, I recall reading about him playing Dynasty Warriors. Well guess what, violence in Dynasty Warriors games is a tangential factor. There's no blood, period, and the games are based mostly on character rivalry and a bit of romanticized historic strategy.

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

ghoklebutter

True; not everyone is the same. But anyone who learns to be violent by playing violent video games is most likely already mentally unstable.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

MrGeezer

Techno and hardcore scene is not the "most violent in the world". Certainly not now. What are you basing this on?MrPraline

I'm a big fan of it :|

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

No, I don't. It's true that exposure to violence can cause people to become violent later on, but it depends on the nature of the exposure. In violent video games, the exposure is very obviously in the context of amusement, the subtext being that all of the violence in the game is solely part of the game.

The only kinds of exposure to violence that actually engender violent attitudes are things like a child seeing his or her parents fighting or literally being raised to become violent.

ghoklebutter

True; not everyone is the same. But anyone who learns to be violent by playing violent video games is most likely already mentally unstable.

As for why shootings weren't as common back then, that could be for many reasons, none of which necessarily have to do with exposure to violence in video games.

@N3OF3N1X: Since when is blood the only deciding factor to whether something is violent or not? War is violent. Call of Duty is violent. Get real man.

Never understood this argument. If thats the case couldn't every form of entertainment from books to movies be considered a bad influence ? Lame...

nooblet69

"Get real"

LMAO the irony :lol:

Well again, I'm not stating for a fact that the larger exposure of violence is responsible for the shootings. I'm merely stating that's a plausible reason. I think it's ignorant to dismiss the possibility, especially for people, like you said, who are mentally unstable. @N3OF3N1X: Since when is blood the only deciding factor to whether something is violent or not? War is violent. Call of Duty is violent. Get real man.-Tish-

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

I think virtually all mentally stable people (as well as mentally unstable people who have no predeliction to aggression because of their condition) recognize that violent video games are, you know, solely for the sake of amusement.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]Well again, I'm not stating for a fact that the larger exposure of violence is responsible for the shootings. I'm merely stating that's a plausible reason. I think it's ignorant to dismiss the possibility, especially for people, like you said, who are mentally unstable. @N3OF3N1X: Since when is blood the only deciding factor to whether something is violent or not? War is violent. Call of Duty is violent. Get real man.ghoklebutter

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

you can't say "oh, I'll ignore that because it came from a game". MrGeezer

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] I think virtually all mentally stable people (as well as mentally unstable people who have no predeliction to aggression because of their condition) recognize that violent video games are, you know, solely for the sake of amusement.MrGeezer

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]Well again, I'm not stating for a fact that the larger exposure of violence is responsible for the shootings. I'm merely stating that's a plausible reason. I think it's ignorant to dismiss the possibility, especially for people, like you said, who are mentally unstable. @N3OF3N1X: Since when is blood the only deciding factor to whether something is violent or not? War is violent. Call of Duty is violent. Get real man.-Tish-

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]Well again, I'm not stating for a fact that the larger exposure of violence is responsible for the shootings. I'm merely stating that's a plausible reason. I think it's ignorant to dismiss the possibility, especially for people, like you said, who are mentally unstable. @N3OF3N1X: Since when is blood the only deciding factor to whether something is violent or not? War is violent. Call of Duty is violent. Get real man.-Tish-

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

To blame it on one media when America has a whole lot of problems is downright stupid.

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]That's beside the point. When you've got all that information jumbled up in your head, you can't identify the source. Your cumulative experiences are telling you that violence=good, but you can't say "oh, I'll ignore that because it came from a game". You don't know where that message came from, where you picked it up. That message is simply there, you can't identify the source. -Tish-

My head is fine where it is right now. I'm not the one who's claiming things that are blatantly false, with no evidence of them either, and on top of that I'm not the one who's failing to recognize the difference between correlation and causation. Can't say the same for you, jackass ;)

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

It would only be plausible if it were the case that all or most violent video games were simply simulators that were entirely devoid of the "games are for fun only" image characteristic of video games.

zenogandia

To blame it on one media when America has a whole lot of problems is downright stupid.

I never blamed it on the media... Why are people putting words in my mouth? -Tish-

Video games probably play some role in these recent violent acts. Stuff like this didn't happen twenty years ago. Why? Our society's mass media was not nearly as violently depicted as it is today. To say that the spike of violence in entertainment doesn't have any influence is pretty ignorant if you ask me.-Tish-

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]That's beside the point. When you've got all that information jumbled up in your head, you can't identify the source. Your cumulative experiences are telling you that violence=good, but you can't say "oh, I'll ignore that because it came from a game". You don't know where that message came from, where you picked it up. That message is simply there, you can't identify the source. N30F3N1X

My head is fine where it is right now. I'm not the one who's claiming things that are blatantly false, with no evidence of them either, and on top of that I'm not the one who's failing to recognize the difference between correlation and causation. Can't say the same for you, jackass ;)

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]It's very plausible that the mentally unstable could fail to understand that characteristic. After all, in a game like Call of Duty you assume the role of a person who kills other people. That's the objective of the game. -Tish-

To blame it on one media when America has a whole lot of problems is downright stupid.

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]I never blamed it on the media... Why are people putting words in my mouth? N30F3N1X

Video games probably play some role in these recent violent acts. Stuff like this didn't happen twenty years ago. Why? Our society's mass media was not nearly as violently depicted as it is today. To say that the spike of violence in entertainment doesn't have any influence is pretty ignorant if you ask me.-Tish-

PLEASE READ:

I know this may come a shock to you but in all honesty once you think about it, its hard to argue with the point I am about to make. I did a dissertation on the effects of Music to PRIME (note the word prime) agression. Now from this I obviously had to look into what else PRIMES agression and the pure sight of a weapon such as a gun, knife etc envokes agressive tendices. There is plenty of research on the subject so you will have no problem actually looking it up.

Anyway my point to keep it short is that people can/do become more agressive when playing games. How many of you trash talk? how many have you rage quited? I mean take any sport atleast, people become angry if they lose or there is foul play etc. Its a natural human reaction. Now with games this can be heightened for some individuals, as an example, those people who rage quit who might throw their controller, hit their keyboard or have to actually remove themselves from the console or PC because of how angry its made them.

However this does not mean, if you play games you shall start to pick up a gun and unload the contents of it into people. Again however to say "games have no part in this" is not correct, atleast to what I have found out. If someone who is unstable who then played a game of COD online, was then becoming frustrated, that occurance could PRIME an agressive reaction.

Obviously some games are worse than others for this on the level of visual priming. Mario for example, you are killing mushrooms by stamping on their heads. However this isnt seen to us as agressive behaviour that warrents a high certificate rating. But weilding an M4 and gunning people down is. What you make from that is your own personal opinion.

Its hard to have a rational conversation; let alone on these boards, however I get sick to death of people saying "video games do nothing to us..." its complete BS and ignorance. Of course they do and so do other things. Just with games there is more things to prime agressive behaviours such as actions the player has to partake in, the visual imagery, the sound track etc. It seems like nobody on either side of fence has come out to say whats actually going on. Developers are to protected over their games to say something that I believe is their responsibility because it may help stop future occurances from parents (long shot I know) but to see if their child is getting overly agressive, to simply take them away from it for a break.

o0squishy0o

Yes, because there was no such thing as violent massacres before 1970.Zeviander

Yes, because there was no such thing as violent massacres before 1970.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Yes, because there was no such thing as violent massacres before 1970.-Tish-

[QUOTE="Lotus-Edge"]

As always, Cracked offers the most succinct explanation i've read in a while....

Chickity_China

Bravo....

I know I tried to defend Video Games earlier, but they are getting extremly violent.

Fallout 3: makes you think it's okay to blow a woman's head off with a shot gun, walk up to her eye ball, and take all her stuff. "Shes a drug addict" makes it okay in the developers eyes.

Bioshock: You kill little girls to make yourself more powerful.... yeah someone was messed up when they made that.

There are many more, but you get the idea.

Playing Skyrim caused me to shoot fireballs at my neighbor's chickens.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Playing Skyrim caused me to shoot fireballs at my neighbor's chickens.Treflis

what the morons dont understand is that there are MILLIONS of kids who played M rated games back in the day. I was 5 or 6 years old when I played mortal kombat 2. I remember looking at the videogames through the glass and staring at that M rating like it was gold. I remember walking in and buying conkers bad fur day at 8 or 9 years old. I remember when me and my brother were buying mortal kombat from a store, they had to phone my mom and all we could do was roll our eyes like seriously? so many of me and my friends had M rated violent video games. ive never even been in a fight or have ever done anything violent. the only time violent video games are bad is when a COMPLETE retard gets his hands on it, and im talking COMPLETE PSYCHOPATH RETARDJustSignedUp

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Yes, because there was no such thing as violent massacres before 1970.ghoklebutter

what the morons dont understand is that there are MILLIONS of kids who played M rated games back in the day. I was 5 or 6 years old when I played mortal kombat 2. I remember looking at the videogames through the glass and staring at that M rating like it was gold. I remember walking in and buying conkers bad fur day at 8 or 9 years old. I remember when me and my brother were buying mortal kombat from a store, they had to phone my mom and all we could do was roll our eyes like seriously? so many of me and my friends had M rated violent video games. ive never even been in a fight or have ever done anything violent. the only time violent video games are bad is when a COMPLETE retard gets his hands on it, and im talking COMPLETE PSYCHOPATH RETARDJustSignedUp

I know I tried to defend Video Games earlier, but they are getting extremly violent.

Fallout 3: makes you think it's okay to blow a woman's head off with a shot gun, walk up to her eye ball, and take all her stuff. "Shes a drug addict" makes it okay in the developers eyes.

Bioshock: You kill little girls to make yourself more powerful.... yeah someone was messed up when they made that.

There are many more, but you get the idea.

TheHighWind

What kind of rotten sawdust do you have between your ears that makes you think that because something happens in a game then it must be okay to do?

what a stupid response. ive never had a reason to get in a fight. Only retards fight over something stupid like arguments. every respectable MMA fighter always knows to avoid real world confrontations at every cost. You have 619 in your username, you obviously are or were a WWE fan so you dont know anything about fighting. you probably still think the undertaker is really undeadJustSignedUp

What kind of rotten sawdust do you have between your ears that makes you think that because something happens in a game then it must be okay to do?

N30F3N1X