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#51 spazzx625
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If they did travel it would be like 5 years passed to them, they'd return to earth and 50 years would have passed, yet the astronauts only aged 5 years.

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In number only...Their bodies would still age at a normal rate...Possibly even at an accelerated rate link
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#52 Ontain
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I don't really understand how a planet with water on it could be too hot to sustain life...But whatever. That's pretty exciting news, even if no life is found.

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well it says life similar to earth. but no one says life has to only be like on earth. we also don't know about all the life on earth. there are extremophiles that live in places we used to think no life to exist.

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

If they did travel it would be like 5 years passed to them, they'd return to earth and 50 years would have passed, yet the astronauts only aged 5 years.

In number only...Their bodies would still age at a normal rate...Possibly even at an accelerated rate link

That is speculation only. Time dialation is a fact. And if they travelled sufficiently fast, there exposure time would be minimal.
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#54 Ontain
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well clearly conventional travel wouldn't work for human space exploration. the vastness of space is too great. we'd need to find a "warp" type technology which would allow us to skip all the space in between.
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#55 comp_atkins
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the universe pwns
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[QUOTE="jamejame"]

[QUOTE="spazzx625"] Edited in a new link...And the answer is 42 light years...:?FragStains

Wow, the universe is so fascinating. I wonder if we'll ever have the technology to actually get us to that planet one day.

Let me save you countless years and trillions of dollars...No.

This is a better way to save trillions. "Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it clothing, educating, and feeding the poor of the world, which it would do many times over, not one human being excluded, and we can explore space, both inner and outer, together. Forever, in peace." -Bill Hicks
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This is a better way to save trillions. "Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it clothing, educating, and feeding the poor of the world, which it would do many times over, not one human being excluded, and we can explore space, both inner and outer, together. Forever, in peace." -Bill Hicksthunderf00t
Eventually, we will grow up enough.
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#58 thunderf00t
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What really gets me though is we have still have people (creationists) who insist Earth contains all the water in the universe. They'll continue to insist on that despite any evidence they are presented with, as well.
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Great! So they found another planet that they can't go to and never will and could possibly have water at low pressurers. Really I love space and I am intrigued by it just as much as anyone else is but the reality is, they are wasting their time.

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#60 spazzx625
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well clearly conventional travel wouldn't work for human space exploration. the vastness of space is too great. we'd need to find a "warp" type technology which would allow us to skip all the space in between. Ontain
Which would coincide with Einstein's theory that space is essentially a piece of fabric that can be folded. Link
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[QUOTE="thunderf00t"] This is a better way to save trillions. "Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it clothing, educating, and feeding the poor of the world, which it would do many times over, not one human being excluded, and we can explore space, both inner and outer, together. Forever, in peace." -Bill HicksJandurin
Eventually, we will grow up enough.

One would hope so, but even in Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek vision of a united humanity exploring the final frontier, we go through a nuclear WW3 first. Becoming a space faring race is essential to survive in the long term.
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#62 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="slinkysi"] That is speculation only. Time dialation is a fact. And if they travelled sufficiently fast, there exposure time would be minimal.

Of course it's speculation...It's a theory. Like all theories, until tested, are neither true nor false.
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What really gets me though is we have still have people (creationists) who insist Earth contains all the water in the universe. They'll continue to insist on that despite any evidence they are presented with, as well.thunderf00t
Though I'm not going to sit here and claim that this blue marble that we are on is the only planet out of 400 billion galaxies to have water. I will tell you though it is very very rare.
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That's pretty interesting.

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

If they did travel it would be like 5 years passed to them, they'd return to earth and 50 years would have passed, yet the astronauts only aged 5 years.

spazzx625
In number only...Their bodies would still age at a normal rate...Possibly even at an accelerated rate link

i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

If they did travel it would be like 5 years passed to them, they'd return to earth and 50 years would have passed, yet the astronauts only aged 5 years.

In number only...Their bodies would still age at a normal rate...Possibly even at an accelerated rate link

i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..

To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.
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Great! So they found another planet that they can't go to and never will and could possibly have water at low tempratures. Really I love space and I amintrigued by it just as much as anyone else is but the reality is, they are wasting their time.

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They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.
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This is awesome :D
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the radiation aspect of the advanced aging theory...But I still think it makes sense that a human body would age normally (as in, same on Earth) regardless of what consisted a rotational year in relation to an orbiting planet.
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#70 chaplainDMK
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GJ 1214b, seriously? Is that the best name they could come up with? These guys must have the most original GamerTags :P.

jamejame

Good luck trying to name 50.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.00.. (you get the point ;)) planets with original names...

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.

There would be nothing to hold us together if we traveled at the speed of light...
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'Think of how many stars and planets and kinds of life there may be, in this vast and awesome universe' :)

Carl Sagan, RIP. You are sorely missed.

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[QUOTE="thunderf00t"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Great! So they found another planet that they can't go to and never will and could possibly have water at low tempratures. Really I love space and I amintrigued by it just as much as anyone else is but the reality is, they are wasting their time.

They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.spazzx625
There would be nothing to hold us together if we traveled at the speed of light...

Pretty much why I made that statement.
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[QUOTE="thunderf00t"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Great! So they found another planet that they can't go to and never will and could possibly have water at low tempratures. Really I love space and I amintrigued by it just as much as anyone else is but the reality is, they are wasting their time.

xscrapzx

They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

Liquid water. Water in other states is actually common in the universe.

People also need to realise that water is an essential component of metabolism of life as we know it, ie based around the tetravalent carbon atom. Who knows what other biochemistries may exist some place else in the universe which probably evolved by the same means as those on earth. It is a staggering thought.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="thunderf00t"] They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.the_one34

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

Liquid water. Water in other states is actually common in the universe.

didn't we find water on the moon? also H2O contains the 1st and 3rd most common elements in the universe.

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.

There would be nothing to hold us together if we traveled at the speed of light...

Neither would there be enough energy in the world or universe to travel at that speed
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="thunderf00t"] They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.the_one34

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

Liquid water. Water in other states is actually common in the universe.

Obviously. I figured most people would have gotten the point.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="thunderf00t"] They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.the_one34
You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

Liquid water. Water in other states is actually common in the universe.

The LIQUID part is what makes it so substantial!

This is pretty exciting news

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[QUOTE="Ontain"]well clearly conventional travel wouldn't work for human space exploration. the vastness of space is too great. we'd need to find a "warp" type technology which would allow us to skip all the space in between. spazzx625
Which would coincide with Einstein's theory that space is essentially a piece of fabric that can be folded. Link

yep. that's where a lot of scifi's faster than light travel base there tech on.
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[QUOTE="the_one34"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?xscrapzx

Liquid water. Water in other states is actually common in the universe.

Obviously. I figured most people would have gotten the point.

Nothing is obvious when you're talking about science :P
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="spazzx625"] In number only...Their bodies would still age at a normal rate...Possibly even at an accelerated rate linkxscrapzx
i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..

To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.

Actually, speed doesn't kill people. Acceleration does. You could absolutely travel at 99% the speed of light. As long as your speed and direction are not changing, it will be just as if you're not moving at all.

Of course, acceleration IS a problem, and does kill people. What is the maximum acceleration that a human can survive for a prolonged period of time? I don't know, but probably not much. I'm pretty sure that most people black out at around 10 G's.

The problem with acceleration is...at the maximum acceleration allowable in order to not kill the astronauts, how long would it take to even get them up to near-light-speeds? Once they reach the desired speed, then they'll be fine. They can cruise right along at that speed. But you've got allow them enough time to gradually get up to that speed, and then allow them enough time to gradually slow down.

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the radiation aspect of the advanced aging theory...But I still think it makes sense that a human body would age normally (as in, same on Earth) regardless of what consisted a rotational year in relation to an orbiting planet.

We would age the same, but time would move at different rates, depending on your viewpoint. Thus someone living at earth compared to the spaceship, may be born at the same time, but wont be 10 year old at the same time and so on.
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[QUOTE="thunderf00t"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Great! So they found another planet that they can't go to and never will and could possibly have water at low tempratures. Really I love space and I amintrigued by it just as much as anyone else is but the reality is, they are wasting their time.

xscrapzx

They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

There are many many space objects that are known to hold water. Water is merely hyrogen and oxygen, two of the three most abundant minerals in the universe.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] i would think a species advanced enough to travel at or near the speed of light would have developed sufficient radiation shielding techniques..MrGeezer

To be honest I don't think the human body would be able to handle a speed such as the speed of light, just a thought.

Actually, speed doesn't kill people. Acceleration does. You could absolutely travel at 99% the speed of light. As long as your speed and direction are not changing, it will be just as if you're not moving at all.

Of course, acceleration IS a problem, and does kill people. What is the maximum acceleration that a human can survive for a prolonged period of time? I don't know, but probably not much. I'm pretty sure that most people black out at around 10 G's.

The problem with acceleration is...at the maximum acceleration allowable in order to not kill the astronauts, how long would it take to even get them up to near-light-speeds? Once they reach the desired speed, then they'll be fine. They can cruise right along at that speed. But you've got allow them enough time to gradually get up to that speed, and then allow them enough time to gradually slow down.

Thats what im saying. You have to do something to get to that speed. Now however they do it I can't see it being good for the human body.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="thunderf00t"] They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.BumFluff122

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

There are many many space objects that are known to hold water. Water is merely hyrogen and oxygen, two of the three most abundant minerals in the universe.

I would agree with that, butwhatever is holding that water also has be in the perfect conditions to sustain and as well have the other aspects for human life to succeed.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Guess that answers my questions :(spazzx625
Yeah, I don't really know how they can classify that as 'relatively close'...

Well it's close compared to most stars and planets discovered. I hope they find E.T.:P

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So when are they going to finish the interstellar nukes to launch at it?
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="thunderf00t"] They are not wasting their time, they are disovering new and exciting things, and educating people along the way. A lot of people are raised to believe all life is on Earth alone, and that as such one of the essential necessities of life, water, is only found on the Earth. These people need to be shown these kinds of things so they can stop being ignorant.BumFluff122

You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?

There are many many space objects that are known to hold water. Water is merely hyrogen and oxygen, two of the three most abundant minerals in the universe.

Minerals? lol

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I don't really understand how a planet with water on it could be too hot to sustain life...But whatever. That's pretty exciting news, even if no life is found.

spazzx625

well, they only said life "similiar" to earths didn't they? granted the is a broad term. do they mean nothing big, like people, or fish. or nothing at all?

to me though, it sounds like the most promising planet we've discovered (in terms of one that may have life on it). all it would take in this case would be some heat resistant bacteria growing and evolving and millions of years. who knows, maybe if we get there in a thousand years, we'll find Admiral Ackbar.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?xscrapzx

There are many many space objects that are known to hold water. Water is merely hyrogen and oxygen, two of the three most abundant minerals in the universe.

I would agree with that, but whatever is holding that water also has be in the perfect conditions to sustain and as well have the other aspects for human life to succeed.

And out of the millions of planets that exist, we've already found hundreds of the larger ones while looking at a distance of several light years or more, chances are there are probably some that exist within the zone that is capable of sustaining life as we know it. OR somethign similar. The zone streches out beyond the planet of Mars and to the planet of Venus. We happen to be within that comfort zone capable of supporting our kind of life. Despite what creationists and such tell you it is a very large area that two, almost 3 of the planets in our solar system exist in. Why doo creatures need liquid water to survive though? Heck some of the creatures on our planet don't even require atmospheric oxygen to breath. As well as that area around stars where life can exist there is also an area around gas giants where life can exist. Gas giants emit their own energy.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] You do realize at this point earth is the only known planet to have water right?not_wanted

There are many many space objects that are known to hold water. Water is merely hyrogen and oxygen, two of the three most abundant minerals in the universe.

Minerals? lol

elements.

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#93 Nerd_Man
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So when are we gonna start migrating over to this new planet and build mega-complex malls and theme parks on it?
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#94 metallica_fan42
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Whew! Now I can sleep at night.
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So when are we gonna start migrating over to this new planet and build mega-complex malls and theme parks on it?Nerd_Man
The planet is already owned by Hilton.
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#96 -TheSecondSign-
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Link

EDIT: A better link

[quote="The Article"]

Astronomers announced this week they found a water-rich and relatively nearby planet that's similar in size to Earth.

While the planet probably has too thick of an atmosphere and is too hot to support life similar to that found on Earth, the discovery is being heralded as a major breakthrough in humanity's search for life on other planets.

"The big excitement is that we have found a watery world orbiting a very nearby and very small star," said David Charbonneau, a Harvard professor of astronomy and lead author of an article on the discovery, which appeared this week in the journal Nature.

The planet, named GJ 1214b, is 2.7 times as large as Earth and orbits a star much smaller and less luminous than our sun. That's significant, Charbonneau said, because for many years, astronomers assumed that planets only would be found orbiting stars that are similar in size to the sun.

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Charbonneau said it's unlikely that any life on the newly discovered planet would be similar to life on Earth, but he didn't discount the idea entirely.

spazzx625

I don't really understand how a planet with water on it could be too hot to sustain life...But whatever. That's pretty exciting news, even if no life is found.

I'm fairly certain that higher pressure and heavier atmosphere can keep water in a liquid state after it reaches its boiling point, or something like that.

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I'm fairly certain that higher pressure and heavier atmosphere can keep water in a liquid state after it reaches its boiling point, or something like that.

-TheSecondSign-
I'm sure it can...Their logic of it being too hot to sustain life just seems like a blow-off guess at best. If life exists in boiling water on Earth, I think it makes perfect sense that it could elsewhere in the universe.
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Why not invest trillions of dollars into it. We will eventually run out of the resources needed to survive on earth. Spend Trillions of dollars>Global Destruction
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#99 not_wanted
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[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I'm fairly certain that higher pressure and heavier atmosphere can keep water in a liquid state after it reaches its boiling point, or something like that.

spazzx625

I'm sure it can...Their logic of it being too hot to sustain life just seems like a blow-off guess at best. If life exists in boiling water on Earth, I think it makes perfect sense that it could elsewhere in the universe.

Of course it could. Haven't they found bacteria living in rocks on Earth? Life may exist on other planets and be just as diverse as it is on Earth, but most people like to think that Earth is unique.

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#100 poptart
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I'm intrigued to find out how astronomers find out there's water on a tiny planet that's 42 light years away.