WBC to protest Ronnie James Dio's funeral

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Cool. I don't like Ronnie James Dio.

Elephant_Couple

Even so you could show some respect for the dead. I personally think it's disgusting that you approve of this.

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Cool. I don't like Ronnie James Dio.

Elephant_Couple

Even so you could show some respect for the dead. I personally think it's disgusting that you approve of this.

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

How can you not disapprove in general of protesting at a funeral? It's absolutely disgusting and despicable that people would do that, no matter who the person is. It's not "cool" or "okay," it's just wrong.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Even so you could show some respect for the dead. I personally think it's disgusting that you approve of this.

blackngold29

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

Wait, are you telling me you actually care about Princess Diana?

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Even so you could show some respect for the dead. I personally think it's disgusting that you approve of this.

chessmaster1989

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

How can you not disapprove in general of protesting at a funeral? It's absolutely disgusting and despicable that people would do that, no matter who the person is. It's not "cool" or "okay," it's just wrong.

Just out of curiosity, why is showing your opposition to somebody, or the ideals that person represents, suddenly so wrong once he or she is no longer alive?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

Elephant_Couple

How can you not disapprove in general of protesting at a funeral? It's absolutely disgusting and despicable that people would do that, no matter who the person is. It's not "cool" or "okay," it's just wrong.

Just out of curiosity, why is showing your opposition to somebody, or the ideals that person represents, suddenly so wrong once he or she is no longer alive?

That's not what I said. Say what you like about someone who's dead (and, in the case of the comments of WBC about Dio, they're completely wrong), but not at their funeral. There's absolutely no excuse for disrupting the family and close friends of the deceased in their mourning at the funeral. It's disgusting. Really, I don't see how you can't agree with this. Why don't you?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

Elephant_Couple

How can you not disapprove in general of protesting at a funeral? It's absolutely disgusting and despicable that people would do that, no matter who the person is. It's not "cool" or "okay," it's just wrong.

Just out of curiosity, why is showing your opposition to somebody, or the ideals that person represents, suddenly so wrong once he or she is no longer alive?

Just out of curiosity, what exactly ISN'T wrong about protesting a funeral?

It is one thing to dislike someoneafter they die (and I personally have celbrated at least one death) but to show up protesting at a funeral is flat out wrong. It is a time set aside for people to mourn the loss. It is no time to be shoving assinine views in peoples faces.

BTW if any of the WBC members get injured or killed during this I am throwing a party just FYI to all.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

How can you not disapprove in general of protesting at a funeral? It's absolutely disgusting and despicable that people would do that, no matter who the person is. It's not "cool" or "okay," it's just wrong.

chessmaster1989

Just out of curiosity, why is showing your opposition to somebody, or the ideals that person represents, suddenly so wrong once he or she is no longer alive?

That's not what I said. Say what you like about someone who's dead (and, in the case of the comments of WBC about Dio, they're completely wrong), but not at their funeral. There's absolutely no excuse for disrupting the family and close friends of the deceased in their mourning at the funeral. It's disgusting. Really, I don't see how you can't agree with this. Why don't you?

There are plenty of excuses. Whether or not those excuses actually justify the disruption of the funeral is a different story. It's not so much that I agree or disagree, it's just that I honestly do not care. It's Ronnie James Dio. :|

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Just out of curiosity, why is showing your opposition to somebody, or the ideals that person represents, suddenly so wrong once he or she is no longer alive?

Elephant_Couple

That's not what I said. Say what you like about someone who's dead (and, in the case of the comments of WBC about Dio, they're completely wrong), but not at their funeral. There's absolutely no excuse for disrupting the family and close friends of the deceased in their mourning at the funeral. It's disgusting. Really, I don't see how you can't agree with this. Why don't you?

There are plenty of excuses. Whether or not those excuses actually justify the disruption of the funeral is a different story. It's not so much that I agree or disagree, it's just that I honestly do not care. It's Ronnie James Dio. :|

Give me one good excuse that justifies protesting at the actual funeral (in the abstract, not specifically at Dio's funeral) as opposed to protesting at other places/through the media. If you cannot name one good one, then please take back everything you've just said. I personally find it fairly offensive that you are okay with people protesting at a funeral.

And I don't care whether or not you care about Ronnie James Dio. That's not the issue, so stop falling back on that as an excuse. I didn't care about Michael Jackson dying but I would have completely disapproved if anyone had gone to protest it.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

That's not what I said. Say what you like about someone who's dead (and, in the case of the comments of WBC about Dio, they're completely wrong), but not at their funeral. There's absolutely no excuse for disrupting the family and close friends of the deceased in their mourning at the funeral. It's disgusting. Really, I don't see how you can't agree with this. Why don't you?

chessmaster1989

There are plenty of excuses. Whether or not those excuses actually justify the disruption of the funeral is a different story. It's not so much that I agree or disagree, it's just that I honestly do not care. It's Ronnie James Dio. :|

Give me one good excuse that justifies protesting at the actual funeral (in the abstract, not specifically at Dio's funeral) as opposed to protesting at other places/through the media. If you cannot name one good one, then please take back everything you've just said. I personally find it fairly offensive that you are okay with people protesting at a funeral.

And I don't care whether or not you care about Ronnie James Dio. That's not the issue, so stop falling back on that as an excuse. I didn't care about Michael Jackson dying but I would have completely disapproved if anyone had gone to protest it.

I didn't say any excuse justifies protesting the funeral. Maybe there is no excuse that does. That doesn't mean I have to disapprove of it.

I don't disapprove of anybody protesting Ronnie James Dio's or Michael Jackson's funeral. I would disapprove of somebody protesting the funeral of someone I care about. Really, how hard is this to understand?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

There are plenty of excuses. Whether or not those excuses actually justify the disruption of the funeral is a different story. It's not so much that I agree or disagree, it's just that I honestly do not care. It's Ronnie James Dio. :|

Elephant_Couple

Give me one good excuse that justifies protesting at the actual funeral (in the abstract, not specifically at Dio's funeral) as opposed to protesting at other places/through the media. If you cannot name one good one, then please take back everything you've just said. I personally find it fairly offensive that you are okay with people protesting at a funeral.

And I don't care whether or not you care about Ronnie James Dio. That's not the issue, so stop falling back on that as an excuse. I didn't care about Michael Jackson dying but I would have completely disapproved if anyone had gone to protest it.

I didn't say any excuse justifies protesting the funeral. Maybe there is no excuse that does. That doesn't mean I have to disapprove of it.

I don't disapprove of anybody protesting Ronnie James Dio's or Michael Jackson's funeral. I would disapprove of somebody protesting the funeral of someone I care about. Really, how hard is this to understand?

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Give me one good excuse that justifies protesting at the actual funeral (in the abstract, not specifically at Dio's funeral) as opposed to protesting at other places/through the media. If you cannot name one good one, then please take back everything you've just said. I personally find it fairly offensive that you are okay with people protesting at a funeral.

And I don't care whether or not you care about Ronnie James Dio. That's not the issue, so stop falling back on that as an excuse. I didn't care about Michael Jackson dying but I would have completely disapproved if anyone had gone to protest it.

chessmaster1989

I didn't say any excuse justifies protesting the funeral. Maybe there is no excuse that does. That doesn't mean I have to disapprove of it.

I don't disapprove of anybody protesting Ronnie James Dio's or Michael Jackson's funeral. I would disapprove of somebody protesting the funeral of someone I care about. Really, how hard is this to understand?

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

I didn't say any excuse justifies protesting the funeral. Maybe there is no excuse that does. That doesn't mean I have to disapprove of it.

I don't disapprove of anybody protesting Ronnie James Dio's or Michael Jackson's funeral. I would disapprove of somebody protesting the funeral of someone I care about. Really, how hard is this to understand?

Elephant_Couple

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask again: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about?

I hope he reanimates, summons Cthulhu to eat all the protesters, proceeds to kills Cthulhu, then rides away on one of his enslaved skeleton dragons. Plzhelpmelearn

Now that would be the best funeral ever.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

I didn't say any excuse justifies protesting the funeral. Maybe there is no excuse that does. That doesn't mean I have to disapprove of it.

I don't disapprove of anybody protesting Ronnie James Dio's or Michael Jackson's funeral. I would disapprove of somebody protesting the funeral of someone I care about. Really, how hard is this to understand?

Elephant_Couple

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

This thread got ugly. Dude doesn't have to care about someone he doesn't know. What's the big deal about that? He did not justify the WBC from what I've read....LJS9502_basic

I have no issue with him not caring about Dio dying. Dio's important to some and not to others, and his death doesn't change that. I have an issue with him thinking it's okay for WBC to protest at Dio's funeral. I have an issue with anyone thinking it's okay for anyone to protest at anyone's funeral.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread got ugly. Dude doesn't have to care about someone he doesn't know. What's the big deal about that? He did not justify the WBC from what I've read....chessmaster1989

I have no issue with him not caring about Dio dying. I have an issue with him thinking it's okay for WBC to protest at Dio's funeral. I have an issue with anyone thinking it's okay for anyone to protest at anyone's funeral.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread got ugly. Dude doesn't have to care about someone he doesn't know. What's the big deal about that? He did not justify the WBC from what I've read....LJS9502_basic

I have no issue with him not caring about Dio dying. I have an issue with him thinking it's okay for WBC to protest at Dio's funeral. I have an issue with anyone thinking it's okay for anyone to protest at anyone's funeral.

Read a couple posts above. He expressly says he doesn't disapprove of WBC protesting. That mean's he's okay with it. He may not approve but he doesn't have a problem with it. He has made no attempt to contradict the idea that he's got no problem with WBC protesting so I have no reason to accept this as not true. He expressly said he doesn't care about protesting at a funeral of someone he doesn't care about/respect.

:|

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

chessmaster1989

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask again: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about?

No no. I DID answer your question. You must not have understood. I disapprove of people protesting a funeral of someone I care about, BECAUSE that person MEANS something to me. That is WHY I disapprove of it. Ronnie James Dio does not MEAN anything to me; ACCORDINGLY, I do not care or disapprove if people protest his funeral. I mean, I've probably said this three times now. How hard is it to comprehend?

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

It's incredibly difficult for me to understand why you think it's okay.

Now let me ask you: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about? You may think this question to be trivial or obvious, but please answer it.

Darth-Caedus

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

Precisely.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Because I care about that person. I do not care about Ronnie James Dio, and thus I do not care that people are protesting his funeral. Do other people care about Ronnie James Dio? Sure. Let them care about the protesters.

Elephant_Couple

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask again: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about?

No no. I DID answer your question. You must not have understood. I disapprove of people protesting a funeral of someone I care about, BECAUSE that person MEANS something to me. That is WHY I disapprove of it. Ronnie James Dio does not MEAN anything to me; ACCORDINGLY, I do not care or disapprove if people protest his funeral. I mean, I've probably said this three times now. How hard is it to comprehend?

No, you misunderstand me. My question is, given you care about a person, why do you not want others to protest at their funeral? Answering "because I care about them" is not an answer but merely a restatement of the premise.

Let me ask another question as well. Let's say off in Country X, Person Y, who you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, is murdered by Person Z, another person you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, for reasons that do not affect you. Would you not disapprove of the murder simply because you do not care about Person Y?

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask again: why do you disapprove of protesting the funeral of someone you care about?

chessmaster1989

No no. I DID answer your question. You must not have understood. I disapprove of people protesting a funeral of someone I care about, BECAUSE that person MEANS something to me. That is WHY I disapprove of it. Ronnie James Dio does not MEAN anything to me; ACCORDINGLY, I do not care or disapprove if people protest his funeral. I mean, I've probably said this three times now. How hard is it to comprehend?

No, you misunderstand me. My question is, given you care about a person, why do you not want others to protest at their funeral? Answering "because I care about them" is not an answer but merely a restatement of the premise.

Let me ask another question as well. Let's say off in Country X, Person Y, who you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, is murdered by Person Z, another person you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, for reasons that do not affect you. Would you not disapprove of the murder simply because you do not care about Person Y?

I'll begin first by answering your second question. Very simply put, murder does not equate to protesting.

Now in response to your first question, it is not a restatement of the premise. It is the reason I don't want someone protesting the funeral of someone I know...because that person means something to me, and it would offend me if they protested for that reason. Do I care that Ronnie James Dio's family, friends, and fans are offended? No.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

No no. I DID answer your question. You must not have understood. I disapprove of people protesting a funeral of someone I care about, BECAUSE that person MEANS something to me. That is WHY I disapprove of it. Ronnie James Dio does not MEAN anything to me; ACCORDINGLY, I do not care or disapprove if people protest his funeral. I mean, I've probably said this three times now. How hard is it to comprehend?

Elephant_Couple

No, you misunderstand me. My question is, given you care about a person, why do you not want others to protest at their funeral? Answering "because I care about them" is not an answer but merely a restatement of the premise.

Let me ask another question as well. Let's say off in Country X, Person Y, who you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, is murdered by Person Z, another person you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, for reasons that do not affect you. Would you not disapprove of the murder simply because you do not care about Person Y?

I'll begin first by answering your second question. Very simply put, murder does not equate to protesting.

Now in response to your first question, it is not a restatement of the premise. It is the reason I don't want someone protesting the funeral of someone I know...because that person means something to me, and it would offend me if they protested for that reason. Do I care that Ronnie James Dio's family, friends, and fans are offended? No.

So what is it about murder that makes you care that Person Y was murdered, even though you don't know him and aren't impacted by his death, whereas you don't care about Person A's (who you likewise don't know and aren't impacted by) funeral being protested?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

No no. I DID answer your question. You must not have understood. I disapprove of people protesting a funeral of someone I care about, BECAUSE that person MEANS something to me. That is WHY I disapprove of it. Ronnie James Dio does not MEAN anything to me; ACCORDINGLY, I do not care or disapprove if people protest his funeral. I mean, I've probably said this three times now. How hard is it to comprehend?

Elephant_Couple

No, you misunderstand me. My question is, given you care about a person, why do you not want others to protest at their funeral? Answering "because I care about them" is not an answer but merely a restatement of the premise.

Let me ask another question as well. Let's say off in Country X, Person Y, who you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, is murdered by Person Z, another person you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, for reasons that do not affect you. Would you not disapprove of the murder simply because you do not care about Person Y?

I'll begin first by answering your second question. Very simply put, murder does not equate to protesting.

Now in response to your first question, it is not a restatement of the premise. It is the reason I don't want someone protesting the funeral of someone I know...because that person means something to me, and it would offend me if they protested for that reason. Do I care that Ronnie James Dio's family, friends, and fans are offended? No.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This thread got ugly. Dude doesn't have to care about someone he doesn't know. What's the big deal about that? He did not justify the WBC from what I've read....LJS9502_basic

I have no issue with him not caring about Dio dying. I have an issue with him thinking it's okay for WBC to protest at Dio's funeral. I have an issue with anyone thinking it's okay for anyone to protest at anyone's funeral.

Lol, Crazies.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, you misunderstand me. My question is, given you care about a person, why do you not want others to protest at their funeral? Answering "because I care about them" is not an answer but merely a restatement of the premise.

Let me ask another question as well. Let's say off in Country X, Person Y, who you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, is murdered by Person Z, another person you've never heard of, met, or have any knowledge of, for reasons that do not affect you. Would you not disapprove of the murder simply because you do not care about Person Y?

chessmaster1989

I'll begin first by answering your second question. Very simply put, murder does not equate to protesting.

Now in response to your first question, it is not a restatement of the premise. It is the reason I don't want someone protesting the funeral of someone I know...because that person means something to me, and it would offend me if they protested for that reason. Do I care that Ronnie James Dio's family, friends, and fans are offended? No.

So what is it about murder that makes you care that Person Y was murdered, even though you don't know him and aren't impacted by his death, whereas you don't care about Person A's (who you likewise don't know and aren't impacted by) funeral being protested?

Murder involves taking the life of another human being. Shouting things at a funeral involves, well, shouting things at a funeral. Those don't equate at all.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

I'll begin first by answering your second question. Very simply put, murder does not equate to protesting.

Now in response to your first question, it is not a restatement of the premise. It is the reason I don't want someone protesting the funeral of someone I know...because that person means something to me, and it would offend me if they protested for that reason. Do I care that Ronnie James Dio's family, friends, and fans are offended? No.

Elephant_Couple

So what is it about murder that makes you care that Person Y was murdered, even though you don't know him and aren't impacted by his death, whereas you don't care about Person A's (who you likewise don't know and aren't impacted by) funeral being protested?

Murder involves taking the life of another human being. Shouting things at a funeral involves, well, shouting things at a funeral. Those don't equate at all.

They are different, I never denied that, but you didn't answer my question. What exactly is it about murder that you find more appalling? Note that in both cases, some form of harm is being inflicted upon an undeserving individual or individuals. In the case of murder, the murdered is physically harmed. In the case of the funeral, those attending the funeral are emotionally harmed by the protesters.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Cool. I don't like Ronnie James Dio.

Elephant_Couple

Even so you could show some respect for the dead. I personally think it's disgusting that you approve of this.

I don't necessarily approve of it, but they can do what they want. Whatever. It's cool. I don't like or respect Ronnie James Dio.

If it were dead miitary personel, or someone else I respected or liked, I'd strongly disapprove of it.

Oh so if it's a military personel, that changes everything :roll: