We don't actually own our software, now confirmed by the 9th Circuit.

It's a court ruling that affects the U.S. market. Europe is more lax on this sort of thing.

QuistisTrepe_

This is one of those times I wish we could learn a few things from Europe.

QuistisTrepe_

I can see 3 possible futures for this

1. Its simple forgotten, as it deals with more specialty product and case.

2. Goes to higher court.

3. A large corporation sues a place selling used items(like gamestop), and thus goes back to court.

It's differnt here but no better. Atleast in the UK there's little real responsibility. 1million people (60th of population) actively protested against invading Iraq and yet we still went, all the parties are pretty much the same and when they're in office they can do the opposite of what they said they'd do and no one can do anything about it.markop2003

Then I stand corrected. I had believed that because of the way software is classified by applicable laws that EULAs weren't nearly as restrictive in European countries as they were in the U.S. market.

Goodbye used video game sales.

Goodbye retro games (can't buy those new.)

Goodbye gamefly, blockbuster, etc.

Goodbye Game industry.

Pixel-Pirate

How so? The only people who benefit from all those things you listed are 3rd parties and not the actual people who provide the content Publishers will still be getting the same or even more sales but it's Gamestop etc who loses out.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Goodbye used video game sales.

Goodbye retro games (can't buy those new.)

Goodbye gamefly, blockbuster, etc.

Goodbye Game industry.

Espada12

How so? The only people who benefit from all those things you listed are 3rd parties and not the actual people who provide the content Publishers will still be getting the same or even more sales but it's Gamestop etc who loses out.

Retro games can cause people to want to play newer versions of a game/get excited about up coming sequels.

Many people rent games before they buy it. If I could not rent, I'd never buy games.

Piracy will also go WAY up.

This WILL have an impact on the industry as a whole.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Goodbye used video game sales.

Goodbye retro games (can't buy those new.)

Goodbye gamefly, blockbuster, etc.

Goodbye Game industry.

Pixel-Pirate

How so? The only people who benefit from all those things you listed are 3rd parties and not the actual people who provide the content Publishers will still be getting the same or even more sales but it's Gamestop etc who loses out.

Retro games can cause people to want to play newer versions of a game/get excited about up coming sequels.

Many people rent games before they buy it. If I could not rent, I'd never buy games.

Piracy will also go WAY up.

This WILL have an impact on the industry as a whole.

As a whole? Yes. Publishers? No... and those are the guys providing the games so they don't care.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

How so? The only people who benefit from all those things you listed are 3rd parties and not the actual people who provide the content Publishers will still be getting the same or even more sales but it's Gamestop etc who loses out.

Espada12

Retro games can cause people to want to play newer versions of a game/get excited about up coming sequels.

Many people rent games before they buy it. If I could not rent, I'd never buy games.

Piracy will also go WAY up.

This WILL have an impact on the industry as a whole.

As a whole? Yes. Publishers? No... and those are the guys providing the games so they don't care.

Because a highly inflated piracy rate won't affect them. Nor will fewer purchases :|

Oh what a surprise a stupid ruling by the 9th circus......

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Retro games can cause people to want to play newer versions of a game/get excited about up coming sequels.

Many people rent games before they buy it. If I could not rent, I'd never buy games.

Piracy will also go WAY up.

This WILL have an impact on the industry as a whole.

Pixel-Pirate

As a whole? Yes. Publishers? No... and those are the guys providing the games so they don't care.

Because a highly inflated piracy rate won't affect them. Nor will fewer purchases :|

This will only apply to EULA's that do not allow for reselling or transferring of a license. It all depends on what is stated and if the EULA allows for transfer, it is OK. As I posted in System Wars:

Here is the EULA for Microsoft's Flight Simulator:

[quote="MSFS EU LA"]

Software Transfer. The initial licensee of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and SOFTWARE PRODUCT only directly to an end user. This transfer must include all of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). Such transfer may not be by way of consignment or any other indirect transfer. The transferee of such one-time transfer must agree to comply with the terms of this EULA, including the obligation not to further transfer this EULA and SOFTWARE PRODUCT.WhiteKnight77

4. Program Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this License Agreement, provided the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement and you agree to remove the Program from your home or portable computer.Homeworld2 EULA

EULAs are also a way to try and circumvent provisions of copyright law and that includes the first sale doctrine. You can transfer or sell a PC game as long as you meet the requirements needed.

Starcraft 2 doesn't allow for transfer of said license. Are console games licensed, most likely, but first sale doctrine does come into play, but a retailer selling a used game doesn't necessarily have protection under the first sale doctrine.

This sounds counter-productive... If people have less incentive to buy something, like not being able to re-sell it, they'll just obtain it without paying for it at all. kamikaze_pigmy

Exactly. This whole thing is just designed to make the software companies more money, since they want each individual to have to pay them directly for their product. Resale is a huge part of our economy. Laws like this are so dumb. Once I buy a piece of software, I should have every right to sell it to somebody else if I don't feel I need it anymore. I'm not renting the CD/DVD, I'm buying it. I think that if they want to basically outlaw resale of software, they need to buy the CD or DVD back from me once I'm done with it, at full price. They can use whatever copy-protection schemes they want to on the disc itself.

Can you imagine if we started passing laws like this about everything? If I couldn't resell a chair that I bought, but don't need/want anymore? I'm sure that if there was a way to enforce that like there is software, the law would already be in place. As software becomes more and more a part of our everyday lives, it's imperative that we be able to resell it like anything else that we don't need anymore.

Once again, this goes to prove that our government is all about money, and all about helping the big businesses.