Weed cures AIDS according to a new study. YAY potheads

It's never been proven to be that dangerous, I don't even smoke it but I don't understand why it's illegal in most countries and cigarettes aren't.

CROKODILE are you aware that everyone in the world is not a carbon copy of you? or is this like that jersey shore thing where everyone you know is you? [spoiler] inb4 "how did you know i was from jersey shore" [/spoiler] Jandurin

i am superior to you and therefore am right

Crokodile69

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Its official...I'm starting to smoke by the end of this week...CptJSparrow

I can hear that whining sound again...

Starting to hurt ma head.

Think I'll go to bed.

Iszdope

This thread took on a mentally stimulating discussion....not.LJS9502_basic

Well considering the astounding amount of ignorance on both sides of the fence, the fact that 50% didnt read the article, and that people just want to bash or unwittingly support it i'd say yeah this is a doomed thread. To be honest though I tried to stimulate discussion last night but... I forgot no one actually likes to talk about subjects on hand.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

One of the biggest problems in regards to the issue of marijuana is that people on both sides of the fence make up exaggerated, and completely asinine arguments. It's not some dangerious substance that turns it's users into foaming-at-the-mouth psychotics or burnt-out unproductive slugs. Nor is it some panacea that can cure all illness and would make the world a wonderful place if they would just legalise it. It's a substance with pros and cons, just like everything else.

Crokodile69

oh wait, you cant, there are none

It can cause respiratory problems. It can impair fetal growth. It can effect memory. And yes, it can be addictive. While is one of the least harmful drugs out there is it not without its potential for negative effects. Of course I can tell that you're quite biased, so you'll probably just stick your fingers in your ears and say "nahnahnahnah I can't hear you".

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Actually is causes erectile dysfunction(fertility issues).coolbeans90

It's not. It actually makes you capable of more secks for longer periods of time, while increasing sensitivity.

Marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy smokers can experience erectile dysfunction.

These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead overall complete infertility

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3186686.stm

*Same goes for people who smoke tobacco minus the THC effects.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Crokodile69"]name 1 con

oh wait, you cant, there are none

Iszdope

It can cause respiratory problems. It can impair fetal growth. It can effect memory. And yes, it can be addictive. While is one of the least harmful drugs out there is it not without its potential for negative effects. Of course I can tell that you're quite biased, so you'll probably just stick your fingers in your ears and say "nahnahnahnah I can't hear you".

Nah, he's more likely to want to cum somewhere nice 'n warm on your person.

He has to buy me dinner first. And it can't be some place cheap.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] You have the aids?Iszdope

Ooh. Devil face.

Conflicted. Told ya!

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] never heard about that. i dont think its true.Fightingfan

It's not. It actually makes you capable of more secks for longer periods of time, while increasing sensitivity.

Marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy smokers can experience erectile dysfunction.

These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead overall complete infertility

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3186686.stm

*Same goes for people who smoke tobacco minus the THC effects.

The problem is majority of research on mariujana, and anything not given enough time, is it's nothing more than speculation. (Like it "curing" AIDS. :lol: .) When numerous people have had no problems with having children and I personally have never had erectile disfunction, it makes it tough to take these types of studies as valid. I have experienced a drop in Libido on some nights but that is usually more affected by what kind of day ive had or mood im in, and is in no way permanent or is it erectile disfunction.

All im saying is dont believe everything you hear until its been given time to truly be fully researched. A prime example is tobacco.

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.

Marijuana research is actually a very recent thing and is mostly comprised of hypothesis and theory. I just find it hard to agree with these types of studies without more research done, or people around me suffering the problems to prove it.

look at it like this. Lets say I see a published story come out that says a specific pill prevents colds in 100% of the cases in human trials. Then another study verifies it. In fact, every expert in the world comes out and says colds no longer exist -- the pill has eradicated them.

But most people I knew who took this miracle pill still got colds. Worse than that, I took the pill myself and all of my friends who were on the pill kept giving the cold to me. Pretty soon I would dismiss those studies and no matter how many times I see it I would not believe it. Sooner or later I would have to believe my own eyes and ears, basically my own instincts, more than expert opinion.

[QUOTE="Crokodile69"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

One of the biggest problems in regards to the issue of marijuana is that people on both sides of the fence make up exaggerated, and completely asinine arguments. It's not some dangerious substance that turns it's users into foaming-at-the-mouth psychotics or burnt-out unproductive slugs. Nor is it some panacea that can cure all illness and would make the world a wonderful place if they would just legalise it. It's a substance with pros and cons, just like everything else.

worlock77

oh wait, you cant, there are none

It can cause respiratory problems. It can impair fetal growth. It can effect memory. And yes, it can be addictive. While is one of the least harmful drugs out there is it not without its potential for negative effects. Of course I can tell that you're quite biased, so you'll probably just stick your fingers in your ears and say "nahnahnahnah I can't hear you".

it seems as though youre the one sticking his fingers in his ears and going "nahnahnahnah", youre pulling all these points out your ass without even fully looking into it like i have, i have seen all the studies, you have not judging by what youre posting

sit down little boy

i don't really care if it cures or causes diseases, i just wanna get high

needled24-7

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It's not. It actually makes you capable of more secks for longer periods of time, while increasing sensitivity.

Hubadubalubahu

Marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy smokers can experience erectile dysfunction.

These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead overall complete infertility

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3186686.stm

*Same goes for people who smoke tobacco minus the THC effects.

The problem is majority of research on mariujana, and anything not given enough time, is it's nothing more than speculation. (Like it "curing" AIDS. :lol: .) When numerous people have had no problems with having children and I personally have never had erectile disfunction, it makes it tough to take these types of studies as valid. I have experienced a drop in Libido on some nights but that is usually more affected by what kind of day ive had or mood im in, and is in no way permanent or is it erectile disfunction.

All im saying is dont believe everything you hear until its been given time to truly be fully researched. A prime example is tobacco.

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.

Marijuana research is actually a very recent thing and is mostly comprised of hypothesis and theory. I just find it hard to agree with these types of studies without more research done, or people around me suffering the problems to prove it.

look at it like this. Lets say I see a published story come out that says a specific pill prevents colds in 100% of the cases in human trials. Then another study verifies it. In fact, every expert in the world comes out and says colds no longer exist -- the pill has eradicated them.

But most people I knew who took this miracle pill still got colds. Worse than that, I took the pill myself and all of my friends who were on the pill kept giving the cold to me. Pretty soon I would dismiss those studies and no matter how many times I see it I would not believe it. Sooner or later I would have to believe my own eyes and ears, basically my own instincts, more than expert opinion.

That's a really great point of view, and yeah, I agree with you. You till have the effects of absorbing carbon dioxide into the respiratory system/blood, I just can't think of any beneficial health reason one would smoke.

The only thing marijuana does that's 'unique' is offer more dopamine to the brain, but that can easily be obtain from sex, or even eating your favorite food.

*Also it doesn't "Cure aids" it shrinks it :P

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.Hubadubalubahu

This is incredibly misleading. The 1964 Surgeon General's Report simply called it a "habit" instead of an addiction. It is only a semantic difference. But what that report is famous for is that it was the first official declaration made by the US government in relation to the negative health effects of tobacco smoking.

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy smokers can experience erectile dysfunction.

These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead overall complete infertility

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3186686.stm

*Same goes for people who smoke tobacco minus the THC effects.

Fightingfan

The problem is majority of research on mariujana, and anything not given enough time, is it's nothing more than speculation. (Like it "curing" AIDS. :lol: .) When numerous people have had no problems with having children and I personally have never had erectile disfunction, it makes it tough to take these types of studies as valid. I have experienced a drop in Libido on some nights but that is usually more affected by what kind of day ive had or mood im in, and is in no way permanent or is it erectile disfunction.

All im saying is dont believe everything you hear until its been given time to truly be fully researched. A prime example is tobacco.

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.

Marijuana research is actually a very recent thing and is mostly comprised of hypothesis and theory. I just find it hard to agree with these types of studies without more research done, or people around me suffering the problems to prove it.

look at it like this. Lets say I see a published story come out that says a specific pill prevents colds in 100% of the cases in human trials. Then another study verifies it. In fact, every expert in the world comes out and says colds no longer exist -- the pill has eradicated them.

But most people I knew who took this miracle pill still got colds. Worse than that, I took the pill myself and all of my friends who were on the pill kept giving the cold to me. Pretty soon I would dismiss those studies and no matter how many times I see it I would not believe it. Sooner or later I would have to believe my own eyes and ears, basically my own instincts, more than expert opinion.

That's a really great point of view, and yeah, I agree with you. You till have the effects of absorbing carbon dioxide into the respiratory system/blood, I just can't think of any beneficial health reason one would smoke.

The only thing marijuana does that's 'unique' is offer more dopamine to the brain, but that can easily be obtain from sex, or even eating your favorite food.

*Also it doesn't "Cure aids" it shrinks it :P

Thats why you learn to cook ;) The most detrimental thing I can think of besides the obvious lung/respiratory damage while smoking it is the dopamine dependency. The whole "high" is caused by THC stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine. While it's not physically addicting I find that when I quit smoking it I get very depressed. This happens because your body gets used to the increased amounts of dopamine being produced and actually slows down your natural production of dopamine. So when you quit smoking not only do you not have the high amounts you had while smoking it but your body actually produces less dopamine than it needs too.(Although I have a history with depression so that may be part of it.)

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.-Sun_Tzu-

This is incredibly misleading. The 1964 Surgeon General's Report simply called it a "habit" instead of an addiction. It is only a semantic difference. But what that report is famous for is that it was the first official declaration made by the US government in relation to the negative health effects of tobacco smoking.

It is in no way misleading It insisted that the "tobacco habit should be characterized as an habituation rather than an addiction." They denied nicotine being an addictive substance. Its not misleading

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

It was clearly spelled out in the 1964 Surgeon General's Report that cigarette smoking was not an addiction. In the report of the Surgeon General back in 1979 the Surgeon General was starting to say that maybe it was an addiction, but still had put the emphasis on the habit of smoking being the primary problem. In 1988 the Surgeon General finally issued a report stating once and for all that nicotine was an addictive substance. For 24 years if you said cigarettes were addictive you would of been wrong.Hubadubalubahu

This is incredibly misleading. The 1964 Surgeon General's Report simply called it a "habit" instead of an addiction. It is only a semantic difference. But what that report is famous for is that it was the first official declaration made by the US government in relation to the negative health effects of tobacco smoking.

It is in no way misleading It insisted that the "tobacco habit should be characterized as an habituation rather than an addiction." They denied nicotine being an addictive substance. Its not misleading

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

This is incredibly misleading. The 1964 Surgeon General's Report simply called it a "habit" instead of an addiction. It is only a semantic difference. But what that report is famous for is that it was the first official declaration made by the US government in relation to the negative health effects of tobacco smoking.

-Sun_Tzu-

It is in no way misleading It insisted that the "tobacco habit should be characterized as an habituation rather than an addiction." They denied nicotine being an addictive substance. Its not misleading

Im sorry if thats how you misinterpreted it but the point of bringing that up was that you shouldn't believe every scientific study you read about. Like nicotine not being an addictive substance.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

It is in no way misleading It insisted that the "tobacco habit should be characterized as an habituation rather than an addiction." They denied nicotine being an addictive substance. Its not misleading

Hubadubalubahu

Im sorry if thats how you misinterpreted it but the point of bringing that up was that you shouldn't believe every scientific study you read about. Like nicotine not being an addictive substance.

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And that is just a difference in semantics. You made it seem in your post that in 1964 the Surgeon General was denying the danger of tobacco. The biggest problem with tobacco is not that it is addicting, but the very serious long term health effects that it has on the human body; i.e. cancer, respiratory illness, cardiovascular disease, ect. -Sun_Tzu-

Im sorry if thats how you misinterpreted it but the point of bringing that up was that you shouldn't believe every scientific study you read about. Like nicotine not being an addictive substance.

Habituation is the decline of a conditioned response following
repeated exposure to a conditioned stimulus.

Addiction is being abnormally dependent on something that is
psychologically or physically habit-forming.

Edit: Either way your missing the whole reason I put that in my post. If you would read the rest you would realize that this was just being used asan example and we are sowly derailing this thread pursuing this discussion.

And that is just a difference in semantics. You made it seem in your post that in 1964 the Surgeon General was denying the danger of tobacco. The biggest problem with tobacco is not that it is addicting, but the very serious long term health effects that it has on the human body; i.e. cancer, respiratory illness, cardiovascular disease, ect. -Sun_Tzu-

Im sorry if thats how you misinterpreted it but the point of bringing that up was that you shouldn't believe every scientific study you read about. Like nicotine not being an addictive substance.

good thing i already smoke it.:cool: