Were people in the "Bible" era just plain stupid?

I was thinking this when I thought of the story in the bible that says how god killed all of egypt's first-born childs. Even after this astonishing thing happened, the pharoah still ordered his men to chase the jews across the sea.

Two things confound me here:

If you just saw with your OWN eyes a spiritual being go to town on all the first born childs, why would you even consider not worshipping him, you were even warned ahead of time.

People this day and age are always asking for proof of god's existence. If you were put into the egyptians' position and god did mass murder on your children, would you honestly go against what god wants you to do from that point on, like the pharoah did?

Just assume that the bible is a true book for a second here, why wasnt this genocide enough for the people of the world to accept a god?

Short answer - yes

the old testament says: god made the king of Egypt stuborn to show the hebrews his power so they would have more faith in him

i'm pretty sure that answers your question

Because first most people would not of heard of moses, no telephone or Internet, messages take a long time to get around.

second anyone who did hear about it would of been told some propaganda by the pharoah so he could continue his vice like grip through religion.
Big_player

Even though messages take a long time to get around, atleast the egyptians would have realized that the jews actually did have a god on their side and converted, but for some reason, they didnt, and instead decided to just go attacking the jews again.

I bet they over-exagerated this. It's probably a virus that killed some male baby and everyone went crazy and some idiot figured it would be nice to say that it's all God fault.

the old testament says: god made the king of Egypt stuborn to show the hebrews his power so they would have more faith in him

i'm pretty sure that answers your question

solo-chaos

That's one person though. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the population would realize what was going on after the 5th plague or whatever it was.

a lot of these reasons make sense especially the one where they thought it was magic

before the last plauge Egyptian magicans were able to duplicate the divine things that Moses was able to do

Moses made the nile blood so did the Egyptian magicans with water so they probably thought it was just a trick

I bet they over-exagerated this. It's probably a virus that killed some male baby and everyone went crazy and some idiot figured it would be nice to say that it's all God fault.

Franko_3

yep thats probally what happend. the thing about the bible it was wrote in a time where the people didnt know anything about anything really. the bible was probally just written as like a fiction story and somehow the people back then couldnt understand the concept of fiction and said it was real.

[QUOTE="solo-chaos"]

the old testament says: god made the king of Egypt stuborn to show the hebrews his power so they would have more faith in him

i'm pretty sure that answers your question

ice144

That's one person though. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the population would realize what was going on after the 5th plague or whatever it was.

Or maybe the Jews were the ones that killed the Egytian first borns and this was a retaliation. Also we are dumber today and getting dumber everyday.

I bet they over-exagerated this. It's probably a virus that killed some male baby and everyone went crazy and some idiot figured it would be nice to say that it's all God fault.

Franko_3

Sadly there is no real evidence for pretty much ANY of the old testament stories. Of course, you ask a Christian science archaeologist you may get a real answer, but I think you'll find most of their 'theories' don't even make it to peer review, much less survive it.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

I bet they over-exagerated this. It's probably a virus that killed some male baby and everyone went crazy and some idiot figured it would be nice to say that it's all God fault.

RKfromDownunder

Sadly there is no real evidence for pretty much ANY of the old testament stories. Of course, you ask a Christian science archaeologist you may get a real answer, but I think you'll find most of their 'theories' don't even make it to peer review, much less survive it.

Lets not forget that the Egyptians have no history of anything the bible talks about. Its a story written by man with some good morals and values thrown in with alot of evil. Just a wierd book in my opinion.

[QUOTE="RKfromDownunder"][QUOTE="Franko_3"]

I bet they over-exagerated this. It's probably a virus that killed some male baby and everyone went crazy and some idiot figured it would be nice to say that it's all God fault.

balindos

Sadly there is no real evidence for pretty much ANY of the old testament stories. Of course, you ask a Christian science archaeologist you may get a real answer, but I think you'll find most of their 'theories' don't even make it to peer review, much less survive it.

Lets not forget that the Egyptians have no history of anything the bible talks about. Its a story written by man with some good morals and values thrown in with alot of evil. Just a wierd book in my opinion.

To play devil's advocate, do most civs have a history of what the bible talks about?

Because God has never affected life on earth, regardless of whether he does or doesn't exist. It's too convenient for him to be so active during Biblical times and not do anything now.SolidSnake35

Also, the most that said God made the pharoah (sp?) stubbron... how convenient. "God did this, but he also wiped everyones memories, just so people would believe his power."

If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. 123625

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

I am still trying to figure out how god was justified in killing the first born..

An eye for an eye does not make sense.. The first born were odviously for the most part ignorant of this whole conflict with Moses, nor did they have any choice.. God must have been a real bastard in thinking it was a good idea to kill a bunch of ignorant children who had no power to begin with to make a choice..

But then who am I kidding, god afterall supposedly submerged the entrie planet.. Killing millions. This is of course only if you are one of THOSE people who thinks everything in the bible is 100% true.

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. darkmoney52

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. 123625

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. darkmoney52

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

Before they wandered the desert for 40 years, they were stupid. As soon as they left egypt they were brought to mount Horeb (is it? I can't remember) and despite just leaving egypt and seeing all the things God had done for them, they still worshipped a calf nobody heard about. Remember this was before they were wandering the desert, plus I think they deserved it.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. 123625

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

Before they wandered the desert for 40 years, they were stupid. As soon as they left egypt they were brought to mount Horeb (is it? I can't remember) and despite just leaving egypt and seeing all the things God had done for them, they still worshipped a calf nobody heard about. Remember this was before they were wandering the desert, plus I think they deserved it.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. 123625

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

Before they wandered the desert for 40 years, they were stupid. As soon as they left egypt they were brought to mount Horeb (is it? I can't remember) and despite just leaving egypt and seeing all the things God had done for them, they still worshipped a calf nobody heard about. Remember this was before they were wandering the desert, plus I think they deserved it.

Ah, well like I said I'm not too familiar with the Bible. I guess it does seem a tad ungratefull to have no faith in God right after he killed hordes of small chilldren for you. Anyway, I don't think that that means the jews deserved decades wandering through the desert, they just didn't want to abandon the religeon they had so much faith in; how much do you think it would take to sway modern day Christians from their religeon?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. darkmoney52

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

Before they wandered the desert for 40 years, they were stupid. As soon as they left egypt they were brought to mount Horeb (is it? I can't remember) and despite just leaving egypt and seeing all the things God had done for them, they still worshipped a calf nobody heard about. Remember this was before they were wandering the desert, plus I think they deserved it.

Ah, well like I said I'm not too familiar with the Bible. I guess it does seem a tad ungratefull to have no faith in God right after he killed hordes of small chilldren for you. Anyway, I don't think that that means the jews deserved decades wandering through the desert, they just didn't want to abandon the religeon they had so much faith in; how much do you think it would take to sway modern day Christians from their religeon?

Its cool, now you've learnt something. I would like to add also that the egyptians did kill all the first borns years before, so its kinda fair, but not really. And what religion are you talking about?

Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.DigitalExile

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="123625"]If I assume the events described in genesis after abraham true, I would consider them all stupid. Hell the jews still had doubt despite seeing all the things God did for them, and yeah the pharoh was pretty stupid as well. 123625

I'm not really that familiar with the Bible, but if their doubt was a result of all those years wandering in the desert than I can't really blame them. Extreme heat has a way of making everything else seem somewhat inconsequential.

And if you remember before that, they worshiped the golden calf(was it?) when Moses went and recieved the ten commandments. Plus even after that he provided them with support in winning skirmishes and battle, and even gave them manna and water. So to be honest I think still think they're stupid.

You say that because you're thinking logically, well hydrated behind a computer. Things just sort of get ****ed up during years-long treks through the desert. In any case, in the face of murder most people are more likely to respond with hostility and violence than logic.

Before they wandered the desert for 40 years, they were stupid. As soon as they left egypt they were brought to mount Horeb (is it? I can't remember) and despite just leaving egypt and seeing all the things God had done for them, they still worshipped a calf nobody heard about. Remember this was before they were wandering the desert, plus I think they deserved it.

Ah, well like I said I'm not too familiar with the Bible. I guess it does seem a tad ungratefull to have no faith in God right after he killed hordes of small chilldren for you. Anyway, I don't think that that means the jews deserved decades wandering through the desert, they just didn't want to abandon the religeon they had so much faith in; how much do you think it would take to sway modern day Christians from their religeon?

Its cool, now you've learnt something. I would like to add also that the egyptians did kill all the first borns years before, so its kinda fair, but not really. And what religion are you talking about?

The calf God you mentioned earlier. I'd never heard about the egyptions sacrificing their own first borns before, but that would explain why they wouldn't have reacted much from their first borns being killed in the plaugue. Just more craziness in an already crazy society.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.123625

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.sSubZerOo

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

The calf God you mentioned earlier. I'd never heard about the egyptions sacrificing their own first borns before, but that would explain why they wouldn't have reacted much from their first borns being killed in the plaugue. Just more craziness in an already crazy society.darkmoney52

Lol, exodus tells us that the pharoh feared a prophecy (I think, not quite sure) and ordered that all first born children must be killed in order to stop the prophecy.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]The calf God you mentioned earlier. I'd never heard about the egyptions sacrificing their own first borns before, but that would explain why they wouldn't have reacted much from their first borns being killed in the plaugue. Just more craziness in an already crazy society.123625

Lol, exodus tells us that the pharoh feared a prophecy (I think, not quite sure) and ordered that all first born children must be killed in order to stop the prophecy.

I'm not quite sure I understand the timeline, but if that was why the egyptions killed their first-bornes before Moses than it sounds like it did the trick. After killing their first-bornes without God for a while it didn't seem all that divine when God did it himself.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.123625

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

THEY DESERVED IT? WTH kind of logic is this, WHAT PERSON DESERVES TO DIE FOR A BELIEF they have.. This is facist/communist/dictators reasoning.

FREE will buddy, your god is murderous in nature and vengeful.. If you certainly consider this the right thing to do, then you are not just, your not even handed etc etc..

Top that off I find this hypocritical.. Religious followers tend on faith all the time.. Christians also say that Satan plays many tricks to test their faith.. So what exactly don't you get that the Jews during that held faith to their original god over the possible false messiah.. This is awful and I find you completely inhumane for doing such a thing.. So what your saying that god isn't for free will because you odviously made numerous die intill their will was bent in his favor.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.123625

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

And they did there journey in stages and made MANY stops along the way which, if they stayed for a considerable amount of time, would make up those 40 years. It's not like they spent the whole time walking.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]The calf God you mentioned earlier. I'd never heard about the egyptions sacrificing their own first borns before, but that would explain why they wouldn't have reacted much from their first borns being killed in the plaugue. Just more craziness in an already crazy society.darkmoney52

Lol, exodus tells us that the pharoh feared a prophecy (I think, not quite sure) and ordered that all first born children must be killed in order to stop the prophecy.

I'm not quite sure I understand the timeline, but if that was why the egyptions killed their first-bornes before Moses than it sounds like it did the trick. After killing their first-bornes without God for a while it didn't seem all that divine when God did it himself.

I'll sumerize the timeline for you from Abraham.

Well Moses was apart of that generation, he was looked after for three months by his mother then placed in the river and went to the queen (I think), then Moses's sister made a deal with some one and Moses was probably the only one to live. And God didn't actually kill the first borns, he sent an angel of death to go through the streets. Or at least how the bible tells it. I suggest you genesis and exodus if you wanna know ;)

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.Ezgam3r

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

And they did there journey in stages and made MANY stops along the way which, if they stayed for a considerable amount of time, would make up those 40 years. It's not like they spent the whole time walking.

.......... The majority of people didn't even live to go beyond 40 years.. So chances are once they left the desert, the majority of people who began it were dead.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.sSubZerOo

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

THEY DESERVED IT? WTH kind of logic is this, WHAT PERSON DESERVES TO DIE FOR A BELIEF they have.. This is facist/communist/dictators reasoning.

FREE will buddy, your god is murderous in nature and vengeful.. If you certainly consider this the right thing to do, then you are not just, your not even handed etc etc..

Top that off I find this hypocritical.. Religious followers tend on faith all the time.. Christians also say that Satan plays many tricks to test their faith.. So what exactly don't you get that the Jews during that held faith to their original god over the possible false messiah.. This is awful and I find you completely inhumane for doing such a thing.. So what your saying that god isn't for free will because you odviously made numerous die intill their will was bent in his favor.

He might be all those things, if the events actually happened ;) And are you changing the subject to Jesus now?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.123625

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

THEY DESERVED IT? WTH kind of logic is this, WHAT PERSON DESERVES TO DIE FOR A BELIEF they have.. This is facist/communist/dictators reasoning.

FREE will buddy, your god is murderous in nature and vengeful.. If you certainly consider this the right thing to do, then you are not just, your not even handed etc etc..

Top that off I find this hypocritical.. Religious followers tend on faith all the time.. Christians also say that Satan plays many tricks to test their faith.. So what exactly don't you get that the Jews during that held faith to their original god over the possible false messiah.. This is awful and I find you completely inhumane for doing such a thing.. So what your saying that god isn't for free will because you odviously made numerous die intill their will was bent in his favor.

He might be all those things, if the events actually happened ;) And are you changing the subject to Jesus now?

No you misinterpreted me.. My point on the matter is faith is huge for religious people after all.. If we had some prophet today, that does some spectacular things in the name of some new god.. There would be many people who would decry him a agent of satan.. But some how on the reversal where the jews in the desert held their faith to their god, they should be punished?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.Ezgam3r

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

And they did there journey in stages and made MANY stops along the way which, if they stayed for a considerable amount of time, would make up those 40 years. It's not like they spent the whole time walking.

Ah thanks for that, its been a while since i've read genesis or exodus so I can't quite remember it. Though i do think If they had more faith, it would've taken less time.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.sSubZerOo

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

THEY DESERVED IT? WTH kind of logic is this, WHAT PERSON DESERVES TO DIE FOR A BELIEF they have.. This is facist/communist/dictators reasoning.

FREE will buddy, your god is murderous in nature and vengeful.. If you certainly consider this the right thing to do, then you are not just, your not even handed etc etc..

Top that off I find this hypocritical.. Religious followers tend on faith all the time.. Christians also say that Satan plays many tricks to test their faith.. So what exactly don't you get that the Jews during that held faith to their original god over the possible false messiah.. This is awful and I find you completely inhumane for doing such a thing.. So what your saying that god isn't for free will because you odviously made numerous die intill their will was bent in his favor.

He might be all those things, if the events actually happened ;) And are you changing the subject to Jesus now?

No you misinterpreted me.. My point on the matter is faith is huge for religious people after all.. If we had some prophet today, that does some spectacular things in the name of some new god.. There would be many people who would decry him a agent of satan.. But some how on the reversal where the jews in the desert held their faith to their god, they should be punished?

That's kind of what I was thinking. If something spectacular were to happen today modern religeons wouldn't convert they would see it as a test of their faith.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.sSubZerOo

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

............. Your rediculous.. SO what your saying is you want people who don't follow your god to be lost with in the desert for years leading to numerous deaths ? Is this not what your saying when you say YOUR FOR IT?

No, I didn't mean that:? I meant that the Jews deserved it because even after seeing all the things their God did for them, they still didn't beleive in him.

THEY DESERVED IT? WTH kind of logic is this, WHAT PERSON DESERVES TO DIE FOR A BELIEF they have.. This is facist/communist/dictators reasoning.

FREE will buddy, your god is murderous in nature and vengeful.. If you certainly consider this the right thing to do, then you are not just, your not even handed etc etc..

Top that off I find this hypocritical.. Religious followers tend on faith all the time.. Christians also say that Satan plays many tricks to test their faith.. So what exactly don't you get that the Jews during that held faith to their original god over the possible false messiah.. This is awful and I find you completely inhumane for doing such a thing.. So what your saying that god isn't for free will because you odviously made numerous die intill their will was bent in his favor.

He might be all those things, if the events actually happened ;) And are you changing the subject to Jesus now?

No you misinterpreted me.. My point on the matter is faith is huge for religious people after all.. If we had some prophet today, that does some spectacular things in the name of some new god.. There would be many people who would decry him a agent of satan.. But some how on the reversal where the jews in the desert held their faith to their god, they should be punished?

If we had some prophet, maybe, but thats only if. And you didn't read the part where i mentioned that after all the things God did for them, they worshipped a golden calf who did nothing for them. So at that point they lost of their faith, and needed to be punished (or so God felt in the bible). But I'm not against God for punishing them.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Plus, walking from Egypt to Israel (or wherever they went) doesn't take 40 years, so they must have been walking around in circles for a few years, which makesa few of them stupid not to have realised. >_>.sSubZerOo

According to the bible, it was God's punishment on them for worshipping another God. And I'm quite for it.

And they did there journey in stages and made MANY stops along the way which, if they stayed for a considerable amount of time, would make up those 40 years. It's not like they spent the whole time walking.

.......... The majority of people didn't even live to go beyond 40 years.. So chances are once they left the desert, the majority of people who began it were dead.

But Moses lived to 120 :o