Western culture is successful because of Greek foundations, not Christianity.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Yeah. Expressing a personal predisposition towards something.unholymight

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Democratik

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.unholymight

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Catering? Hmm, you have used that word several times. If I may know, how old are you? I would make give a guess that you were a student in 10th grade, but I may be well off.

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

unholymight

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

No you were wrong..

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="unholymight"] The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.unholymight

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Democratik"] You like staying as far away from being specific as possible, dont you? I mean, theres a good we both understand each other in this case, but you dont like to use detail in my observations of you. I'd like to know why you make vague statements a lot. Democratik

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No you were wrong..

[QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Christianity (and Christians) had a huge impact on the abolishment of slavery in the USA. And I'm saying that as an athiest! It's not my opinion, it's fact. Many important figures in the movement (such as Harriet Beecher Stowe and John Brown) were Christians who used their beliefs as a means to influence and oppose slavery. Abraham Lincoln, although religiously ambiguous, was a member of the Republican party which, as I stated above, used religion to progress the anti-slavery movement.

And I have to ask-- What is the extent of your education as far as this subject is concerned?

hmm, I disagree.. it' combination of many different factors. You can't really say it's this or that.. it's many different things.. and really.. who's to say western culture has been successful.. That remains to be seen.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] No, I was just curious. Was I right, though?unholymight

No you were wrong..

Those are just songs i like...no you were not close..

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="Democratik"] Slavery has existed longer than christianity.Democratik

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

hmm, I disagree.. it' combination of many different factors. You can't really say it's this or that.. it's many different things.. and really.. who's to say western culture has been successful.. That remains to be seen.

EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="Democratik"] Slavery has existed longer than christianity.Democratik

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] I was referring to the case of America, specifically. I believe you were trying to show that Christianity was a leading cause for the abolishment of slavery. Showing that slavery occurred in other places where Christianity was absent does not lend real support to your argument. If I may be priviledged to ask, are you a junior in high school?unholymight

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

But not your view that it was under Christian watch...also..slavery of the indigenous people of America was abolished by a Christian priest in the 1500's..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Sajedene

i think it was a well known fact that I abolished savery. OT disapoints me

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

unholymight

to come into being, action, or notice; originate; appear; spring up: New problems arise daily.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

hmm, I disagree.. it' combination of many different factors. You can't really say it's this or that.. it's many different things.. and really.. who's to say western culture has been successful.. That remains to be seen.

Democratik

Christianity once said the Earth was flat, and kept anyone from proving this wrong (Galileo). This attitude towards science and observable evidence alone would say something about that.

unholymight

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Penguinchow

Cognitive dissonance as its called…….. if I recall correctly (its been a while)

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

But not your view that it was under Christian watch...also..slavery of the indigenous people of America was abolished by a Christian priest in the 1500's..

Slavery was Abolished by a Christian/Catholic Priest in Europe. The Pope declared that no more slaves shall be shipped to America and the Enslavement of the Native Populace should cease and desist. :D

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] That might actually further support my point, since then I can say that despite religious teachings telling people to treat each other as they would have others treat them, slavery still occurred.unholymight

But not your view that it was under Christian watch...also..slavery of the indigenous people of America was abolished by a Christian priest in the 1500's..

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

hmm, I disagree.. it' combination of many different factors. You can't really say it's this or that.. it's many different things.. and really.. who's to say western culture has been successful.. That remains to be seen.

EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Penguinchow

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

Christianity once said the Earth was flat, and kept anyone from proving this wrong (Galileo). This attitude towards science and observable evidence alone would say something about that.

caseypayne69

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Christianity once said the Earth was flat, and kept anyone from proving this wrong (Galileo). This attitude towards science and observable evidence alone would say something about that.

unholymight

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

[QUOTE="Democratik"] I think the majority of people on this planet would say western civilization is successful.Democratik

In Theory it can be argued that Lincoln was a Christian. Some Believe he was a Deist, or wasn't any specific religion at all. During his Term as President he allegedly converted to Christianity. No One knows for sure because he never spoke of his religious beliefs.

So, Technically if he was Christian, the Emancipation Proclamation was created with Christian Influences.

Columbus was a Christian, he discovered America as well. Christians played a MAjor role in the West as we know it.

Heck, There were even Christians at the Signing of the Declaration of Independence.

[QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Christianity (and Christians) had a huge impact on the abolishment of slavery in the USA. And I'm saying that as an athiest! It's not my opinion, it's fact. Many important figures in the movement (such as Harriet Beecher Stowe and John Brown) were Christians who used their beliefs as a means to influence and oppose slavery. Abraham Lincoln, although religiously ambiguous, was a member of the Republican party which, as I stated above, used religion to progress the anti-slavery movement.

And I have to ask-- What is the extent of your education as far as this subject is concerned?

Posting this again because I'd still like a response.

In Theory it can be argued that Lincoln was a Christian. Some Believe he was a Deist, or wasn't any specific religion at all. During his Term as President he allegedly converted to Christianity. No One knows for sure because he never spoke of his religious beliefs.

So, Technically if he was Christian, the Emancipation Proclamation was created with Christian Influences.

Columbus was a Christian, he discovered America as well. Christians played a MAjor role in the West as we know it.

Heck, There were even Christians at the Signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

VigilanteArtist

Christianity (and Christians) had a huge impact on the abolishment of slavery in the USA. And I'm saying that as an athiest! It's not my opinion, it's fact. Many important figures in the movement (such as Harriet Beecher Stowe and John Brown) were Christians who used their beliefs as a means to influence and oppose slavery. Abraham Lincoln, although religiously ambiguous, was a member of the Republican party which, as I stated above, used religion to progress the anti-slavery movement.

And I have to ask-- What is the extent of your education as far as this subject is concerned?

Posting this again because I'd still like a response.

Let me quote what the original poster said:

"It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery."

He said that Christianity was the only thing that contributed to the abolishment of slavery. I was challenging this view. Although you have named many Christians who opposed slavery, any other factor that is not specifically Christian in origin that contributed to the abolishment of slavery could be something I can use against your argument.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] That might actually further support my point, since then I can say that despite religious teachings telling people to treat each other as they would have others treat them, slavery still occurred.unholymight

But not your view that it was under Christian watch...also..slavery of the indigenous people of America was abolished by a Christian priest in the 1500's..

"New Laws of the Indies in 1542, in which Emperor Charles V declared free allNative American slaves," Wikipedia...

I have no education on this subject. But, I don't see how it would matter as long as my logic is sound. Actually, it wouldn't matter in a debate behind a podium.

unholymight

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And that would be what specifically?LJS9502_basic