Less problems for me to worry about...just remember if you kill yourself your a *****. No reason to kill yourself when this world/life can be so damn good.
I don't understand how people can think it's selfish, period. Not all problems are temporary. What if someone has serious medical issues and is in pain all the time, and the people around them see this every day and are hurting trying to support them financially? Beyond that, I just don't see that anyone has the right to tell someone they shouldn't end their life or judge them for it. No matter what you think, you don't know what they're feeling.
None. If they can't grow some balls and develop the maturity necessary to recognise the fact that they aren't the center of the universe then they can quit wasting my air.
[QUOTE="harashawn"] Aaah!! No!! When someone is suicidal, they usually have the idea engraved in their mind that everyone would be happier/better off without them. It's not selfish. It's stupid; but not selfish. tofu-lion91
No I stick with what I say - it's selfish. I don't care if they think the world would be better off without them. Everyone thinks that at least once in their lives. But they don't give a second thought to their family who has to pick up the pieces and live with the grieve which is extremely selfish. Even people who are suicidal still love their parents - that should be enough for them to live for. How incrediably ignorant, what about people suffering from clincal depression, or bi polar? Its funny the people I see that say stuff like this seem to have no clue what their talking about.
None. If they can't grow some balls and develop the maturity necessary to recognise the fact that they aren't the center of the universe then they can quit wasting my air.
-_Rain_-
Anyone who can believe this statement is the one that needs to do some maturing.
[QUOTE="harashawn"] Aaah!! No!! When someone is suicidal, they usually have the idea engraved in their mind that everyone would be happier/better off without them. It's not selfish. It's stupid; but not selfish. tofu-lion91
No I stick with what I say - it's selfish. I don't care if they think the world would be better off without them. Everyone thinks that at least once in their lives. But they don't give a second thought to their family who has to pick up the pieces and live with the grieve which is extremely selfish. Even people who are suicidal still love their parents - that should be enough for them to live for. Do you realize that 99% of the time, these people aren't thinking clearly at all?
Trust me, I have been here before. I am seeing a shrink and I realize that you may hate your life right now, but you are still here. If you've hit rock bottom, life can only go up. Try and take a long vacation or just avoid stressful situations.
[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Aaah!! No!! When someone is suicidal, they usually have the idea engraved in their mind that everyone would be happier/better off without them. It's not selfish. It's stupid; but not selfish. No I stick with what I say - it's selfish. I don't care if they think the world would be better off without them. Everyone thinks that at least once in their lives. But they don't give a second thought to their family who has to pick up the pieces and live with the grieve which is extremely selfish. Even people who are suicidal still love their parents - that should be enough for them to live for. One of their reasons could be that they love they're parents and think they're a burden to them, in which case suicide would logically remove the burden making their lives better =/
I don't understand how people can think it's selfish, period. Not all problems are temporary. What if someone has serious medical issues and is in pain all the time, and the people around them see this every day and are hurting trying to support them financially? Beyond that, I just don't see that anyone has the right to tell someone they shouldn't end their life or judge them for it. No matter what you think, you don't know what they're feeling.Taylor_B
I think most people would class that as Euthanasia not suicide which is a different matter.
[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]I don't understand how people can think it's selfish, period. Not all problems are temporary. What if someone has serious medical issues and is in pain all the time, and the people around them see this every day and are hurting trying to support them financially? Beyond that, I just don't see that anyone has the right to tell someone they shouldn't end their life or judge them for it. No matter what you think, you don't know what they're feeling.markop2003
I think most people would class that as Euthanasia not suicide which is a different matter. I find them more similar than dissimilar. In cases of physical illness or mental illness, there is still that stimuli that is putting you in a suicidal mindset. Your mind still has to get there, it's in the same place.
How incrediably ignorant, what about people suffering from clincal depression, or bi polar? Its funny the people I see that say stuff like this seem to have no clue what their talking about.sSubZerOo
Doesn't matter, it's still selfish. If people had any love for their families they wouldn't do it. If they've got depression they need to seek support not kill themselves.
[QUOTE="markop2003"] One of their reasons could be that they love they're parents and think they're a burden to them, in which case suicide would logically remove the burden making their lives better =/ But not once do they think what will happen afterwards and the devastation they'll cause :|
[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Taylor_B"]I don't understand how people can think it's selfish, period. Not all problems are temporary. What if someone has serious medical issues and is in pain all the time, and the people around them see this every day and are hurting trying to support them financially? Beyond that, I just don't see that anyone has the right to tell someone they shouldn't end their life or judge them for it. No matter what you think, you don't know what they're feeling.Taylor_B
I think most people would class that as Euthanasia not suicide which is a different matter. I find them more similar than dissimilar. In cases of physical illness or mental illness, there is still that stimuli that is putting you in a suicidal mindset. Your mind still has to get there, it's in the same place. When mental illness gets to the same extent then i'ld call it euthanasia, though i wouldn't say it classes as it until all treatments have been exhausted and your life can still only go down hill.
[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"][QUOTE="markop2003"] One of their reasons could be that they love they're parents and think they're a burden to them, in which case suicide would logically remove the burden making their lives better =/ But not once do they think what will happen afterwards and the devastation they'll cause :| If you look at it from the suicider's perspective there will be no distress or devastation, their loved ones will have a better life without them.
None. If they can't grow some balls and develop the maturity necessary to recognise the fact that they aren't the center of the universe then they can quit wasting my air.
Taylor_B
Anyone who can believe this statement is the one that needs to do some maturing.
As opposed to the people who believe we have some right to kill ourselves.
It doesn't matter if they can't think properly - none of it matters. No circumstances matter. The act itself is a selfish thing to do and no amount of justification can take that away...
It doesn't matter if they can't think properly - none of it matters. No circumstances matter. The act itself is a selfish thing to do and no amount of justification can take that away...tofu-lion91
Read my words carefully. They do not think the way you do. They have themselves convinced it is the best option. It is a mental illness.
Read my words carefully. They do not think the way you do. They have themselves convinced it is the best option. It is a mental illness.harashawn
Read mine carefully then - the act is selfish. It's like that whole "You have to shoot one dude to save the other 19" scenario. Your actions might be justified but it doesn't take away the devastation from that kill, or the fact the act is wrong.
[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"]It doesn't matter if they can't think properly - none of it matters. No circumstances matter. The act itself is a selfish thing to do and no amount of justification can take that away...harashawn
Read my words carefully. They do not think the way you do. They have themselves convinced it is the best option. It is a mental illness. I'm not sure if you've noticed but it seems to me she's talking about it from the view of an outsider such as a family member instead of from the view of the person committing the act like you are. Whilst it may be justified and unselfish in the suicider's mind the act is still selfish (excluding euthanasia and self sacrifice) to those around you.
[QUOTE="harashawn"] Read my words carefully. They do not think the way you do. They have themselves convinced it is the best option. It is a mental illness.tofu-lion91
Read mine carefully then - the act is selfish. It's like that whole "You have to shoot one dude to save the other 19" scenario. Your actions might be justified but it doesn't take away the devastation from that kill, or the fact the act is wrong. What if they don't have any family or friends left?
What if they don't have any family or friends left?astiop
They must have someone they talk to at work or something. If not then I guess I can't really call it selfish.
I'm not sure if you've noticed but it seems to me she's talking about it from the view of an outsider such as a family member instead of from the view of the person committing the act like you are. Whilst it may be justified and unselfish in the suicider's mind the act is still selfish (excluding euthanasia and self sacrifice) to those around you.markop2003
Yep - thanks for explaining it a bit better than I could! :)
[QUOTE="harashawn"] Read my words carefully. They do not think the way you do. They have themselves convinced it is the best option. It is a mental illness.astiop
Read mine carefully then - the act is selfish. It's like that whole "You have to shoot one dude to save the other 19" scenario. Your actions might be justified but it doesn't take away the devastation from that kill, or the fact the act is wrong. What if they don't have any family or friends left? It's a possibility, i think going to a support group would be a great idea in such a situation.
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