What are your thoughts on the rising tide of Islamophobia?

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#1 loquaciousness
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After hearing Islamophobes act as if clever one-liners are a valid substitute for actual thinking, I felt that someone needed to write a dissenting opinion. Islamophobia's argument is invalid. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because statements like, "Another point worth thinking about is that its protests have a crippling effect on multicultural integration" accurately express the feelings of most of us here. I don't have time to go into this in as much detail as I should, but some people I know say that Islamophobia lies routinely. Others argue that it should just exercise some common sense and some common decency. At this point the distinction is largely academic given that Islamophobia has long been denying citizens the ability to draw their own conclusions about the potential for violence that it may be generating. What worries me more than that, however, is that if Islamophobia ever manages to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a superficial coterie of absenteeism, that's when the defecation will really hit the air conditioning. Islamophobia will grasp at straws, trying to find increasingly dissolute ways to heat the cauldron of terror until it boils over into our daily lives because it possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses cheeky brigands with puerile and uncontrollable rage. When one looks at the increasing influence of exclusionism in our culture one sees that Islamophobia's signature is on everything. So how come its fingerprints are nowhere to be found? As you no doubt realize, that's a particularly timely question. In fact, just half an hour ago I heard someone express the opinion that Islamophobia's grand plan is to ruin my entire day. I'm sure Mao Tse Tung would approve. In any case, Islamophobia believes that five-crystal orgone generators can eliminate mind-control energies that are being radiated from secret, underground, government facilities. Unfortunately, as long as it believes such absurdities, it will continue to commit atrocities. I indeed hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before Islamophobia does any real damage. Or is it already too late? If I'm not horribly mistaken, there's a painfully simple answer. It regards the way that Islamophobia's lies come in many forms. Some of its lies are in the form of politics. Others are in the form of actions. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion. Someone needs to provide an atmosphere of mutual respect, free from simplism, nihilism, and all other forms of prejudice and intolerance. Who's going to do it? Islamophobia? I think not. When Islamophobia first announced that it wanted to make a fetish of the virtues of hypersensitive Chekism, I nearly choked on my own stomach bile. It would be charitable of me not to mention that Islamophobia must have known that its perceptions would cause high levels of outrage and would generate many letters in response (like this one). Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that seeing it succeed at placing vile pharisaism enthusiasts at the head of a nationwide kakistocracy has left me with a number of unanswered questions-questions such as "Is it so coprophagous as to think that this can go on forever?" Islamophobia's helpers have tried repeatedly to assure me that Islamophobia will eventually tire of its plan to obliterate our sense of identity and will then step aside and let us argue about its rodomontades. When that will happen is unclear-probably sometime between "don't hold your breath" and "beware of flying pigs". I call upon Islamophobia to stop its oppression, lies, immorality, and debauchery. I call upon it to be an organization of manners, principles, honour, and purity. And finally, I call upon it to forgo its desire to create a mass psychology of fear about an imminent terrorist threat. Islamophobia insists that it has its moral compass in tact. Has anyone, at any time, ever been more wrong? I wish I had a lot more time to answer that question. Unfortunately, the following comment will have to suffice: Islamophobia has tried worsening an already unstable situation. It has also tried deluding and often robbing those rendered vulnerable and susceptible to its snares because of poverty, illness, or ignorance. Why does Islamophobia do such things? After days of agonized pondering and reflection I finally came to the conclusion that Islamophobia accuses me of being narrow-minded. Does it avouch I'm narrow-minded because I refuse to accept its claim that the best way to serve one's country is to reduce human beings to the status of domestic animals? If so, then I guess I'm as narrow-minded as I could possibly be. To provide the worst sorts of conscienceless malingerers there are with a milieu in which they can require schoolchildren to be taught that Islamophobia can scare us by using big words like "parallelogrammatical" is Islamophobia's objective, and cantankerous Fabianism is its method. Islamophobia's profiteering and power mongering will defend Marxism, neopaganism, and notions of racial superiority in the near future. If you don't believe me, see for yourself. Mass anxiety is the equivalent of steroids for Islamophobia. If we feel helpless, Islamophobia is energized and ramps up its efforts to give garrulous muttonheads far more credibility than they deserve. Islamophobia's belief is that it should be free to instill distrust and thereby create a need for its querulous views. Hey, Islamophobia! Satan just called; he wants his worldview back. Think about it. Islamophobia argues that men are spare parts in the social repertoire-mere optional extras. To maintain this thesis, Islamophobia naturally has had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which it does by the desperate expedient of claiming that its mistakes are always someone else's fault. Islamophobia gnaws away at the pillars of our society as if it were a termite chewing on wood. Why do I tell you this? Because these days, no one else has the guts to. Islamophobia presents one face to the public, a face that tells people what they want to hear. Then, in private, it devises new schemes to crush national and spiritual values out of existence and substitute the disingenuous and primitive machinery of communism. What I think-and I'm no specialist-is that someone just showed me a memo supposedly written by Islamophobia. The memo spells out its plans to use paid informants and provocateurs to reduce our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism. If this memo is authentic, it tells us that in public, Islamophobia vehemently inveighs against corruption and sin. But when nobody's looking, Islamophobia never fails to uproot our very heritage and pave the way for its own pretentious value system. Don't get me wrong; you can really assume serious trouble is brewing when the most prudish couch potatoes you'll ever see make the pot of militarism overboil and scald the whole world. But he who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. Of course, people like Islamophobia who do in fact perpetrate evil court a stupid minority of stroppy saboteurs. What do you think of this: It is a grave injustice for Islamophobia to lash out at everyone and everything in sight? Islamophobia claims that interdenominationalism is a noble goal. Well, I beg to differ. Remember, though, that just because I have one view of an issue and Islamophobia has a different view does not in itself mean that Islamophobia is a disloyal vandal and a merciless, libidinous liar. But when Islamophobia says that it has been robbed of all it does not possess, it's simply lying. That's why I suspect that Islamophobia has been offering dotty kooks a lot of money to let rapacious boeotians serve as our overlords. This is blood money, plain and simple. Anyone thinking of accepting it should realize that I once overheard Islamophobia say something quite astonishing. Are you strapped in? Islamophobia said that freedom must be abolished in order for people to be more secure and comfortable. Can you believe that? At least its statement made me realize that its mercenaries insist that the masses are revolting and unfit for citizenship. (The merits of its hariolations won't be discussed here because they lack merit.) That's our situation today, in very rough outline. Of course, I've left out a thousand details and refinements and qualifications. I've not mentioned that a number of vainglorious yutzes have succumbed to excessive drug use, alcoholism, and other addictive behavior indicating maladaptive mechanisms. And I've ignored fetishism altogether. I've simply pointed out one key fact: Besides being utterly offensive and abusive, Islamophobia's practices are seriously defamatory.
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#3 testfactor888
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Holy wall of text Batman Regardless I don't have a single issue with Muslim's. Toward this "Islamophobia" I just don't really pay attention anymore. It's all ridiculous and people just love to find something to hate on
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#4 loquaciousness
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Scary wall of text. :cry:

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I put a lot of effort into this topic. Please actually contribute if you wish to make a comment.
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#5 deactivated-5e7f221e304c9
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I'm fine with hating Islam, but hating Muslims themselves just crosses the line.

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#6 KiIIyou
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You've been fooled, fooled reaaaal good.
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#7 chessmaster1989
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Oh my that wall of text is scary. :( Anyway, I think the rise of Islamophobia largely stems from misinformation...
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

Scary wall of text. :cry:

loquaciousness

I put a lot of effort into this topic. Please actually contribute if you wish to make a comment.

Don't worry, it'll be a little while, then the people who actually read it will respond.

That said, your username is very apt for the OP.

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#9 -Y2J-
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people need a common enemy, whether its blacks, jews, communists or muslims. we'll just ride it out until china is powerful enough that usa feels threatened and turns on them
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#11 thattotally
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Well for one thing Islam does preach against drinking alcohol and abusing drugs... and as many people here state, they feel sorry for "stuck-up" individuals such as ourselves who don't fully get to enjoy life by injecting all these poisons into our system, with wonderful times of irresponsible sex and AIDS/STDs transmission, hang-overs, drunk driving, endangering themselves and others, etc etc.


Oh but right, "in moderation". Because that clearly makes it better, my mistake. Hehe.


So as you can see, 'Islamophobia' and a generalization of everyone in that 'category' is much better than just learning the truth, since how else do TV News stations get their ratings if not fear-mongering? That's Capitalism for you, works A-ok.

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#12 Fightingfan
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People are just stereotyping. Also people forget Muslim is a person who follows the faith of Islam not a race.
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#13 foxhound_fox
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Oh... lol, haha, lol. Thanks, I haven't laughed that hard in quite a while.

I think the "rise" of Islamophobia is quite silly, to be honest. When I see people, in a country built on the idea of "freedom of thought and religion," getting so worked up over something dealing with religion, that isn't technically harming anyone else... it can only make me think of the discrimination of "coloured" people during the early 20th century.

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#14 joesh89
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SideSwipes post just killed me... There is no way in hell I'm reading that.

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#15 coolbeans90
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I agree with most points in the TC's post. Not sure to what degree money is involved, seems unproven. And it seems to address Islamophobia as a cohesive viewpoint. My only two problems with the post that I am aware. Granted, my reading wasn't overly thorough.

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#16 Gallion-Beast
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Only read the first paragraph which was nothing but juvenile name calling. Normally in a piece so long I'd assume you were going to get to an actual point eventually, but if that was the case you would have used your genuine account, instead of creating an alt.
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#17 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..

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#18 medic36
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Well I have given alot of thought to your post. Let me share a fact with you though, from my experience. Sarfraz Sarwar is a pillar of the Muslim community in Basildon, Essex. He is constantly abused and attacked, and the prayer centre he used has been burnt to the ground. Mr Sarwar, who has six children and whose wife is matron of an old people's home, is a patently decent man. His only crime is his religious faith. He and his fellow worshippers now meet in secret to evade detection, and the attacks that would follow. The first abuse that Mr Sarwar's family suffered was in October 2001 – just after the 9/11 attacks – when pigs' trotters were left outside their door, the walls of their house were covered with graffiti and two front windows were broken. Since then, the family has suffered many attacks, including a failed fire-bombing. In February, the tyres of Mr Sarwar's new car were slashed; in March his windows were broken again. He has now installed CCTV cameras, replaced his wooden back door with one made of steel and erected higher fences. An investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme discovered many violent episodes and attacks on Muslims, with very few reported; those that do get almost no publicity. Last week, Martyn Gilleard, a Nazi sympathiser in East Yorkshire, was jailed for 16 years. Police found four nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat. Gilleard had been preparing for a war against Muslims. In a note at his flat he had written, "I am sick and tired of hearing nationalists talking of killing Muslims, blowing up mosques and fighting back only to see these acts of resistance fail. The time has come to stop the talking and start to act." The Gilleard case went all but unreported. Had a Muslim been found with an arsenal of weapons and planning violent assaults, it would have been a far bigger story. There is a reason for this blindness in the media. The systematic demonisation of Muslims has become an important part of the central narrative of the British political and media class; it is so entrenched, so much part of normal discussion, that almost nobody notices. Protests go unheard and unnoticed. Why? Britain's Muslim immigrants are mainly poor, isolated and alienated from mainstream society. Many are a different colour. As a community, British Muslims are relatively powerless. There are few Muslim MPs, there has never been a Muslim cabinet minister, no mainstream newspaper is owned by a Muslim and, as far as we are aware, only one national newspaper has a regular Muslim columnist on its comment pages, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of The Independent. Surveys show Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment, the poorest health, the most disability and fewest educational qualifications of any faith group in the country. This means they are vulnerable, rendering them open to ignorant and hostile commentary from mainstream figures. Islamophobia – defined in 1997 by the landmark report from the Runnymede Trust as "an outlook or world-view involving an unfounded dread and dislike of Muslims, which results in practices of exclusion and discrimination" – can be encountered in the best circles: among our most famous novelists, among newspaper columnists, and in the Church of England. Its appeal is wide-ranging. "I am an Islamophobe," the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee wrote in The Independent nearly 10 years ago. "Islamophobia?" the Sunday Times columnist Rod Liddle asks rhetorically in the title of a recent speech, "Count me in". Imagine Liddle declaring: "Anti-Semitism? Count me in", or Toynbee claiming she was "an anti-Semite and proud of it". Anti-Semitism is recognised as an evil, noxious creed, and its adherents are barred from mainstream society and respectable organs of opinion. Not so Islamophobia. Its practitioners say Islamophobia cannot be regarded as the same as anti-Semitism because the former is hatred of an ideology or a religion, not Muslims themselves. This means there is no social, political or cultural protection for Muslims: as far as the British political, media and literary establishment is concerned the normal rules of engagement are suspended. "There is a definite urge; don't you have it?", the author Martin Amis told Ginny Dougary of The Times: "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. Not letting them travel. Deportation; further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or Pakistan. Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children." Here, Amis is doing much more than insulting Muslims. He is using the foul and barbarous language of fascism. Yet his books continue to sell, and his work continues to be celebrated. And we found the language of Islamophobic columnists such as Toynbee, Liddle, or novelists such as Amis, duplicated by the British National Party and its growing band of supporters. All over Europe, parties of the far right have been dropping their traditional hostility to minorities such as Jews and homosexuals; in Britain, the BNP has come to realise that anti-Semitism and anti-black campaigning won't work if they are serious about electoral success. To move to mainstream respectability, they need an issue that allows them to exploit people's fears about immigrants and Britain's ethnic minority communities without being branded racist extremists. They have found it. Since 9/11, and particularly 7/7, the BNP has gone all out to tap a rich vein of anti-Muslim sentiment. The party's leader, Nick Griffin, has described Islam as a "wicked, vicious faith" and has tried to distance himself and the party from its anti-Semitic past. Party members are now rebuked for discussing the Holocaust and told to focus on terrorism, the evils of Islam, and scare stories of Britain becoming an Islamic state. Griffin's strategy has been inspired by the press. He said: "We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with." Last month, we visited Stoke-on-Trent, a BNP heartland with nine BNP councillors, a council second only to Barking and Dagenham in far-right representation. The party has made this progress in large part by mounting a vicious anti-Muslim campaign. Stoke has one of the lowest employment rates in the country since the pottery industry collapsed. The BNP has tried to link this decline to Muslim immigration. Other campaigns have focused on planning issues over mosques, a flashpoint elsewhere too. The BNP accuses the Labour council of cutting special deals with Muslim groups in exchange for support. Wherever we explored tension between Muslims and the local community we tended to discover the BNP was present, fanning discontent. Many categories of immigrants and foreigners have been singled out for hatred and opprobrium by mainstream society because they were felt to be threats to British identity. At times, these despised categories have included Catholics, Jews, French and Germans; gays were held to subvert decency and normality until the 1980s, blacks until the 1970s, and Jews for centuries. Now this outcast role has fallen to Muslims. And it is the perception that Muslims receive special treatment that fuels the most resentment. When we investigated clashes at a Muslim dairy in Windsor, we found the perception that police had failed to investigate what seemed to be a racist attack by Asian youths on a local woman played a powerful role in fanning resentments. But by the same token we believe that Muslims should be given the same protection as other minority groups from insults or ignorant abuse. This protection is not available. Ordinary Muslim families are virtually a silenced minority. We should all feel ashamed about the way we treat Muslims, in the media, in our politics, and on our streets. We do not treat Muslims with the tolerance, decency and fairness that we often like to boast is the British way. We urgently need to change our public culture.

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#19 loquaciousness
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Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..

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Is there an issue Loquaciousness is a lovely word :(
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#20 optiow
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I don't have a problem with Islam, unless extremists get involved. That is my rule for all religion.
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#21 TroubleMaker411
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I think the problem stems from a few different things.

The media glamorises absolutely everything. because we all live infront of our tv and reading facebook and twitter feeds from many and varied news sources, we are all bombarded with what can only really be described as anti-islam propoganda.

Add to this that the average person nowadays doesn't know how to, or want to think for themselves. they let the media do all the thinking for them. meaning whatever is said on tv, is believed by the masses.

Then you have simple ignorance. i do not mean this in a bad way, but in general, people do not want to learn anything about a culture or lifestyle that is not related to them.

then, and this is probably the most controversial thing i am going to say, and again, i don't mean offence when i say it, but other religions tend to have followers that much like the media will believe anything that is told to them. so when a religious leader says something anti-islam, or anti-nasal hair, or anti-anything, these followers tend to believe that that is gospel and won't allow another opinion to be said or listened to.

When you add all these things together with society's need to blame everything that goes wrong on something as far away from them as possible, you tend to end up with blind hate towards a certain group whether it be gays, abortion doctors or muslims.

Disgusting and narrow minded as it may be, muslims just seem to be the in thing to hate. and with Events such as 9/11, and it's anniversary coming up, i think it'll be around for a while.

Lets all hope that people learn to stop blaming an entire group for the actions of the few. and if we are going to pray, let's pray for a little peace, equality and tolerance.

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#22 Gallion-Beast
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*Wall of text*medic36
Haha seriously dude? Holding a conversation with yourself?
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#23 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..

loquaciousness
Is there an issue Loquaciousness is a lovely word :(

Just wondering what's wrong with posting on a main account...
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#24 ghoklebutter
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All I know is that it has caused a flood of Muslim/Islam related topics on OT...
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#25 loquaciousness
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medic36
woah man tl;dr
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#26 Snipes_2
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Could have something to do with the Extremists killing people?

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[QUOTE="medic36"]loquaciousness
woah man tl;dr

Look who's talking... :?
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Paragraphs, dude. Paragraphs.