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I put a lot of effort into this topic. Please actually contribute if you wish to make a comment.Scary wall of text. :cry:
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]I put a lot of effort into this topic. Please actually contribute if you wish to make a comment. Don't worry, it'll be a little while, then the people who actually read it will respond.Scary wall of text. :cry:
loquaciousness
That said, your username is very apt for the OP.
Well for one thing Islam does preach against drinking alcohol and abusing drugs... and as many people here state, they feel sorry for "stuck-up" individuals such as ourselves who don't fully get to enjoy life by injecting all these poisons into our system, with wonderful times of irresponsible sex and AIDS/STDs transmission, hang-overs, drunk driving, endangering themselves and others, etc etc.
Oh but right, "in moderation". Because that clearly makes it better, my mistake. Hehe.
So as you can see, 'Islamophobia' and a generalization of everyone in that 'category' is much better than just learning the truth, since how else do TV News stations get their ratings if not fear-mongering? That's Capitalism for you, works A-ok.
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I agree with most points in the TC's post. Not sure to what degree money is involved, seems unproven. And it seems to address Islamophobia as a cohesive viewpoint. My only two problems with the post that I am aware. Granted, my reading wasn't overly thorough.
Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..
Well I have given alot of thought to your post. Let me share a fact with you though, from my experience. Sarfraz Sarwar is a pillar of the Muslim community in Basildon, Essex. He is constantly abused and attacked, and the prayer centre he used has been burnt to the ground. Mr Sarwar, who has six children and whose wife is matron of an old people's home, is a patently decent man. His only crime is his religious faith. He and his fellow worshippers now meet in secret to evade detection, and the attacks that would follow. The first abuse that Mr Sarwar's family suffered was in October 2001 – just after the 9/11 attacks – when pigs' trotters were left outside their door, the walls of their house were covered with graffiti and two front windows were broken. Since then, the family has suffered many attacks, including a failed fire-bombing. In February, the tyres of Mr Sarwar's new car were slashed; in March his windows were broken again. He has now installed CCTV cameras, replaced his wooden back door with one made of steel and erected higher fences. An investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme discovered many violent episodes and attacks on Muslims, with very few reported; those that do get almost no publicity. Last week, Martyn Gilleard, a Nazi sympathiser in East Yorkshire, was jailed for 16 years. Police found four nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat. Gilleard had been preparing for a war against Muslims. In a note at his flat he had written, "I am sick and tired of hearing nationalists talking of killing Muslims, blowing up mosques and fighting back only to see these acts of resistance fail. The time has come to stop the talking and start to act." The Gilleard case went all but unreported. Had a Muslim been found with an arsenal of weapons and planning violent assaults, it would have been a far bigger story. There is a reason for this blindness in the media. The systematic demonisation of Muslims has become an important part of the central narrative of the British political and media class; it is so entrenched, so much part of normal discussion, that almost nobody notices. Protests go unheard and unnoticed. Why? Britain's Muslim immigrants are mainly poor, isolated and alienated from mainstream society. Many are a different colour. As a community, British Muslims are relatively powerless. There are few Muslim MPs, there has never been a Muslim cabinet minister, no mainstream newspaper is owned by a Muslim and, as far as we are aware, only one national newspaper has a regular Muslim columnist on its comment pages, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of The Independent. Surveys show Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment, the poorest health, the most disability and fewest educational qualifications of any faith group in the country. This means they are vulnerable, rendering them open to ignorant and hostile commentary from mainstream figures. Islamophobia – defined in 1997 by the landmark report from the Runnymede Trust as "an outlook or world-view involving an unfounded dread and dislike of Muslims, which results in practices of exclusion and discrimination" – can be encountered in the best circles: among our most famous novelists, among newspaper columnists, and in the Church of England. Its appeal is wide-ranging. "I am an Islamophobe," the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee wrote in The Independent nearly 10 years ago. "Islamophobia?" the Sunday Times columnist Rod Liddle asks rhetorically in the title of a recent speech, "Count me in". Imagine Liddle declaring: "Anti-Semitism? Count me in", or Toynbee claiming she was "an anti-Semite and proud of it". Anti-Semitism is recognised as an evil, noxious creed, and its adherents are barred from mainstream society and respectable organs of opinion. Not so Islamophobia. Its practitioners say Islamophobia cannot be regarded as the same as anti-Semitism because the former is hatred of an ideology or a religion, not Muslims themselves. This means there is no social, political or cultural protection for Muslims: as far as the British political, media and literary establishment is concerned the normal rules of engagement are suspended. "There is a definite urge; don't you have it?", the author Martin Amis told Ginny Dougary of The Times: "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. Not letting them travel. Deportation; further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or Pakistan. Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children." Here, Amis is doing much more than insulting Muslims. He is using the foul and barbarous language of fascism. Yet his books continue to sell, and his work continues to be celebrated. And we found the language of Islamophobic columnists such as Toynbee, Liddle, or novelists such as Amis, duplicated by the British National Party and its growing band of supporters. All over Europe, parties of the far right have been dropping their traditional hostility to minorities such as Jews and homosexuals; in Britain, the BNP has come to realise that anti-Semitism and anti-black campaigning won't work if they are serious about electoral success. To move to mainstream respectability, they need an issue that allows them to exploit people's fears about immigrants and Britain's ethnic minority communities without being branded racist extremists. They have found it. Since 9/11, and particularly 7/7, the BNP has gone all out to tap a rich vein of anti-Muslim sentiment. The party's leader, Nick Griffin, has described Islam as a "wicked, vicious faith" and has tried to distance himself and the party from its anti-Semitic past. Party members are now rebuked for discussing the Holocaust and told to focus on terrorism, the evils of Islam, and scare stories of Britain becoming an Islamic state. Griffin's strategy has been inspired by the press. He said: "We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with." Last month, we visited Stoke-on-Trent, a BNP heartland with nine BNP councillors, a council second only to Barking and Dagenham in far-right representation. The party has made this progress in large part by mounting a vicious anti-Muslim campaign. Stoke has one of the lowest employment rates in the country since the pottery industry collapsed. The BNP has tried to link this decline to Muslim immigration. Other campaigns have focused on planning issues over mosques, a flashpoint elsewhere too. The BNP accuses the Labour council of cutting special deals with Muslim groups in exchange for support. Wherever we explored tension between Muslims and the local community we tended to discover the BNP was present, fanning discontent. Many categories of immigrants and foreigners have been singled out for hatred and opprobrium by mainstream society because they were felt to be threats to British identity. At times, these despised categories have included Catholics, Jews, French and Germans; gays were held to subvert decency and normality until the 1980s, blacks until the 1970s, and Jews for centuries. Now this outcast role has fallen to Muslims. And it is the perception that Muslims receive special treatment that fuels the most resentment. When we investigated clashes at a Muslim dairy in Windsor, we found the perception that police had failed to investigate what seemed to be a racist attack by Asian youths on a local woman played a powerful role in fanning resentments. But by the same token we believe that Muslims should be given the same protection as other minority groups from insults or ignorant abuse. This protection is not available. Ordinary Muslim families are virtually a silenced minority. We should all feel ashamed about the way we treat Muslims, in the media, in our politics, and on our streets. We do not treat Muslims with the tolerance, decency and fairness that we often like to boast is the British way. We urgently need to change our public culture.
Is there an issue Loquaciousness is a lovely word :(Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
I think the problem stems from a few different things.
The media glamorises absolutely everything. because we all live infront of our tv and reading facebook and twitter feeds from many and varied news sources, we are all bombarded with what can only really be described as anti-islam propoganda.
Add to this that the average person nowadays doesn't know how to, or want to think for themselves. they let the media do all the thinking for them. meaning whatever is said on tv, is believed by the masses.
Then you have simple ignorance. i do not mean this in a bad way, but in general, people do not want to learn anything about a culture or lifestyle that is not related to them.
then, and this is probably the most controversial thing i am going to say, and again, i don't mean offence when i say it, but other religions tend to have followers that much like the media will believe anything that is told to them. so when a religious leader says something anti-islam, or anti-nasal hair, or anti-anything, these followers tend to believe that that is gospel and won't allow another opinion to be said or listened to.
When you add all these things together with society's need to blame everything that goes wrong on something as far away from them as possible, you tend to end up with blind hate towards a certain group whether it be gays, abortion doctors or muslims.
Disgusting and narrow minded as it may be, muslims just seem to be the in thing to hate. and with Events such as 9/11, and it's anniversary coming up, i think it'll be around for a while.
Lets all hope that people learn to stop blaming an entire group for the actions of the few. and if we are going to pray, let's pray for a little peace, equality and tolerance.
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Is there an issue Loquaciousness is a lovely word :( Just wondering what's wrong with posting on a main account...Why is it so hard to post on your main account..what's with these random level one posters rising out of nowhere with names like "Loquaciousness" and so on..
loquaciousness
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