What do you guys think about Rand Paul?

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#101 SgtKevali
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He's a bad politician and will lose. He's said some stuff that are way too out of line. Oh, and I don't like some of his views either.

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#102 dercoo
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He's a bad politician and will lose. He's said some stuff that are way too out of line. Oh, and I don't like some of his views either.

SgtKevali

as I said eairlier he is way ahead in polls (25% ahead, 59% to 34%)

I live in Kentucky

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#103 wstfld
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If he's for legalizing drugs and gay marriage to go along with his free enterprise, I'd vote for him. I've been looking for a true libertarian.
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#104 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

He's a bad politician and will lose. He's said some stuff that are way too out of line. Oh, and I don't like some of his views either.

dercoo

as I said eairlier he is way ahead in polls (25% ahead, 59% to 34%)

I live in Kentucky

Way ahead in a poll, that being Rasmussen, which is a ridiculous outlier.

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#105 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

He's a bad politician and will lose. He's said some stuff that are way too out of line. Oh, and I don't like some of his views either.

GabuEx

as I said eairlier he is way ahead in polls (25% ahead, 59% to 34%)

I live in Kentucky

Way ahead in a poll, that being Rasmussen, which is a ridiculous outlier.

Either way, he's still leading, so I was wrong. However, I wonder how those numbers will change as we near the election.

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#106 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

He's a bad politician and will lose. He's said some stuff that are way too out of line. Oh, and I don't like some of his views either.

GabuEx

as I said eairlier he is way ahead in polls (25% ahead, 59% to 34%)

I live in Kentucky

Way ahead in a poll, that being Rasmussen, which is a ridiculous outlier.

I'm not saying I support him and gave largest poll in his favor. I just got the most recent (near comments).

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#107 bogaty
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[QUOTE="fatamericandude"] agreeing to work for7 years in exchange for something is volutnary. but you're talking about a private institution behaving like a state, er I mean a mafia, in forcing people to work for them beyond teh 7 years

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Which is exactly the end result of a libertarian system of limited government and lassez faire capitalism. Private enterprise becomes the state, but the rule of law never applies to them. It's a fatally flawed system of governance.

If the Rule of Law no longer applies to them then it's not longer capitalism...

You're thinking of Socialism or Crony Capitalism, in which there's a strong collaboration between the State and Business.

No, I'm not. Crony capitalism or fascism are the inevitable result of the adoption of Libertarian policies. A system with a hollow or severely limited government, as espoused by Libertarians, leads to corruption by the most ruthless because there's no monitoring or enforcement. This leads to monopolies in which the private sector either becomes the de jure governmentor gains so much power that they're able to subvert justice and have laws rewritten that favour them or make them exempt from oversight or prosecution and they become the de facto government. One in which the people have no say.

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#108 MetroidPrimePwn
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Freakin' lunatic, that's what I think of him.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Well, I can definitely see why he's named after a psychopath. Godwilling, he won't get the seat.fidosim
He's not named after her. I think he just shortened it from "Randall". :P

Oh, so he's named after the guy from Clerks? :P

Never mind, I think he should be President.

Of the world.

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#109 DMAngara90
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If he's for legalizing drugs and gay marriage to go along with his free enterprise, I'd vote for him. I've been looking for a true libertarian. wstfld
He's not. He's against gays rights, is pro-life, and thinks the states should regulate the drugs.
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#110 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="wstfld"]If he's for legalizing drugs and gay marriage to go along with his free enterprise, I'd vote for him. I've been looking for a true libertarian. DMAngara90
He's not. He's against gays rights, is pro-life, and thinks the states should regulate the drugs.

Then how is he a "libertarian"? Aren't they meant to be socially liberal?

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#111 DMAngara90
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[QUOTE="DMAngara90"][QUOTE="wstfld"]If he's for legalizing drugs and gay marriage to go along with his free enterprise, I'd vote for him. I've been looking for a true libertarian. SgtKevali

He's not. He's against gays rights, is pro-life, and thinks the states should regulate the drugs.

Then how is he a "libertarian"? Aren't they meant to be socially liberal?

Libertarianism in the United States is known colloquially as "Social Liberal, Economic Conservative", however, the actuality of the self-professed libertarians in politics (not non-political libertarians) is really just radical economic conservatism, with a standard social conservative that toes the party line with the Republicans. The only real difference between them and the Republican party is with foreign policy, in which the libertarians are dovish.
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#112 jubino
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I think his parents forgot to add the Y to his first name :P

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#113 X360PS3AMD05
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They named him Rand? :lol:
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#114 Guybrush_3
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He takes the name Rand in homage to Ayn Rand, one of the worst political minds of the 20th century. Yeah he's a douche and if he gets a seat I will literally bang my head against a desk repeatedly at the sheer... erm.... ridiculousness of it happening.

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#115 PannicAtack
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There certainly is some concern about what the government should be allowed to enforce upon the people and what they shouldn't be able to do. In the end, the government should serve the people, not dictate their way of life. I don't like the direction that some liberals want to take the government - as a nanny-state. Individuals are powerless and have to follow government rules - of course, for the best of everyone. Dems have good intentions, but giving too much power to any government is never a good idea. What some people think is a good thing, may not jibe with others and so forth. The best person to determine my future course is me, not some bureacrat. Call that selfish, but how is that any more selfish than trying to impose your views of "what is right" on others. To me, that is selfish.

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You know, I really don't get this "liberals want to tell you how to live" shtick. Which side is the one that wants to teach abstinence-only sex ed? Wants to keep gay marriage and drugs criminalized?
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#116 PannicAtack
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He takes the name Rand in homage to Ayn Rand, one of the worst political minds of the 20th century. Yeah he's a douche and if he gets a seat I will literally bang my head against a desk repeatedly at the sheer... erm.... ridiculousness of it happening.

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Well, given that Ayn Rand was a seething homophobe, that might explain his stance on that matter. >_>
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#117 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Most major news corps seem to be trying awfully hard to crucify him. I agree with that one point mentioned in the OP though.
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#118 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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While I don't agree with his stances on abortion and some other issues I think I can trust him to help keep my civil liberties in tact.

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#119 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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[QUOTE="wstfld"]If he's for legalizing drugs and gay marriage to go along with his free enterprise, I'd vote for him. I've been looking for a true libertarian. DMAngara90
He's not. He's against gays rights, is pro-life, and thinks the states should regulate the drugs.

States regulating drugs, and really pretty much everything, is Constitutional.