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Pretty much. I've always said anyone who thinks only smart people go to Uni and get degrees have never been to Uni.I couldn't care less. Why would I care about their level of education? Common sense smarts are what I look at.
Pirate700
-.- HAM is these high doses is unhealthyAs long as they use some other deoderant that's fine.
I have Old Spice instead of degree.
despa1r_fact0r
I respect them than someone who gets a degree but can't get a job due to reasons they can control. They're in a lot more of a financial mess than the guy without the degree.
It doesn't matter to me, having a degree does not say anything about the tyoe of person you really are, it just means you spent four years of your life or more doing extra learning.
Don't look down on those without degrees; however I do have a fair amount of respect for people with degrees or multiple degrees from prestigious institutions.
It is not really a metric I use to judge people by, barring something like a Ph.D.
This is why I couldn't care less if someone has a degree or not. I know people who are sharp as a tack in their career field, but in terms of basic life common sense, they're seemingly dumb as a tree stump. Someone's book smarts don't matter to me.[QUOTE="Pirate700"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Because getting a degree is an accomplishment that requires hard work and intelligence, at least in your field of study. That being said, I know plenty of people who are getting a degree who are dumb as bricks in everything else, or at least act like it. I also recognize that our pre-college educational system is frelled and that college costs are out of control and not everyone can pay them. I have more respect for people with degrees than otherwise, slightly less respect for people who have aspirations for higher education but are victims of circumstance, and very little respect for people who just don't care about continuing education.
theone86
Common sense is more or less an ad populum appeal, which is why I generally dislike it as a measure of someone's intelligence. Aside from that, it is very subjective. What you might think is common sense may not be common sense for someone else. That's not always because they lack common sense, it's because common sense is a vague term.
Besides, what I'm talking about isn't so much what you would (probably) call common sense, it's more just people acting in an unconcerned and apathetic manner. They're in college, they're being educated about all these large issues, and yet in their free time all they do is get stupid drunk and talk about how stupid drunk they got. Okay, so you're getting an advanced biochem degree, your conversations are still about as edifying as those of a grade-schooler.
You must be a fvcking blast at parties.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
Why would anybody look down upon somebody for not having a degree?
Wasdie
Because getting a degree is an accomplishment that requires hard work and intelligence, at least in your field of study. That being said, I know plenty of people who are getting a degree who are dumb as bricks in everything else, or at least act like it. I also recognize that our pre-college educational system is frelled and that college costs are out of control and not everyone can pay them. I have more respect for people with degrees than otherwise, slightly less respect for people who have aspirations for higher education but are victims of circumstance, and very little respect for people who just don't care about continuing education.
Getting a degree is an accomplishment that does take hard work, but after getting one myself and going through the process, it's less about hard work and more about if you're willing to put in the time.
The only people I look down upon in society are those who squander opportunity while feeding off of others. I'm not talking about people who come from underprivileged families or people who get laid off and face hardships. I'm talking about the people who are given everything they need to succeed but choose to fail and then become a leech off of somebody or society in general. I saw it happen in school a few times. I also have seen what has become of a handful of my high school graduating class who had opportunity but squandered it.
Some people are simply too entitled to actually use what they have to make something of themselves. They feel they are above putting effort into something and just whine and complain while others provide for them.
I've seen people squander college degrees in the same way. Kids who's parents pay their way through school only for them to party constantly and then move back in with their parents once they graduate with a barely passing GPA.
Generally speaking, people who do not get a degree or some sort of education past high school do have more challenges in life. While they didn't go on to work hard for 4-5 years to get a degree, they face many more years of hardships. While they may have it easier for the first few years out of highschool and on their own, they end up stuck in a rut and unable to get out. I don't look down on these people because it's their choice. School isn't for everybody. Some people just don't care to learn and would rather work. I respect that.
Oh man, you speak the truth dude. I've noticed so many of my peers from high school completely botch opportunities or completely give up at the collegiate level. One of my roommates last year was going to school to be a doctor. He dropped last semester and was talking about attending a community college. Now he's working full time in an ice cream plant making $11/hour and probably working 12 hour shifts. I feel like that will be a dead end job for him. He probably won't even realize it until four or five years pass by, and by then any motivation still lingering to go back to school will be completely gone.There are people without degree's who make well over $100,000 a year, it's not that difficult. My father who is 45 and never graduated school grossed $200,000 last year. I wasn't even graduated from highschool last year and I was raking in 30,000 gross pay every 3 months working in Oil and Gas industry (keep in mind it's only really like that from November-Spring, and I was doing the same thing my father was, and the job was insanely difficult/mentally draining and required sometimes up to 200 hours every 2 weeks. My health went down the sh!tter though, my blood pressure was bad and I lost like 30lbs doing it (bye bye muscle gains)
It is one hell of a way to make good money though, also there are trades which some are arguably superior then going to university, they actually pay you to train and you can make up to 100,000k a year. It just tends to be more hands on which a lot of people refuse to do because they want something easier. Myself I'll probably enroll in a University. I'm content with making less money as long as I enjoy my job. Life isn't all about $$$ in my opinion, if you're going to spend the rest of your life doing something you might as well be doing something that you enjoy, even if you are making less money doing it.
So really why not respect somebody who doesn't go to university? Chances are a lot of them are working twice as hard as you are.
I'm indifferent, especially with the way higher education in the US has been turned into yet another predatory lending scam in recent years.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
Why would anybody look down upon somebody for not having a degree?
theone86
Because getting a degree is an accomplishment that requires hard work and intelligence, at least in your field of study. That being said, I know plenty of people who are getting a degree who are dumb as bricks in everything else, or at least act like it. I also recognize that our pre-college educational system is frelled and that college costs are out of control and not everyone can pay them. I have more respect for people with degrees than otherwise, slightly less respect for people who have aspirations for higher education but are victims of circumstance, and very little respect for people who just don't care about continuing education.
So is a formal education, a slip of paper, a requirement for your respect? Many continue their education throughout their life, albeit not in a classroom. There's nothing wrong with that. I have far more respect for someone who genuinely wishes to learn, has a real desire and for knowledge, and puts in that effort of their own volition instead of one who's simply doing it because they feel obligated and grind it out with no other interest or incentive other than to hold a piece of paper in their hand for bragging rights and a career. The only people I respect with degrees are the ones that have passion for learning. To get an education for education's sake does not impress me. Gates, Jobs forsake degrees and we all know how respected they are.I'm sure having a degree isn't a bad thing, but speaking as someone who doesn't have one.
I left school and went straight into work, I didn't go into college until I was was 26, having been employed on and off since then. When I returned to college I found I could not get into the student life, I felt like my savings were wasting away on crap. I knew I didn't have the drive to commit to a full on career, at the end of the day I was just wasting time. I left and got another job.
Most of my family are qualified in one skill or another, one works for BMW in th e team for CGI for their car adverts and web pages, ones a car mechanic and the other a computer technician with degree in electronics. Me on the other hand, I got nothing, I've done all sorts but without going into my life history too much I tend to do a job which I can detach myself from, I like to find time for my gaming and my surfing (live near the coast).
The thing I find most young students seem to think about none degree jobs is they are mundane and have no future. Well yeah, that can be the case but I've had some mundane jobs which are made enjoyable by the company of my colleagues and the lack of stress which can be associated with such a job. As for no future, I guess I focus more of living in the moment then forever trying to climb that ladder.
University or high school? I assume you mean university, but some people use diploma and degree interchangeably. High school.. Just get it. It opens a lot of doors. People should just get it one way or another to have it, or a GED. Some places McDonalds won't even take you if you're an adult without a diploma.
University, only go if you want to, and if you do go, don't waste your time taking crap that has no use in the real world, like obscure arts degrees. Not having one is better than having one, in the sense that you didn't waste money on something that is entirely useless. Everyone has their own path in life and if they want a degree, they should get one. I personally don't know if I want to do post-secondary or not, I'm deciding what to do with my life.
^^ Btw there is more to a degree than making money, such as acquiring certain knowledge. That is something that can't be put a price on.dramaybazIf you just want to learn something then why would you spend thousands of dollars on it? just read some books
[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]^^ Btw there is more to a degree than making money, such as acquiring certain knowledge. That is something that can't be put a price on.mingmao3046If you just want to learn something then why would you spend thousands of dollars on it? just read some books Um no, it isn't that simple. You need facilities and other forms of help.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"]^^ Btw there is more to a degree than making money, such as acquiring certain knowledge. That is something that can't be put a price on.dramaybazIf you just want to learn something then why would you spend thousands of dollars on it? just read some books Um no, it isn't that simple. You need facilities and other forms of help. If all you want to do is learn more about a certain subject then books are all you need. why spend tens of thousands of dollars on it?
You're being Obtuse OP.
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