What do you think about vegetarians?

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="Packt"]

Meat isn't the only thing that contains protein. The difference is that when you're not eating meat (high in all types of protein) you need to mix and match your various proteins to have a healthy diet. Peanuts for example are high in fat and protein, soy is also high in protein (pretty much the staple of any vegan or vegetarian diet).

My sister is a vegan, which means she doesn't eat anything that is a bi-product of an animal, not even honey! She, however is able to maintain a fairly healthy diet, by doing the above mentioned things.

_BlueDuck_

That's really hardcore, honey seems like it should be exempt because they make it whether we eat it or not lol. But I see, I'd rather take a supplement if I was a vegan or something sounds much easier than eating a bunch of soy and peanuts (like you said high in fat).

Most protein supplements are made from animal products (whey protein is derived from milk for example), with the exception of soy.. but who likes soy anyhow. Fact is most plant based proteins are pretty bottom barrel. Not saying they are bad, but you're just stuck eating a hell of a lot of beans and lentils, enough nuts to sky rocket your calorie intake, or a bunch of soy that stimulate estrogen production. Woohoo!

That's why many of us eat eggs and cheese and such. I also eat fish sometimes. By the way, I actually do like soy.

Most protein supplements are made from animal products (whey protein is derived from milk for example), with the exception of soy.. but who likes soy anyhow. Fact is most plant based proteins are pretty bottom barrel. Not saying they are bad, but you're just stuck eating a hell of a lot of beans and lentils, enough nuts to sky rocket your calorie intake, or a bunch of soy that stimulate estrogen production. Woohoo!

_BlueDuck_

This is where I have a problem, what it sounds like you're saying is that being a vegan is detrimental to overall health due to mediocre protein levels. Do they really value animals more than themselves? That would be a good question.

I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.UssjTrunks

All studies have shown that vegetarians live a few years longer than others. So, what are you talking about?

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.Engrish_Major

All studies have shown that vegetarians live a few years longer than others. So, what are you talking about?

I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.UssjTrunks

I take that offensively. :|

I'm talking about human kind being an omnivorous species.UssjTrunks

What does that have to do with "what's right for their body"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tfuBIutLI

Nah, not really. I think it's cool you're doing somethin you believe is right, I respect that even though I am not one.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="Packt"]

Meat isn't the only thing that contains protein. The difference is that when you're not eating meat (high in all types of protein) you need to mix and match your various proteins to have a healthy diet. Peanuts for example are high in fat and protein, soy is also high in protein (pretty much the staple of any vegan or vegetarian diet).

My sister is a vegan, which means she doesn't eat anything that is a bi-product of an animal, not even honey! She, however is able to maintain a fairly healthy diet, by doing the above mentioned things.

_BlueDuck_

That's really hardcore, honey seems like it should be exempt because they make it whether we eat it or not lol. But I see, I'd rather take a supplement if I was a vegan or something sounds much easier than eating a bunch of soy and peanuts (like you said high in fat).

Most protein supplements are made from animal products (whey protein is derived from milk for example), with the exception of soy.. but who likes soy anyhow. Fact is most plant based proteins are pretty bottom barrel. Not saying they are bad, but you're just stuck eating a hell of a lot of beans and lentils, enough nuts to sky rocket your calorie intake, or a bunch of soy that stimulate estrogen production. Woohoo!

A lot of vegans/vegetarians don't seem to realise that humans have evolved to eat meat (specifically cooked meat). As such, it has completely changed our physical composition, and what type of nutrients we need to intake (and balance). The problem in modern society is that we don't treat meat as a luxury anymore. You can get meat anywhere, at any time. Where it was most likely an event in the past it is now a customary ritual. Many people ingest far more meat than they need, to the point where it becomes unhealthy. Our servings for meals should mostly be made up of fruits and vegetables with a small portion of meat, instead it becomes the reverse.

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.Masinai

I take that offensively. :|

[QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.UssjTrunks

I take that offensively. :|

Vegetarians are fine, it's vegans (from what I've just read in the thread) that might be less healthy than their meat eating & vegetarian counterparts.

Sorry, that's just how I view it. I don't have a problem with vegetarians as people, I simply thinkthat they're not doing what's right for their bodies.UssjTrunks

Can you explain that at all?

its cool with them....the 2 vegas that i know are very very attractiveSerial-No_3404

the one vegan I know of (or at least that's what she said she was) twas the one I adore...

...but she could've changed, that information isn't exactly up to date.

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.SimpJee

I take that offensively. :|

Vegetarians are fine, it's vegans (from what I've just read in the thread) that might be less healthy than their meat eating counterparts.

It all comes down to planing. If you're well informed and plan your diet well you can live a healthy if not healthier life than an average omnivore. If you're gonna go out there and become a vegan you need to be well informed and have access to a wide array of food products.

The American Dietetic Association has said that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." However, poorly planned vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium, iodine and omega-3 fatty acids. These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia, rickets and cretinism in children, and osteomalacia and hypothyroidism in adults.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

Most protein supplements are made from animal products (whey protein is derived from milk for example), with the exception of soy.. but who likes soy anyhow. Fact is most plant based proteins are pretty bottom barrel. Not saying they are bad, but you're just stuck eating a hell of a lot of beans and lentils, enough nuts to sky rocket your calorie intake, or a bunch of soy that stimulate estrogen production. Woohoo!

SimpJee

This is where I have a problem, what it sounds like you're saying is that being a vegan is detrimental to overall health due to mediocre protein levels. Do they really value animals more than themselves? That would be a good question.

It's not that its detrimental per se.. I mean someone who eats all plants and no meat is going to be a hell of a lot healthier than someone who eats all meat and no plants, or very little plants. But yeah, for optimum health a balance of animal or animal product proteins is pretty important. A regular person can get by just fine with just plant proteins and carefull diet, but when you get to athletes or someone interested in putting on muscle mass being a vegetarian isn't going to do you any favours.

And that's why I don't buy into vegetarians saying their diet is much healthier than my meat-including diet.

It all comes down to planing. If you're well informed and plan your diet well you can live a healthy if not healthier life than an average omnivore. If you're gonna go out there and become a vegan you need to be well informed and have access to a wide array of food products.

The American Dietetic Association has said that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." However, poorly planned vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium, iodine and omega-3 fatty acids. These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia, rickets and cretinism in children, and osteomalacia and hypothyroidism in adults.

Packt

That makes sense, hopefully most of these vegans aren't doing it for a fad or they could really hurt themselves.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I don't care about them. If they don't want to do what's right for their body it's not my problem.Packt

I take that offensively. :|

Vegetarians are fine, it's vegans (from what I've just read in the thread) that might be less healthy than their meat eating counterparts.

It all comes down to planing. If you're well informed and plan your diet well you can live a healthy if not healthier life than an average omnivore. If you're gonna go out there and become a vegan you need to be well informed and have access to a wide array of food products.

The American Dietetic Association has said that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." However, poorly planned vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium, iodine and omega-3 fatty acids. These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia, rickets and cretinism in children, and osteomalacia and hypothyroidism in adults.

You can also get all those nutrients in plants. :D

I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Devouring_One

Have you ever seen footage of slaughterhouses? From live cow to packaged meat?

I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Devouring_One

Well aside from specific health benefits when compared to your average American/Canadian diet the next major reason seems to be moral values. Alot of vegans/vegetarians claim that animals are sentient and therefore have their own rights and that by "enslaving them" for our specific gain (i.e. consumption) we are infringing upon their rights and doing such is morally and ethically wrong.

There are lots of arguments to the contrary, but I don't really feel like getting into that debate right now. You can do your own research though, or form your own opinions.

I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Devouring_One

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

I think that it is a little weird. People are suposed to be omnivorous. We need certain vitamins that are found in meat (protien, B12, D, etc.) I think that if nothing else they should eat a little fish.

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Masinai

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Also that the factory farming industry is woefully inefficient and contributes more pollution to the environment than most other heavy industry.

[QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Engrish_Major

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Also that the factory farming industry is woefully inefficient and contributes more pollution to the environment than most other heavy industry.

*hug*

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Masinai

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Its only healthy if you make sure that you get appropriate amounts of protien, vitamin D, vitamine B12, iron and so forth. Do you make sure that you get all of those?

[QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.laughingman42

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Its only healthy if you make sure that you get appropriate amounts of protien, vitamin D, vitamine B12, iron and so forth. Do you make sure that you get all of those?

I find all those things in the plants I eat. But I also take backup pills every week or so x3.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Masinai

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Also that the factory farming industry is woefully inefficient and contributes more pollution to the environment than most other heavy industry.

*hug*

:oops:

lol - Hug trees and be morally good, dont harm plants!

You can also get all those nutrients in plants. :D

Masinai

bu...bu...but where's the meat? :cry:

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.Masinai

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Its only healthy if you make sure that you get appropriate amounts of protien, vitamin D, vitamine B12, iron and so forth. Do you make sure that you get all of those?

I find all those things in the plants I eat. But I also take backup pills every week or so x3.

B12 is not found in plants. Is that the supliment that you take? If not you need to start taking that supliment (or even better eat fish, which can be a very healthy meat)

[QUOTE="Masinai"]

You can also get all those nutrients in plants. :D

SimpJee

bu...bu...but where's the meat? :cry:

Don't worry, you can always satisfy your meat cravings with this. xD

I think it's rather silly that they don't eat meat.

They think it's rather silly I eat meat.

I think it will all end well if we don't bother each other on this subject and be tolerant of each others' beliefs.

The only meat I really eat is fish, and that's only in one meal a day, so I'm pretty darn close to being a vegetarian, so evidently I don't exactly mind vegetarians. :P Although, in my case, it's for the health benefits that I eat like that, not because I see something wrong with eating meat.

Anyway, for every vegetarian who hassles meat-eaters over eating meat, there's a meat-eater who hassles vegetarians over not eating meat. I don't get why everyone singles out vegetarians for the practice of giving people grief over their eating habits. Just live and let live.

I think that it is a little weird. People are suposed to be omnivorous. We need certain vitamins that are found in meat (protien, B12, D, etc.) I think that if nothing else they should eat a little fish.

laughingman42

As I mentioned above, vegans generally are such due to the moral concerns I raised above. I don't necessarily agree with those concerns, but that is the main reason someone will become vegan.

It seems there is a bit of an issue here, because before mass population of the earth, while we were cooking and eating meat as a staple of our diet; this meat would be hunted for. It was all a fairly "natural" process. It's not until recently (relatively speaking) through the cultivation and domestication of livestock that such moral concerns could really be raised. There seems to be some sort of moral disconnect between "naturally" acquiring our meat and the domestication of livestock; which vegans would deem unnatural. However, one cannot really see an alternative to the domestication of livestock to have meat readily available to the extremely large population of naturally evolved omnivorous human beings. We could not be expected to hunt for our food as we would have during nomadic times.

I guess a main contrary argument would be, what is "natural" in acquiring our sustenance. We have been domesticating livestock for thousands of years. Has it not become a natural part of human social and physical evolution? These are all debatable subjects, you can do some research and come to your own conclusions.

[QUOTE="Masinai"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]I don't really mind, but I don't understand the idea behind vegeterians.laughingman42

I chose to become vegetarian because it gives me about 1% chance of being obese, it makes me live alot longer, it's incredibly healthy for me, and I want to save those animals. Did you know that chickens are the most abused animal on earth? I mean, jesus.. *hugs her chickens*

Its only healthy if you make sure that you get appropriate amounts of protien, vitamin D, vitamine B12, iron and so forth. Do you make sure that you get all of those?

I find all those things in the plants I eat. But I also take backup pills every week or so x3.

B12 is not found in plants. Is that the supliment that you take? If not you need to start taking that supliment (or even better eat fish, which can be a very healthy meat)

B12 is found in these things. So Tempeh, some kind of seaweed, and nutritional yeast are vegetarian B12 suppliments. :D

*strokes Tempeh* MIANE

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

You can also get all those nutrients in plants. :D

Masinai

bu...bu...but where's the meat? :cry:

Don't worry, you can always satisfy your meat cravings with this. xD

yessss! Bacon Salt is a complete epic win.

[QUOTE="Masinai"][QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="Masinai"]

You can also get all those nutrients in plants. :D

SimpJee

bu...bu...but where's the meat? :cry:

Don't worry, you can always satisfy your meat cravings with this. xD

yessss! Bacon Salt is a complete epic win.

B12 is found in these things. So Tempeh, some kind of seaweed, and nutritional yeast are vegetarian B12 suppliments. :D

*strokes Tempeh* MIANE

Masinai

Those MIGHT contain B12 that they may or may not absorb from the enviornment. The plants themselves do not actively make B12 as they have no functions that require them to have it. Do yourself a favor and take the supliment. I would also recomend that you take iron supliments as the iron in plants is not easily absorbed by the human body. My sister is a licenced dietition and she taught my mom how to be a healthy vegitarian. trust me on this.

Those MIGHT contain B12 that they may or may not absorb from the enviornment. The plants themselves do not actively make B12 as they have no functions that require them to have it. Do yourself a favor and take the supliment. I would also recomend that you take iron supliments as the iron in plants is not easily absorbed by the human body. My sister is a licenced dietition and she taught my mom how to be a healthy vegitarian. trust me on this.

laughingman42

I could also add that B12 is one of the least toxic substances known to man, so it can never hurt to take a B12 supplement if you're unsure.

i dont really mind them so long as they meet two conditions first they dont push theyre non meat eating ways on me and second they dont invite me to dinner.