What do you think of cops

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]riiiiight. and the government caused 9/11 right?

Palantas

Yeah, silly conspiracy theorists! Click the link above to watch as the SWAT team protects and serves!

An incident of police brutality does not support either of the statements you quoted. I'm not sure what point you're making here.

That cops (as a collective unit, not as individuals) uphold a corrupt system.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

i think i should have gotten a ticket today. i was in a school zone (25 mph speed limit) and i was going like 35 and didn't realize it, next thing i know there's a cop car behind me, but didn't pull me over or anything. i consider myself kinda lucky :P

airshocker

Here's some useful info. Unless you see us sitting there, we're probably NOT running radar. As long as you're not going too fast, we don't care. It's when people swerve, or don't signal, or do all sorts of other jackassery on the road that ticks us off.

Yeah...I generally don't even worry too much about that, even when I have a police car riding my ass. I'll go over the speed limit, as long as it's not ridiculous or anything. Generally speaking, the police just ride my ass until they have an opportunity to pass me. There's only one time that didn't work, and even then I didn't get pulled over. The cop just pulled up next to me at a red light, and told me to slow down.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

i think i should have gotten a ticket today. i was in a school zone (25 mph speed limit) and i was going like 35 and didn't realize it, next thing i know there's a cop car behind me, but didn't pull me over or anything. i consider myself kinda lucky :P

airshocker

Here's some useful info. Unless you see us sitting there, we're probably NOT running radar. As long as you're not going too fast, we don't care. It's when people swerve, or don't signal, or do all sorts of other jackassery on the road that ticks us off.

Giving an opinion (just based on personal experiences) means I have had a chip on my shoulder since the day I was born? Thanks for the heads up.Radiatedrich91

Granted I was assuming things based on your previous posts but it seemed like you were saying that (despite admitting to speeding and other minor driving offences) the times you were actually pulled over it had something to do with your ethnicity. Sorry but that's a chip in my eyes. I could just as easily say I'd be more likely to be pulled over because I'm a female driver, but it would be just as jaded an opinion, the fact is I'm gonna get pulled over because of how I'm driving and that's it.

I agree for the most part (except for your harsh judgment that anyone who speeds at any time is a "dickhead"). Just because I speed occasionally doesn't mean I'm constantly going 75 mph swerving all over the road. In fact, most of the time, if I find myself going fast I slow down. However, I'm also not uptight about speed limits just because it's THA LAW!!!11MissLibrarian

Ooooh, MOST of the time when you're going fast, you slow down! Well done you!

And I am not uptight about the speed limits because of the law, I am uptight about them because of the facts and figures behind speed and accidents. I've posted this before itt but maybe you missed it. An 80% chance of a child living should I accidentally hit them at 30mph, as opposed to a 20% of them living should I hit them at 40mph, is more than reason enough for me to be wary of my speed imo. But that's just me.

What if you're driving along at or just above the speed limit, and someone passes/overtakes you (not recklessly or anything, just a few mph more than you)... would you go after that guy?Dark__Link

I guess they technically could, but I've never gotten in trouble for that.

In my experience, it's usually the police who are speeding the fastest. But there've been plenty of times when I got stuck behind a police officer who was driving right at the speed limit, and decided, "**** this, I'm passing this guy".

Could I have been ticketed for doing so? Sure, I guess. But I've never been ticketed or pulled over for doing that, so no problem.

That cops (as a collective unit, not as individuals) uphold a corrupt system.

Radiatedrich91

Fine, but I don't see what your link has to do with that. How the police go about their business, either as invidiuals or as units, is entirely irrelevant to the system being corrupt.

What if you're driving along at or just above the speed limit, and someone passes/overtakes you (not recklessly or anything, just a few mph more than you)... would you go after that guy?Dark__Link

I would silently thank god that you're not in my way any more. I can't stand slow drivers, even though they're only doing it because of me. -Shrugs-

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]What if you're driving along at or just above the speed limit, and someone passes/overtakes you (not recklessly or anything, just a few mph more than you)... would you go after that guy?MrGeezer

I guess they technically could, but I've never gotten in trouble for that.

In my experience, it's usually the police who are speeding the fastest. But there've been plenty of times when I got stuck behind a police officer who was driving right at the speed limit, and decided, "**** this, I'm passing this guy".

Could I have been ticketed for doing so? Sure, I guess. But I've never been ticketed or pulled over for doing that, so no problem.

I don't mind them, there's a few certain kinds I'm not so fond of but I have respect for most of them

Never been too crazy about those ones who seem so hung up on giving parking violations though, got 2 violations in the period of 3 months :x

And I am not uptight about the speed limits because of the law, I am uptight about them because of the facts and figures behind speed and accidents. I've posted this before itt but maybe you missed it. An 80% chance of a child living should I accidentally hit them at 30mph, as opposed to a 20% of them living should I hit them at 40mph, is more than reason enough for me to be wary of my speed imo. But that's just me.

MissLibrarian

I could have sworn I've seen Brits ridicule my country for using the imperial system.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]Giving an opinion (just based on personal experiences) means I have had a chip on my shoulder since the day I was born? Thanks for the heads up.MissLibrarian

Granted I was assuming things based on your previous posts but it seemed like you were saying that (despite admitting to speeding and other minor driving offences) the times you were actually pulled over it had something to do with your ethnicity. Sorry but that's a chip in my eyes. I could just as easily say I'd be more likely to be pulled over because I'm a female driver, but it would be just as jaded an opinion, the fact is I'm gonna get pulled over because of how I'm driving and that's it.

Yeah but if you got pulled over you could make the infamous pouty face. :P I actually don't believe I was pulled over because of ethnicity. The first time I got pulled over was very late at night. I was driving home from my sister's and I was going kind of slow because of fog, and apparently driving slow at night = drunk. The second time was when someone wanted to report me for reckless driving. Evidently someone thought I had been passing in no passing zones at 100 mph, which I wasn't. Of course they eventually realized I was the wrong person and they never caught the guy who was actually driving recklessly. So to say that everyone who gets pulled over is a bad person/bad driver is an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

As for ethnicity, it actually most likely wouldn't ever happen to me because I look relatively light-skinned. However, I do believe it happens A LOT. I used to be just like you. I believed that minorities were just complaining about a non-existant problem. However, after researching history and sociology, you can't deny the underlying prejudice still present within the justice system. Sure institutionalized racism is pretty much gone, but individual racism still has its repurcussions. You mentioned you live in the UK right? Makes sense that you would believe as you do since people there seem more tolerant in general.

Ooooh, MOST of the time when you're going fast, you slow down! Well done you!

And I am not uptight about the speed limits because of the law, I am uptight about them because of the facts and figures behind speed and accidents. I've posted this before itt but maybe you missed it. An 80% chance of a child living should I accidentally hit them at 30mph, as opposed to a 20% of them living should I hit them at 40mph, is more than reason enough for me to be wary of my speed imo. But that's just me.

MissLibrarian

Well of course I never speed in residential areas where there would be children playing. I'm not an idiot lol. If anything, I drive like a granny in town (I've been told this countless times :(). I'm referring to the highway and country roads.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

That cops (as a collective unit, not as individuals) uphold a corrupt system.

Palantas

Fine, but I don't see what your link has to do with that. How the police go about their business, either as invidiuals or as units, is entirely irrelevant to the system being corrupt.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that a SWAT team busting into someone's house to brutalize them in front of their children and kill their dog over an ounce of pot is a sign of a corrupt system. Or am I wrong?

There's good cops, and there's bad cops, and.. there's idiots who break the law.. It's a dangerous job so I gotta give them some respect.

Bad boys, bad boys

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do

When they come for you

They cant catch me! :x

Obligatory:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc.

Eh, no complaints from me.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that a SWAT team busting into someone's house to brutalize them in front of their children and kill their dog over an ounce of pot is a sign of a corrupt system. Or am I wrong?

Radiatedrich91

You are wrong. That doesn't indicate a system is corrupt at all.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that a SWAT team busting into someone's house to brutalize them in front of their children and kill their dog over an ounce of pot is a sign of a corrupt system. Or am I wrong?

Palantas

You are wrong. That doesn't indicate a system is corrupt at all.

So are you arguing that their measures were warranted or that these situations are exceptions?

So are you arguing that their measures were warranted or that these situations are exceptions?

Radiatedrich91

I'm saying that your example does not logically demonstrate that the American government is corrupt. Police brutality can occur with or without corruption.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

So are you arguing that their measures were warranted or that these situations are exceptions?

Palantas

I'm saying that your example does not logically demonstrate that the American government is corrupt. Police brutality can occur with or without corruption.

Of course it can, but what I'm saying is the REASON the SWAT team was allowed to bust into that home in the first place and do all those horrible things was completely unjust.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Fine, but I don't see what your link has to do with that. How the police go about their business, either as invidiuals or as units, is entirely irrelevant to the system being corrupt.

Hemmaroids

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that a SWAT team busting into someone's house to brutalize them in front of their children and kill their dog over an ounce of pot is a sign of a corrupt system. Or am I wrong?

So just because there are worse systems than the US means we shouldn't be critical and skeptical? If that were to happen, then we WOULD end up like those other countries.

I could have sworn I've seen Brits ridicule my country for using the imperial system.coolbeans90

Of course it can, but what I'm saying is the REASON the SWAT team was allowed to bust into that home in the first place and do all those horrible things was completely unjust.

Radiatedrich91

The American government is unjust because of marijuana laws? That doesn't make sense, so that must not be what you're saying. To what reason are you referring?

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

Of course it can, but what I'm saying is the REASON the SWAT team was allowed to bust into that home in the first place and do all those horrible things was completely unjust.

Palantas

The American government is unjust because of marijuana laws? That doesn't make sense, so that must not be what you're saying. To what reason are you referring?

What I'm saying is it's unjust for a SWAT team to be able to obtain a search warrant over an ounce of marijuana. Not only because of what happened in that video, but because they are able to get away with it if the victim can't afford a decent attorney.

Yeah but if you got pulled over you could make the infamous pouty face. :P You mentioned you live in the UK right? Makes sense that you would believe as you do since people there seem more tolerant in general. Well of course I never speed in residential areas where there would be children playing. I'm not an idiot lol. If anything, I drive like a granny in town (I've been told this countless times :(). I'm referring to the highway and country roads.Radiatedrich91

I have not, would not, and will NEVER make the pouty face! :P I meant generally you'll only be pulled over because for whatever reason the cops have a reason to be suspicious of your driving (going slow, mistaken for a different reckless driver) rather than as an individual. Of course if there's no real reason to pull someone over they won't get ticketed either - so no harm done.I think in the UK the cops are more tolerant in terms of ethnicity etc. But not so much in the cities, and there are bad apples in every barrel.

I mostly drive in residential areas but even on the motorways I am reticent to speed since something might happen (rogue lorry wheel perhaps) which'd make me smash and die. And the country roads are hell round here because there are sheep and things wondering about them haha.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="Hemmaroids"] Generally when SWAT is called, it is to execute a warrant or take over a dangerous situation. The system in the US is far better than other countries where the police can just enter a residence without a warrant and go through their stuff just because they can. If you ask them about their probable cause (which is enough for an officer to determine that a crime has been committed and arrest you) they will just laugh at you.Hemmaroids

So just because there are worse systems than the US means we shouldn't be critical and skeptical? If that were to happen, then we WOULD end up like those other countries.

Of course they don't do it for NO reason, but in many cases, that reason (i.e. an ounce of marijuana) is trivial at best and grossly unjust at worst.

[QUOTE="I"]

The American government is unjust because of marijuana laws? That doesn't make sense, so that must not be what you're saying. To what reason are you referring?

Radiatedrich91

What I'm saying is it's unjust for a SWAT team to be able to obtain a search warrant over an ounce of marijuana.

Oh, I guess you were saying the American government is unjust because of marijuana laws. How is that unjust?

...they are able to get away with it if the victim can't afford a decent attorney.

Radiatedrich91

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, these concepts are hardly demonstrated by that video.

Who doesn't speed?

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]Yeah but if you got pulled over you could make the infamous pouty face. :P You mentioned you live in the UK right? Makes sense that you would believe as you do since people there seem more tolerant in general. Well of course I never speed in residential areas where there would be children playing. I'm not an idiot lol. If anything, I drive like a granny in town (I've been told this countless times :(). I'm referring to the highway and country roads.MissLibrarian

I have not, would not, and will NEVER make the pouty face! :P I meant generally you'll only be pulled over because for whatever reason the cops have a reason to be suspicious of your driving (going slow, mistaken for a different reckless driver) rather than as an individual. Of course if there's no real reason to pull someone over they won't get ticketed either - so no harm done.I think in the UK the cops are more tolerant in terms of ethnicity etc. But not so much in the cities, and there are bad apples in every barrel.

I mostly drive in residential areas but even on the motorways I am reticent to speed since something might happen (rogue lorry wheel perhaps) which'd make me smash and die. And the country roads are hell round here because there are sheep and things wondering about them haha.

I get what you're saying and I have nothing against any cops personally (as people); only against cops as a whole and the system they stand for (a system I believe is corrupt). The average officer is an everyday Joe trying to make money for his family; it's the people they serve that I don't agree with, because history has shown that cops do not serve the people and never have. If there's a peaceful anti war or anti government protest, who's gonna be there right away with the tear gas and batons? Sure officers sometimes do good deeds, and those who do actively attempt to serve the people should be revered, but how many times is the police department actually going to help me in my lifetime? Probably none. A cop who genuinely wants to serve the people is most likely going to find his/herself at odds with the state's philosophy.

As for country roads around here, we've got deer to worry about. My sister's recent paranoia about hitting a deer has made ME paranoid, especially at night, so maybe you can scratch off country roads from my list of places I like to speed. :P

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="Hemmaroids"] That is not what I am implying. I believe firmly that one should be able to critisize freely, however I was just saying that the SWAT team does not break into one's house for no reason and "brutalize" an everyday law abiding person.Hemmaroids

Of course they don't do it for NO reason, but in many cases, that reason (i.e. an ounce of marijuana) is trivial at best and grossly unjust at worst.

That's what I was saying all along. I don't hate cops as individuals; I'm just against the laws they stand for. The German military was just "doing their job" too. That doesn't make it right. And no I'm not saying the cops are as bad as the Nazis, but there is a valid comparison in that good, hard-working, eager to please people are serving a corrupt system.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="I"]

The American government is unjust because of marijuana laws? That doesn't make sense, so that must not be what you're saying. To what reason are you referring?

Palantas

What I'm saying is it's unjust for a SWAT team to be able to obtain a search warrant over an ounce of marijuana.

Oh, I guess you were saying the American government is unjust because of marijuana laws. How is that unjust? - They're unjust because they're too harsh. Of course marijuana laws aren't the only reason the US gov't/legal system is unjust lol. That's just the example I was using because of the video.

...they are able to get away with it if the victim can't afford a decent attorney.

Radiatedrich91

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, these concepts are hardly demonstrated by that video. - The man in that video in no way deserved what happened to him, his family and his pet, no matter how many drugs he had. They shouldn't have been able to obtain a warrant in the first place.

EDIT: Sorry about the triple post.

generally speaking, i am not a fan.

I get what you're saying and I have nothing against any cops personally (as people); only against cops as a whole and the system they stand for (a system I believe is corrupt). The average officer is an everyday Joe trying to make money for his family; it's the people they serve that I don't agree with, because history has shown that cops do not serve the people and never have. If there's a peaceful anti war or anti government protest, who's gonna be there right away with the tear gas and batons? Sure officers sometimes do good deeds, and those who do actively attempt to serve the people should be revered, but how many times is the police department actually going to help me in my lifetime? Probably none. A cop who genuinely wants to serve the people is most likely going to find his/herself at odds with the state's philosophy.Radiatedrich91

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]I get what you're saying and I have nothing against any cops personally (as people); only against cops as a whole and the system they stand for (a system I believe is corrupt). The average officer is an everyday Joe trying to make money for his family; it's the people they serve that I don't agree with, because history has shown that cops do not serve the people and never have. If there's a peaceful anti war or anti government protest, who's gonna be there right away with the tear gas and batons? Sure officers sometimes do good deeds, and those who do actively attempt to serve the people should be revered, but how many times is the police department actually going to help me in my lifetime? Probably none. A cop who genuinely wants to serve the people is most likely going to find his/herself at odds with the state's philosophy.MissLibrarian

Oh... well I didn't even really read the OP because after one sentence it was incomprehensible and he seemed rather... drunk lol. I still think it's kind of stupid to pull someone over for something as trivial as speeding (unless they're very obviously endangering lives, like drivers in New Jersey), but if I got a speeding ticket when I actually was speeding, I wouldn't complain. Sure I would probably be like "Damn cops" and flip him the bird as he was leaving, but I wouldn't try to raise hell in court or anything like that. That would just be dumb because I know I wouldn't win.

Also, sounds like you have more reason to fear cops than I do. :P

Like all other forms of authority and power, there are those who use it for good and others who abuse it.

EDIT: Sorry about the triple post.

Radiatedrich91

As far as I can tell, your definition of "unjust," is "doesn't conform to my opinion." I think Interstate speed limits should be a little higher, but the fact that they are not doesn't mean the country's unjust or corrupt. How is it unjust that police forces are able to obtain warrants for people who have any amount of drugs? What do you mean by "unjust"? I notice recently you've changed "corrupt" to "unjust." Are you using these terms synonymously?

EDIT: I actually sat down and watched the video. I had just taken your word for it that it displayed police brutality, which apparently was a mistake. How was this guy brutalized? As far as I can tell, the closest he came to being brutalized was having someone yell at him.

We are better off with police than without them. Seriously, if you don't want to have to deal with the cops, don't break the law. It's pretty stupid to blame the cops for ticketing your sister when she was the one speeding (you know, breaking the law). Was it a weak call on the cops part? Yes. That still doesn't justify what your sister did. People love to hate on cops until it's their house being robbed or their car has been stolen, etc.

[QUOTE="rcafan"][QUOTE="Iantheone"] So what license is she on? A full license or a restricted or whatever you have in the states? Because if shes on a restricted then it makes sense. Either way, I dont see why youre getting mad at the cops for doing their job. You complain about how you saw 2 of the sitting on the side of the read and complaining about where taxpayer dollars are going and then you turn around and complain about the "harassing" people for breaking the law. Iantheone

But they are. Its been explained in this thread a few times why those 2 cars were so close together. Everything you have said makes no sense. They are catching people who commit crimes. Its not their fault that they cant catch all of them. They cant be everywhere at once. Whats so hard to understand about that?

A lot of people give them crap for bad reasons. Most of them are good people, doing their jobs because they want to help people. I mean why else would they do it? (Besides corruption and such.) You risk your life, the hours are annoying, and the pay isn't good.

cain006

With cops it's not a few bad apples, but vice versa. Good cops are the few good apples in a corb filled with rotten apples.

[QUOTE="rcafan"]

Seriously the other night i was driving home and i saw 4 police cars not even 2 minutes apart from eachother. two each in same locations. Don't police have better things to do than waste tax paper dollars just sitting on there butts? and just getting people for speeding.

On another not my 17 year old sister got a ticket for driving 10 mph over speed limit she was going down the hill. so now she has to take a class seriously what about the rest of the people who break the rules and laws? that they can CLEARY SEE. yet sit on there butts and DO NOTHING. cops love to harrsed young people applenty its all about the "money" they get enough of my money.

Hemmaroids

i dont mind if cops want to wait for people but the city big enough they can spread out its a waste of tax paper dollars have two cops same location than not even two minutes away another two cops. i have no issues for them sitting there but the city is big enough to expand.... and stop people for speeding or anything else.

I have sent the cheif of police of people going through stop signs and it was driving me nuts and he said thank you... i also reported an area where cars kept taking a left on a red light and they put an officer there. there is no reason for four cops to be less than two minutes apart.

We are better off with police than without them. Seriously, if you don't want to have to deal with the cops, don't break the law. It's pretty stupid to blame the cops for ticketing your sister when she was the one speeding (you know, breaking the law). Was it a weak call on the cops part? Yes. That still doesn't justify what your sister did. People love to hate on cops until it's their house being robbed or their car has been stolen, etc.

redstorm72

where did i ever say it was ok? stop putting damn words in my mouth i have posted nuermous times and i have said it numerous times that my sister was wrong. stop skimming.

i like how people can post here and act like they never eer broke the law.... and tehy don't need to deal with cops when someone breaks the law.... and many cities and states don't care if you got 10 mph over the speed limit fact.

They play a critical role in any peaceful society. Most of them are good, regular people.

That said, I've had run-ins with some major jackasses. I once got pulled over for apparently running a red light that changed as I passed through the intersection. The cop was rediculously aggressive with me for no reason and made me get out of my car, handcuffed me, made me sit in his police car and take a breathalyzer test. All of this was in front of my wife who was scared as hell. 10 minutes later he let me go since he had nothing on me. I got treated like a criminal because that cop was having a bad day or something.