What do you think of that Joe Paterno / Penn state abuse scandal?

Sounds like he didnt break the law, but he should have done a lot more. Hard to say as I dont have all the facts, but its pretty disturbing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

It is a shame that JoePa is going out this way, it's a shame he could not retire under his own terms. UprootedDreamer

It is a shame that JoePa is going out this way, it's a shame he could not retire under his own terms. UprootedDreamer

On the list of "shame"s involved in this scandal I think that's at number 100 or so. >_>

They should fire him, not allow him to retire.

They should fire him, not allow him to retire.

Oleg_Huzwog

By the standards of Ancient Greece, Jerry Sandrusky would have been an exemplary citizen.

:|

They should fire him, not allow him to retire.

Oleg_Huzwog

this~ he says he will step down at the end of the year. F that, he needs to go now. he knew wtf was going on and did nothing. imho thats inexcusable and he needs to be fired now if not arrested for being an accessory to the crimes.

how many young lives could have been salvaged if Joe and the others (janitors that knew) came forward rirte away and told the authorities?

so sad and wrong~

I'm a big Penn State fan. Joe did everything he was required to do. He could of done more, to be sure, but he is not to blame. Why didn't the eye witness report it to the police, or the higher ups do something about it? Should Joe have done more? Yes. Do I think he deserves some blame? Yes. But he doesn't deserve 95 percent of the flak he is getting.

I'm a big Penn State fan. Joe did everything he was required to do. He could of done more, to be sure, but he is not to blame. Why didn't the eye witness report it to the police, or the higher ups do something about it? Should Joe have done more? Yes. Do I think he deserves some blame? Yes. But he doesn't deserve 95 percent of the flak he is getting.Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]I'm a big Penn State fan. Joe did everything he was required to do. He could of done more, to be sure, but he is not to blame. Why didn't the eye witness report it to the police, or the higher ups do something about it? Should Joe have done more? Yes. Do I think he deserves some blame? Yes. But he doesn't deserve 95 percent of the flak he is getting.scorch-62

He may not have done anything wrong, but he sure as hell didn't do anything right.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]I'm a big Penn State fan. Joe did everything he was required to do. He could of done more, to be sure, but he is not to blame. Why didn't the eye witness report it to the police, or the higher ups do something about it? Should Joe have done more? Yes. Do I think he deserves some blame? Yes. But he doesn't deserve 95 percent of the flak he is getting.Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I completely agree. It really is pathetic how people are going after Paterno for this when he really did nothing wrong.scorch-62

What authorities? You mean the school's athletic director? He never contacted the police. A graduate assistant (who failed to intervene, but that's a whole other topic) tells Paterno that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the showers on campus. Paterno passed the buck, and that was it. The right thing would've been to contact the police. The right thing would've been to say to yourself "that's not right" when Sandusky is spotted on the sidelines at future practices with new boy toys in tow. Paterno did none of that.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"] He may not have done anything wrong, but he sure as hell didn't do anything right.Oleg_Huzwog

What authorities? You mean the school's athletic director? He never contacted the police. A graduate assistant (who failed to intervene, but that's a whole other topic) tells Paterno that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the showers on campus. Paterno passed the buck, and that was it. The right thing would've been to contact the police. The right thing would've been to say to yourself "that's not right" when Sandusky is spotted on the sidelines at future practices with new boy toys in tow. Paterno did none of that.

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"] He reported the situation to the authorities. The authorities did nothing. I don't see how that's Paterno not doing anything right.Nuck81

What authorities? You mean the school's athletic director? He never contacted the police. A graduate assistant (who failed to intervene, but that's a whole other topic) tells Paterno that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the showers on campus. Paterno passed the buck, and that was it. The right thing would've been to contact the police. The right thing would've been to say to yourself "that's not right" when Sandusky is spotted on the sidelines at future practices with new boy toys in tow. Paterno did none of that.

I did. It's called the Grand Jury report, which has been released to the public and can be read by anyone who so desires. (Warning: details in the report get very graphic).

You need to check your facts. The case of detectives listening in on the phone and the DA not prosecuting was a different child at a different time. You're mixing your kids up. The one that Paterno is getting busted on is "Victim 2" in the Grand Jury report.

owned!

psu class of 2011

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

What authorities? You mean the school's athletic director? He never contacted the police. A graduate assistant (who failed to intervene, but that's a whole other topic) tells Paterno that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the showers on campus. Paterno passed the buck, and that was it. The right thing would've been to contact the police. The right thing would've been to say to yourself "that's not right" when Sandusky is spotted on the sidelines at future practices with new boy toys in tow. Paterno did none of that.

Oleg_Huzwog

I did. It's called the Grand Jury report, which has been released to the public and can be read by anyone who so desires. (Warning: details in the report get very graphic).

You need to check your facts. The case of detectives listening in on the phone and the DA not prosecuting was a different child at a different time. You're mixing your kids up. The one that Paterno is getting busted on is "Victim 2" in the Grand Jury report.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"] He may not have done anything wrong, but he sure as hell didn't do anything right.Oleg_Huzwog

He should have gone to the police, he definitely ****ed up. Any decent human being would have done so if they knew this was going on, especially with children. Fire his ass. HoolaHoopMan

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]Check your facts...Nuck81

I did. It's called the Grand Jury report, which has been released to the public and can be read by anyone who so desires. (Warning: details in the report get very graphic).

You need to check your facts. The case of detectives listening in on the phone and the DA not prosecuting was a different child at a different time. You're mixing your kids up. The one that Paterno is getting busted on is "Victim 2" in the Grand Jury report.

Actually, if you read the Grand Jury report, you'll find Paterno gave a revised cleaned-up version of the GA's statements. The graphic paragraph-long description of what the GA saw, got dumbed down to "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature".

And you're completely disregarding the fact that Sandusky continued to show up to football facilities and practices, sometimes with other boys accompanying him. Shouldn't Paterno have thought "hey, that's the guy who was accused of playing hanky panky with little boys. what's he doing here with another boy?"

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] He reported the situation to the authorities. The authorities did nothing. I don't see how that's Paterno not doing anything right.scorch-62

It wasn't the next day. It took nearly two weeks before the graduate assistant was called in for the interview with the AD and VP.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]He should have gone to the police, he definitely ****ed up. Any decent human being would have done so if they knew this was going on, especially with children. Fire his ass. scorch-62

On top of that Paterno let this scum bag parade around different boys after the incident he was first involved in. He's part of an athletic program that sheltered a ****ing pedophile.

It wasn't the next day. It took nearly two weeks before the graduate assistant was called in for the interview with the AD and VP.Oleg_Huzwog

I'm a big Penn State fan. Joe did everything he was required to do. He could of done more, to be sure, but he is not to blame. Why didn't the eye witness report it to the police, or the higher ups do something about it? Should Joe have done more? Yes. Do I think he deserves some blame? Yes. But he doesn't deserve 95 percent of the flak he is getting.

Grodus5

He ran one of the cleanest and honest programs in the NCAA Mythomniac

Yeah, obviously.

:roll:

The fact is that he knew child rape (or close to it) was going on and he didn't do everything in his power to stop it. That's a huge failure on his part. He even admitted that himself today.

Spare me the "oh it's so sad that he'll be remembered for this now:(" thing because enabling a child rapist trumps any wins he may have gotten on the football field. He deserves to be remembered for this more than anything else. F*** Joe Paterno.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]It wasn't the next day. It took nearly two weeks before the graduate assistant was called in for the interview with the AD and VP.scorch-62

The wise one forgives you.

But I'd like to hear your thoughts on the same question I asked Nuck81. What about how Sandusky, for years after the alleged shower rape, continued to show up to campus, facilities, and practices, sometimes accompanied by other boys? Shouldn't Paterno have done something?

I think that this has nothing to do with Joe Paterno. Holding him accountable in any way is ridiculous. Should he have fired one of his coaches based off accusations? Absolutely not. People who are accused of something deserve due process. And it was not Joe's job to take care of that. IT's a terrible thing that we live in a world where somebody can cry sexual assault/abuse and destroy somebody elses life without any evidence. Shouldn't the focus be on the accusers and the accused? I don't see how this has anything to do with Joe. He's not a judge, lawyer, or law enforcement officer.

I think that this has nothing to do with Joe Paterno. Holding him accountable in any way is ridiculous. Should he have fired one of his coaches based off accusations? Absolutely not. People who are accused of something deserve due process. And it was not Joe's job to take care of that. IT's a terrible thing that we live in a world where somebody can cry sexual assault/abuse and destroy somebody elses life without any evidence. Shouldn't the focus be on the accusers and the accused? I don't see how this has anything to do with Joe. He's not a judge, lawyer, or law enforcement officer.

UniverseIX

What in the world are you talking about? Have you not looked into the topic at all?

You ask about "firing one of his coaches". Sandusky was a retired ex-coach at the time the matter was brought to Paterno's attention in 2002. You say "deserve due process". Due process only starts when the police (real police) get involved, which never happened. You say "without any evidence". There was an eyewitness who saw Sandusky raping a boy! How much more evidence do you need?!? Was the graduate assistant supposed to have brought hair samples and fingerprints?

The accused is facing a mountain of criminal charges. There's no need to focus on him, because the judicial system already has that covered. Joe Paterno is not being charged thanks to his pathetic bare-minimum actions. The court of public opinion is the only court for him to face, and he is rightfully being hammered hard by that court.

What happened to the kids is tragic, they're the biggest victims in the whole thing. It's a shame that it's gonna end like this for JoePa though, he didn't handle it perfectly, far from it. But he's been made the face of the whole story when he really only deserves probably a fraction of the blame (it obviously lies on Sardusky, but both Curley the AD, and Schultz the school's VP who was overseeing the police department had more responsbility to take the investigation further)

I don't get why this is even called a Joe Paterno scandal. It's amazing how because people for whatever reason expected more from Paterno, he completely stole away the spotlight from the perpetrator in this case.

Honeslty, it doesn't affect my impression of Joe at all. He was a good coach and that's how I'll remember him.

Also, I'll be more disappointed if Spanier steps down because of this. It'd suck to see him leave.

It's official he's been fired.

It's official he's been fired.

CJL13

It's good to hear they're both gone.

Now the question is...why is McQueary still employed? He actually saw a kid getting raped and his response was....to leave and call his dad. :|

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]The wise one forgives you. But I'd like to hear your thoughts on the same question I asked Nuck81. What about how Sandusky, for years after the alleged shower rape, continued to show up to campus, facilities, and practices, sometimes accompanied by other boys? Shouldn't Paterno have done something?scorch-62

It's because of who he is. He's JoePa. He's not just the coach of the Penn St football team. He IS Penn St. It was funny listening to the press conference just a few minutes ago, where the crowd was all mute and "meh" when the Board of Trustees announced the President of the university was being fired. But when they proceed to say the same thing is happening to Paterno, there were stunned gasps and rumblings clearly audible.

It's because of who he is. He's JoePa. He's not just the coach of the Penn St football team. He IS Penn St. It was funny listening to the press conference just a few minutes ago, where the crowd was all mute and "meh" when the Board of Trustees announced the President of the university was being fired. But when they proceed to say the same thing is happening to Paterno, there were stunned gasps and rumblings clearly audible.Oleg_Huzwog

These students starting a riot...:| Football > everything else, apparently. JML897

Any footage?