What do you think of the DREAM Act?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yeah, you also have to give up your citizenship of any other country you have.

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The requirement to give up past citizenships was rescinded a few years ago. You can be a dual-citizen but you won't qualify for a Secret or Top Secret clearance unless you renounce any non-US citizenships.

It was? I guess my friends should have waited.. they had to give it up, they been there 4 years now.

Against.

Part of The US's problem with illegal immigration is the fact that we subsidize illegal immigrants when they stay here for long enough. Laws like this only give people the idea that crossing the border illegally isn't a crime.

I kinda like the idea.

Pros: 1. We have more educated citizens. 2. We have a stronger military. 3. The costs of illegal immigration drop. 4. Less illegal immigrants. Cons: 1. Teh illegals.Theokhoth

Stronger military made up of people born in another country and serving for self gain. That has worked brilliantly in the past. :roll:

Illegals would leave the country on their own if punished employers and stopped passing laws that reward them for crossing illegally.

Pros: 1. We have more educated citizens. 2. We have a stronger military. 3. The costs of illegal immigration drop. 4. Less illegal immigrants. Cons: 1. Teh illegals.Theokhoth

They wouldn't make the military stronger. The military is already exceeding its recruitment goals and passing the DREAM Act would have little effect on recruitment. Congress makes the decision on how large the military can be and when they recruit enough people they just raise standards to limit applicants or put a temporary freeze on new accessions. That's why the Army isn't even accepting people with GEDs or with felony or drug convictions anymore, they just don't need them with the way the economy is. The Air Force and Coast Guard are even worse, they have a huge backlog just to get to the military processing station so you can join and you could be waiting weeks or evenmonths just to sign your contract let alone go to training. Now, if the economy was booming and we were having the same trouble with recruitment that we had in 2004 and 2005 I can see the bill making a difference. Also, since they wouldn't be citizens they wouldn't be able to get jobs that require a security clearance. That would put any military intelligence job, most administration and communication jobs, and several others out of their reach. It's possible that if the bill does get passed they might even put a limit on how many people can enlist that were affected by the bill the same they limit how many GED holders they take at a given time.

Actually, I have no problem with that. I don't mind having people that are educated, working, or serving their country. I don't want droves of uneducated, unskilled people coming to this country, but this act seems to focus on those with skills and education.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Pros: 1. We have more educated citizens. 2. We have a stronger military. 3. The costs of illegal immigration drop. 4. Less illegal immigrants. Cons: 1. Teh illegals.UnknownSniper65

Stronger military made up of people born in another country and serving for self gain. That has worked brilliantly in the past. :roll:

Illegals would leave the country on their own if punished employers and stopped passing laws that reward them for crossing illegally.

You're s****in' yourself if you think anybody joins without 'serving for self gain'. Easily 3/4 of all the people I've met in the service did so for economic reasons. And half the other 1/4 soon realize that the money is one of the major reasons they stay.

Military service is great, but discussing the platitudes of thatservice? Please.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I have two problems with it: One, it's the only reason Harry Reid won, and two, it's a form of amnesty.

I would rather something be done to help those who are actually waiting on a list to become citizens rather than help the people who crossed over into our borders illegally. Regardless of the child not being at fault.

Pixel-Pirate

Actually I'd say the only reason Harry Reid won is because the republicans put him up against a psychopath who was pro theocracy and pro prohibition.

As well as her vague support of Scientology and her bats*** comments that Dearborn, MI and Frankfort, TX (a town that essentially hasn't even existed since the mid-1970's) have been taken over by Sharia law.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I have two problems with it: One, it's the only reason Harry Reid won, and two, it's a form of amnesty.

I would rather something be done to help those who are actually waiting on a list to become citizens rather than help the people who crossed over into our borders illegally. Regardless of the child not being at fault.

worlock77

Actually I'd say the only reason Harry Reid won is because the republicans put him up against a psychopath who was pro theocracy and pro prohibition.

As well as her vague support of Scientology and her bats*** comments that Dearborn, MI and Frankfort, TX (a town that essentially hasn't even existed since the mid-1970's) have been taken over by Sharia law.