What does Christmas have to do with Christianity nowadays?

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#1 Tigerman950
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I'm really just curious, because it kinda seems as if Christmas has been all but commercialized at this point, and nowadays it doesn't seem to have to do with much besides presents, advertisements and promotions. While I'm sure many of you hold it close to heart as a religious celebration of the birth of Jesus, I'd just like to know, what does it really have in the religious department these days?

I just know so many Jews/Hindus/even atheists who celebrate it, but I always just wonder, isn't it supposed to be centered around Jesus as a Christian holiday? I mean, as a Muslim, I do love Christmas and the spirit of the holiday season, but I don't go so far as buying a Christmas tree and presents for all of my friends/family members (as awesome as all of that sounds). In fact, my birthday is on Christmas, lol.

Feel free to educate me on the subject, because for some reason I just find it very interesting.

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Christmas was never a Christian holiday to begin with. It originated from old Pagan and Ancient Roman traditions.
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The day Jesus Christ was born? Seriously people?

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#4 Tigerman950
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The day Jesus Christ was born? Seriously people?

ScottMescudi

Read the whole OP. I know what it's about. I just don't completely understand the current emphasis of it.

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#5 RisethNameless
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As a LaVeyan Satanist; Christmas has absolute jack to do with Christianity to me.
It's just free stuff

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#6 MetroidPrimePwn
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For some people, it has a lot to do with Christianity.

But yeah, for most people it's about as unChristian as anything gets.

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Christmas was never a Christian holiday to begin with. It originated from old Pagan and Ancient Roman traditions. TheFatPerson
Oh God, not this idiotic argument again. Christmas is fully a Christian holiday. Just because it took the place of a holiday that was no longer being celebrated doesn't make it that holiday. The Christians thought that would be a great day to celebrate Christ's incarnation so they used a day previously set apart, and created their own holiday. The only connection it has with the Solstice at all is the date. That being said, in today's world for a majority of people Christmas is no longer a Christian holiday but rather a consumer holiday, run mostly by the retail chains and American Commerce. There are still however still many people who do celebrate it primarily as a religious holiday.
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#8 branketra
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I believe the reason for the gift giving is because of the 3 Magi or "3 wise men" who brought gifts to Jesus on the day of his birth. The Christmas tree probably has something to do with a pagan religion that was combined together with Christianity in the past.
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Whatever excuse Christians can come up with.
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For many Christmas is a time to remember Christ's first coming, for others Christmas is a time to spend with family, and for others this time is a time for financial gain/getting presents. However, for most Christmas is a combination of these things. There comes a time when we must acknowledge that not everyone does everything and believe everything that we do. What should be our response? Some say evangelism, some say get over it, and others simply respond by being idiots. Personally speaking, Christmas in and of itself is unimportant but I simply use it as an excuse to meditate upon God's becoming a man for the sake of humanity and to spend time with family. While I certainly do wish that others would in some form celebrate Jesus' coming, I am not offended when a non-Christian does not celebrate Christmas in the same manner that I might.
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#11 branketra
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[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]Christmas was never a Christian holiday to begin with. It originated from old Pagan and Ancient Roman traditions. ferrari2001
Oh God, not this idiotic argument again. Christmas is fully a Christian holiday. Just because it took the place of a holiday that was no longer being celebrated doesn't make it that holiday. The Christians thought that would be a great day to celebrate Christ's incarnation so they used a day previously set apart, and created their own holiday. The only connection it has with the Solstice at all is the date. That being said, in today's world for a majority of people Christmas is no longer a Christian holiday but rather a consumer holiday, run mostly by the retail chains and American Commerce. There are still however still many people who do celebrate it primarily as a religious holiday.

Actually, there are a number of religions that hold the 25th of December to be a significant event in the life of their religion's founder. It may be considered just a Christian holiday today, but there are things about it that are pagan in origin, including parts that are celebrated today.

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It has a lot to do with Christianity.

Just because it become washed out doesn't mean it isn't primarily a religious holiday for some.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]Christmas was never a Christian holiday to begin with. It originated from old Pagan and Ancient Roman traditions. BranKetra
Oh God, not this idiotic argument again. Christmas is fully a Christian holiday. Just because it took the place of a holiday that was no longer being celebrated doesn't make it that holiday. The Christians thought that would be a great day to celebrate Christ's incarnation so they used a day previously set apart, and created their own holiday. The only connection it has with the Solstice at all is the date. That being said, in today's world for a majority of people Christmas is no longer a Christian holiday but rather a consumer holiday, run mostly by the retail chains and American Commerce. There are still however still many people who do celebrate it primarily as a religious holiday.

Actually, there are a number of religions that hold the 25th of Christmas to be a significant event in the life of their religion's founder. It may be considered just a Christian holiday today, but there are things about it that are pagan in origin, including parts that are celebrated today.

But originally the Holiday was not to celebrate the new solstice. Yes it was on that same date, but it was a time that Christians used to remember Christ's incarnation. It was an original and unique holiday. Now today's holiday, yes, it is very influenced by the pagan rituals but as a purely religious holiday it is it's own unique holiday that took a popular date to use as it's own.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Oh God, not this idiotic argument again. Christmas is fully a Christian holiday. Just because it took the place of a holiday that was no longer being celebrated doesn't make it that holiday. The Christians thought that would be a great day to celebrate Christ's incarnation so they used a day previously set apart, and created their own holiday. The only connection it has with the Solstice at all is the date. That being said, in today's world for a majority of people Christmas is no longer a Christian holiday but rather a consumer holiday, run mostly by the retail chains and American Commerce. There are still however still many people who do celebrate it primarily as a religious holiday.

Actually, there are a number of religions that hold the 25th of Christmas to be a significant event in the life of their religion's founder. It may be considered just a Christian holiday today, but there are things about it that are pagan in origin, including parts that are celebrated today.

I simply take the apathetic stance. I do not care about it's origin so long as those who claim to be Christians today celebrate it in a way that is good, holy, and productive. Certainly there is a time for understanding its history, but Christianity is all about redemption so even if Christmas was indeed of purely pagan origin why not redeem the holiday as well?
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well I shall be going to church that day. Also on years where the 25th isn't a Sunday I go to church the night before. On a side note I celebrate the birth of our savior that day also.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Actually, there are a number of religions that hold the 25th of Christmas to be a significant event in the life of their religion's founder. It may be considered just a Christian holiday today, but there are things about it that are pagan in origin, including parts that are celebrated today.ferrari2001
But originally the Holiday was not to celebrate the new solstice. Yes it was on that same date, but it was a time that Christians used to remember Christ's incarnation. It was an original and unique holiday. Now today's holiday, yes, it is very influenced by the pagan rituals but as a purely religious holiday it is it's own unique holiday that took a popular date to use as it's own.

Since you brought it up, what was the holiday originally for? As far as Christianity itself, of course it was original seeing as Jesus had not come to earth beforehand. As far as the date used, some people say the 25th was chosen because Constantine merged the Christianity with the current pagan religions Rome had as its main ones. On the other hand, there's a show at my campus Planetarium that uses astrology to try and prove that Jesus' birth was in fact the 25th of December and the year was accurate, too.
I simply take the apathetic stance. I do not care about it's origin so long as those who claim to be Christians today celebrate it in a way that is good, holy, and productive. Certainly there is a time for understanding its history, but Christianity is all about redemption so even if Christmas was indeed of purely pagan origin why not redeem the holiday as well?mindstorm
That's a nice way of looking at it. At the same time, I don't think there's anything wrong with understanding the history of holidays. It's a little deceptive to me when there are current holidays now that used to be for something else. Take Easter, for example. I suppose it's a good way to keep the peace, but I would prefer if people were a bit more honest about things like that.

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For the most, not much. It's a secular holiday, these days.

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#20 ehhwhatever
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There is a chapter in the New Testament that pretty much tells what it is all about. I think its in Luke.
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For a non-believer like myself, nothing. It's a holiday season. But obviously, Christmas itself does have a lot to do with Christianity.
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Same as always. Hence the name.
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Nothing.

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It's about celebrating Jesus still. It's the busiest time for churches everywhere and yes, people shop for presents. The kids may not realize it, but it's a time of giving.

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it's a time of giving.

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And a time for making money.
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nothing, im an athiest who celebrates it (and festivus :P)

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It's a made-up holiday, like all holidays. The Bible doesn't give a mandate to celebrate Jesus's birth on a specific day of the year. Its connection to Christianity is simply man-made, not divine, much like the religion itself.
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It's a made-up holiday, like all holidays. The Bible doesn't give a mandate to celebrate Jesus's birth on a specific day of the year. Its connection to Christianity is simply man-made, not divine, much like the religion itself.Genetic_Code
That's kind of odd IMO. No the Bible doesn't say celebrate the birth on x date. That doesn't mean a religion shouldn't observe the day.
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It's a made-up holiday, like all holidays. The Bible doesn't give a mandate to celebrate Jesus's birth on a specific day of the year. Its connection to Christianity is simply man-made, not divine, much like the religion itself.Genetic_Code

No **** sherlock.

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it kinda seems as if Christmas has been all but commercialized at this pointTigerman950
Aren't all holidays commercialized nowadays?
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#31 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Tigerman950"]it kinda seems as if Christmas has been all but commercialized at this pointXiaolinPrincess
Aren't all holidays commercialized nowadays?

Yeah. Can't think of any that aren't TBH....
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[QUOTE="XiaolinPrincess"][QUOTE="Tigerman950"]it kinda seems as if Christmas has been all but commercialized at this pointLJS9502_basic
Aren't all holidays commercialized nowadays?

Yeah. Can't think of any that aren't TBH....

Kwanza? :P
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#33 lamprey263
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they kind of explained it in the Christmas episode of The Boondocks
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#34 deactivated-58df4522915cb
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Who cares? Its just a day where we can meet up with family, have some drinks, get some presents, and generally have a good time with each other. So just enjoy it for what it is :)

-Hands out presents to OT-

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#36 siriusbusiness
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OP is Jesus, he said it himself. Give him some spices of something.