what every creationist must deny

[QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

So you're saying that evolution happens so slow that no one can observe it?

Then wont you need faith to believe that the universe is 20 billion years old, the earth is 4.6 billion, and all the life forms today evolved from a rock 3 billion years ago?

notconspiracy

Okay show some proof that non-living material can turn into living material.

Ummm... Miller-Urey experiment?

Argument from incredulity and confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable.

how is that an argument from personal incredulity?

Personal incredulity is essentially argument from ignorance. He can't understand how cells can form from non-living or even primitive organic material therefore it must not be possible.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

So you're saying that evolution happens so slow that no one can observe it?

Then wont you need faith to believe that the universe is 20 billion years old, the earth is 4.6 billion, and all the life forms today evolved from a rock 3 billion years ago?

notconspiracy

Okay show some proof that non-living material can turn into living material.

Ummm... Miller-Urey experiment?

also, even if you proved that life cannot come from non-living matter, it would have no bearing on the theory of evolution because evolution simply deals with how life changes over time due to natural selection and mutation

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

So you're saying that evolution happens so slow that no one can observe it?

Then wont you need faith to believe that the universe is 20 billion years old, the earth is 4.6 billion, and all the life forms today evolved from a rock 3 billion years ago?

dainjah1010

Okay show some proof that non-living material can turn into living material.

Ummm... Miller-Urey experiment?

Argument from incredulity and confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

So you're saying that evolution happens so slow that no one can observe it?

Then wont you need faith to believe that the universe is 20 billion years old, the earth is 4.6 billion, and all the life forms today evolved from a rock 3 billion years ago?

notconspiracy

Okay show some proof that non-living material can turn into living material.

Ummm... Miller-Urey experiment?

also, even if you proved that life cannot come from non-living matter, it would have no bearing on the theory of evolution because evolution simply deals with how life changes over time due to natural selection and mutation

I don't see how anyone can believe in evolution.sins_n_shadows

i don't think people need to argue with a guy as blind as this one. and this is coming from a Catholic (me.)

[QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]I don't see how anyone can believe in evolution.rowzzr

i don't think people need to argue with a guy as blind as this one. and this is coming from a Catholic (me.)

Sorry I disagree with you but evolution is still around because there is no other way to explain how we got here, other than God did it but that would be against science right?

he doesnt present a good point, just because someone denys one scientific theory doesnt mean they shun all things science.viewtifulshmoe

[QUOTE="rowzzr"]

[QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]I don't see how anyone can believe in evolution.sins_n_shadows

i don't think people need to argue with a guy as blind as this one. and this is coming from a Catholic (me.)

Sorry I disagree with you but evolution is still around because there is no other way to explain how we got here, other than God did it but that would be against science right?

I dont wanna flip out on people like you like my last post on a religion thread, but if i remember correctly didnt one of these guys already state that just because we cant explain something doesnt mean that god must exist.You have to think harder than that.

I don't see how anyone can believe in evolution.sins_n_shadows

Don't people get it? No matter how much evidence you show creationists, they will never, ever, ever believe otherwise. EVER. Just as any other strongly held belief vs. another one.Those who go to all this trouble to create these videos astounds me. People need to explore for themselves, they need to WANT to open their minds up to other possibilities instead of holding such conviction in their own. That is the only way things can change.

It is a waste of time. People will never back down or concede when the very foundation of who they are and what they stand forare under assault.

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

If they can bring forth, then they are the same kind.

A horse and dog cannot bring forth, so they are not the same kind of animal.

sins_n_shadows

Your argument=void.

Um... a horse, donkey, zebra, mule, etc. are all the same kind of animal.

Ummm, a mule is a cross-breed between a horse and a donkey... and it is generally accepted that most mules are infertile, not all of them are though so their would be the chance for a new species to be born if enough existed that were fertile. They just need the numbers is all.

Thought this might be sort of appropriate.

http://www.fstdt.com/

My personal favorite is how supporters of intelligent design say life is too perfect to not be created by a higher being.. Life is of course in no way shape or form perfect..sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="sins_n_shadows"]

So you're saying that evolution happens so slow that no one can observe it?

Then wont you need faith to believe that the universe is 20 billion years old, the earth is 4.6 billion, and all the life forms today evolved from a rock 3 billion years ago?

dainjah1010

Okay show some proof that non-living material can turn into living material.

Ummm... Miller-Urey experiment?

I know miller-urey is outdated now, but they showed that organic amino-acids could be produced from inorganic material. All he asked was show some proof that non-living material could turn into living material. Which I think miller-urey experiment did and is probably the most well known.

Miller Urey experiment didn't do that at all. Life was NOT produced by the experiment. End of story.

Didn't you guys notice, all he wants is an animal to produce in time an animal that it won't be able to mate with. So just show him that fruit-flies experiment.

Edit: Hmm, another thing. Those rare fertile mules, can they breed with horses/donkies?

he doesnt present a good point, just because someone denys one scientific theory doesnt mean they shun all things science.viewtifulshmoe

Sure it does.. Evolution for instance is one of the most widely concrete theories out there through scientific method.. To disbelieve this utterly, means to disbelieve scientific method, as well as the numerous other theories that have far less evidence provided.