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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="famicommander"]He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.DivergeUnify
abortion should be LEGAL... who are you to tell others how to live their lives? at least give them the option, people who are AGAINST abortion wont abort. get over it
Murder should be LEGAL... Who are you to tell others how to live their lives? At least tive them an option, people who are AGAINST murder won't murder. Get over itI think the point is abortion can't be clasified as murder because their is no way to say for sure when a human, is well, a human. Therefore the issue is definitely not as cut and dry as murder.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="famicommander"]He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.allnamestaken
abortion should be LEGAL... who are you to tell others how to live their lives? at least give them the option, people who are AGAINST abortion wont abort. get over it
Murder should be LEGAL... Who are you to tell others how to live their lives? At least tive them an option, people who are AGAINST murder won't murder. Get over itI think the point is abortion can't be clasified as murder because their is no way to say for sure when a human, is well, a human. Therefore the issue is definitely not as cut and dry as murder.
The arguement isn't whether it should be legal or not- it's not as dry and cut as that. It's whether the issue is murder or not. So simply saying "they should be able to do what they want" is effectively the same as what I said, since it deals with issues of morality.Well...um...he made all the other presidents look good, and they needed it. I'm looking at you, Andrew Jackson :P!Video_Game_King
No way, Jackson was awesome :o
"The Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!"
[QUOTE="famicommander"]He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.garrett_duffman
abortion should be LEGAL... who are you to tell others how to live their lives? at least give them the option, people who are AGAINST abortion wont abort. get over it
Who are you to decide whether a baby lives or dies?
Cut taxes and had Colin Powell in his Cabinet for a bit who was definitely the voice of reason.
Definitely not the worst President by any stretch, not a great President, but the worst? Thats pushing it. My parents still have nightmares of Jimmy Carter.
Cut taxes and had Colin Powell in his Cabinet for a bit who was definitely the voice of reason.
Definitely not the worst President by any stretch, not a great President, but the worst? Thats pushing it. My parents still have nightmares of Jimmy Carter.
InterpolWilco
I do too and I was born in the 1991. :|
Worse than Franklin Pierce? James Buchanan? Andrew Johnson? And that is just covering the failure leading to the civil war, and after it. That does not even go into Calvin Coolidge, who happened to be the president, when The Great Depression happened. And that is only hitting the surface of the debate. I am not necessarily saying Bush is good, or anything along those lines. Hell, I would be willing to hear argument on why he supposedly "worst president ever." I am just tired of mindless bashing.[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]He's done absolutely nothing good. Worst President in the history of the United States. Link256
you just failed so hard right there, i cant believe nobody caught that. Hoover was the president when the depression hit, thus the term Hoovervilles. After his term ended FDR came in.
He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
To be honest he hasn't done much of anything. He lowered taxes and thats about it.
To be fair to him, the only real thing he has done wrong was spend trillions trying to rebuild a country after we basically turned it upside down. The war on terror was just and he improved national security but at the same time he got us involved in a conflict that we really didn't need to be apart of.
Other than that Bush really didn't do anything wrong. No child left behind was a failed attempt at helping our school system but at least it was an attempt and now the future presidents can take it further and do good with it. He lowered taxes on everybody and loosened government regulation on business, but any conservative president would have done that.
I think this whole Iraq thing is the only real "bad" thing he has done. Of course it was a major mistake for this country and he will go down in history has being a horrible president because of it.
[QUOTE="Premier1101"]He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
Wasdie
Wait so banks being greedy and oil demand rising is Bush's fault?
indirectly yes. He doesnt have adminstrative duties over those, but he gets the information and can act on it. He did so really late.
He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.famicommander
Abortion should be legal. Why make someone be born into a world where their parents can't afford to give them a decent life and support?
I dont want to start any flame wars, though that will probably happen, I am actually curious as to what he has done right. I dont know much about his policies and what he done. Film-GuyHe lead this nation through one of the biggest crysis this country has ever faced, when the planes flew into the the twin towers, not only was it the biggest attack that happend on american soil, they destoryed the economy, which bush fixed, and he keeped another attack from happening.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
Premier1101
Wait so banks being greedy and oil demand rising is Bush's fault?
indirectly yes. He doesnt have adminstrative duties over those, but he gets the information and can act on it. He did so really late.
There was nothing that could have stopped what is happening. The only thing they could have done is told people not to take out loans and max their credit. Banks were lying about their profits and loaning out more money than they were going to get in return.
The government needs to stay out of business as long as possible. They have a 700 billion dollar bailout now because these banks were financially irresponsible. This isn't our governments fault at all.
It's incredible how much people underrate how good he's been at preventing terrorist attacks on our soil since he's been in office, besides 9/11.ice144
If terrorist attacks were a regular occurence before 9/11 that would mean something. But the last attack on our soil before 9/11 was what? Pearl Harbor?
[QUOTE="famicommander"]He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.garrett_duffman
abortion should be LEGAL... who are you to tell others how to live their lives? at least give them the option, people who are AGAINST abortion wont abort. get over it
So you should be aloud to kill little kids at will, how would you feel if someone killed there 1 year old baby just because it is there life?[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
Wasdie
Wait so banks being greedy and oil demand rising is Bush's fault?
indirectly yes. He doesnt have adminstrative duties over those, but he gets the information and can act on it. He did so really late.
There was nothing that could have stopped what is happening. The only thing they could have done is told people not to take out loans and max their credit. Banks were lying about their profits and loaning out more money than they were going to get in return.
The government needs to stay out of business as long as possible. They have a 700 billion dollar bailout now because these banks were financially irresponsible. This isn't our governments fault at all.
and bailouts make evryone think they might get one too. bail outs are just bad
[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
Wasdie
Wait so banks being greedy and oil demand rising is Bush's fault?
indirectly yes. He doesnt have adminstrative duties over those, but he gets the information and can act on it. He did so really late.
There was nothing that could have stopped what is happening. The only thing they could have done is told people not to take out loans and max their credit. Banks were lying about their profits and loaning out more money than they were going to get in return.
The government needs to stay out of business as long as possible. They have a 700 billion dollar bailout now because these banks were financially irresponsible. This isn't our governments fault at all.
its their job to make sure it doesnt get too bad. They JUST realized this....
[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="famicommander"]He's fought to make abortion illegal (though we still have a long way to go). He's appointed some decent Supreme Court Judges. He's cut taxes. Even though war is bad, he's managed to fight two of them without having any actual battles on our soil. That's about it.Jacobistheman
abortion should be LEGAL... who are you to tell others how to live their lives? at least give them the option, people who are AGAINST abortion wont abort. get over it
So you should be aloud to kill little kids at will, how would you feel if someone killed there 1 year old baby just because it is there life?This seems to be getting a bit off-topic. Reguardless of weather it's right or wrong, Bush didn't really help the pro-life movement anyway. It might be nice that he has the same views as you, but he didn't put those views to use.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]He taught us what poor decision making can lead to. Higher gas prices and a financial crisis on the brink of recession! :)
hopefully we learn the lession George taught us
Premier1101
Wait so banks being greedy and oil demand rising is Bush's fault?
indirectly yes. He doesnt have adminstrative duties over those, but he gets the information and can act on it. He did so really late.
There was nothing that could have stopped what is happening. The only thing they could have done is told people not to take out loans and max their credit. Banks were lying about their profits and loaning out more money than they were going to get in return.
The government needs to stay out of business as long as possible. They have a 700 billion dollar bailout now because these banks were financially irresponsible. This isn't our governments fault at all.
its their job to make sure it doesnt get too bad. They JUST realized this....
the federal governments job is to ensure rights are upheld and to deal with the military and things like that.
the government is not supposed to be involved with the economy to any large degree
[QUOTE="Link256"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]He's done absolutely nothing good. Worst President in the history of the United States. NYiVtecWorse than Franklin Pierce? James Buchanan? Andrew Johnson? And that is just covering the failure leading to the civil war, and after it. That does not even go into Calvin Coolidge, who happened to be the president, when The Great Depression happened. And that is only hitting the surface of the debate. I am not necessarily saying Bush is good, or anything along those lines. Hell, I would be willing to hear argument on why he supposedly "worst president ever." I am just tired of mindless bashing.you just failed so hard right there, i cant believe nobody caught that. Hoover was the president when the depression hit, thus the term Hoovervilles. After his term ended FDR came in. Yeah, my bad. I I cannot believe I made such stupid error. However, regardless, does not otherwise change the general point I was trying to make.
The only job of the government should be to enforce the law and provide a militaryits their job to make sure it doesnt get too bad. They JUST realized this....
Premier1101
[QUOTE="Premier1101"]The only job of the government should be to enforce the law and provide a militaryits their job to make sure it doesnt get too bad. They JUST realized this....
DivergeUnify
...and act in a crisis. There is a history of bad AND good choices from acting during a crisis. Just depends on if you are a republican or democrat. I am still a republican though.
@H8- you are right, but it is also their duty to keep the american people happy for them and themselves. Government is there in case of crises, but other than that, they let it go. They dont effect it in a large degree, rather a ripple after dropping a stone in a pond.Premier1101
the american people can keep themselves happy
He set the bar really low for decades of leaders. come on all's the next president has to do is not give more people in africa aid and he be better then bush.Malice_OhGr_242
you know helping people in Africa is generally considered a good thing. For instance being a little self sacrificing looks better to the world than constantly looking out for number one
[QUOTE="Premier1101"]@H8- you are right, but it is also their duty to keep the american people happy for them and themselves. Government is there in case of crises, but other than that, they let it go. They dont effect it in a large degree, rather a ripple after dropping a stone in a pond.H8sMikeMoore
the american people can keep themselves happy
oh so wrongo. lol... I'm sure American Idol and Grey's Anatomy as well as footnball hold the masses from uproar :lol:
Wel, since 9/11 there has not been another terrorist attack on US soil. That's something I guess.Cube_of_MooN
there has been failed attempts :|
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]@H8- you are right, but it is also their duty to keep the american people happy for them and themselves. Government is there in case of crises, but other than that, they let it go. They dont effect it in a large degree, rather a ripple after dropping a stone in a pond.Premier1101
the american people can keep themselves happy
oh so wrongo. lol... I'm sure American Idol and Grey's Anatomy as well as footnball hold the masses from uproar :lol:
i dont really understand the point youre trying to make.
[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]@H8- you are right, but it is also their duty to keep the american people happy for them and themselves. Government is there in case of crises, but other than that, they let it go. They dont effect it in a large degree, rather a ripple after dropping a stone in a pond.H8sMikeMoore
the american people can keep themselves happy
oh so wrongo. lol... I'm sure American Idol and Grey's Anatomy as well as footnball hold the masses from uproar :lol:
i dont really understand the point youre trying to make.
no point. Just lol. :P
time to go
[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Well...um...he made all the other presidents look good, and they needed it. I'm looking at you, Andrew Jackson :P!limpbizkit818
No way, Jackson was awesome :o
"The Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!"
After hearing that, did anybody expect him in a top hat, twirling his naturally twirly mustache, going, "Nyah, nyah!" as the train is coming around the corner to run over the National Bank (which is tied to the tracks)? AKA did this quote make Andrew Jackson Waluigi :P?
[QUOTE="Malice_OhGr_242"]He set the bar really low for decades of leaders. come on all's the next president has to do is not give more people in africa aid and he be better then bush.Serraph105
you know helping people in Africa is generally considered a good thing. For instance being a little self sacrificing looks better to the world than constantly looking out for number one
Sorry clearly i didn't say it right AIDS. as in HIV you know the virus that lowers your imune system. his policies to "help" africa are doing the oppisite.
How Bush's AID's program is failing Africa
AIDS Vaccine may raise infection risk
So i'm not complaining about helping other contries but when tests for vaccines are given to sick people in africa to "help" them i can't help but think of the smallpox blankets for a new era.
Also he looks like a monkey.
[QUOTE="ice144"]It's incredible how much people underrate how good he's been at preventing terrorist attacks on our soil since he's been in office, besides 9/11.darkmoney52
If terrorist attacks were a regular occurence before 9/11 that would mean something. But the last attack on our soil before 9/11 was what? Pearl Harbor?
I'm usually not one to defend G.W. at all, but there were other attacks before he came into office....the bombing of the World Trade Center in '93, the Oklahoma City bombing (a domestic plot, but still), and there might be a few others I am forgetting.
[QUOTE="ice144"]It's incredible how much people underrate how good he's been at preventing terrorist attacks on our soil since he's been in office, besides 9/11.darkmoney52
If terrorist attacks were a regular occurence before 9/11 that would mean something. But the last attack on our soil before 9/11 was what? Pearl Harbor?
Um, I'm fairly sure the WTC bombing in the '90s is considered a terrorist act. Also, the Oklahoma City bomb was a terrorist act. Terrorists don't actually have to be Muslim to be considered terrorists.
Oh sure, if you consider the whole, "Completely oblierating any form of order that existed in the middle east to install a puppet government that WILL fail and inevitably lead to a strong ethnic war like we saw in the Balkans, Darfur, and Germany. This plan has worked so well in the past right?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]Cut taxes, freed the Iraqi's from Saddam. Freed the Afgahni's from the Taliban.ice144
So you think the iraqis would have preferred Saddam to stay in office instead of taking a risk in trying a new government? Don't forget how many people that man killed...
Lets see, ethnic war which goes on for decades costing the lives of millions of people and creating world economic problems, or a person who killed a few kurds to keep order. I choose the latter.Lets see, ethnic war which goes on for decades costing the lives of millions of people and creating world economic problems, or a person who killed a few kurds to keep order. I choose the latter.VandalvideoI hardly call rape rooms, stinging rooms, and tossing living people into plastic shredders "keeping order". :|
[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Malice_OhGr_242"]He set the bar really low for decades of leaders. come on all's the next president has to do is not give more people in africa aid and he be better then bush.Malice_OhGr_242
you know helping people in Africa is generally considered a good thing. For instance being a little self sacrificing looks better to the world than constantly looking out for number one
Sorry clearly i didn't say it right AIDS. as in HIV you know the virus that lowers your imune system. his policies to "help" africa are doing the oppisite.
How Bush's AID's program is failing Africa
AIDS Vaccine may raise infection risk
So i'm not complaining about helping other contries but when tests for vaccines are given to sick people in africa to "help" them i can't help but think of the smallpox blankets for a new era.
Also he looks like a monkey.
:lol: Now Bush is responsible for Africa's problems :lol:If Africans weren't so incompetent they wouldn't need help in the first place.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Lets see, ethnic war which goes on for decades costing the lives of millions of people and creating world economic problems, or a person who killed a few kurds to keep order. I choose the latter.thardus317I hardly call rape rooms, stinging rooms, and tossing living people into plastic shredders "keeping order". :| On the contrary, Sadam Hussein was the only stabalizing force in the middle east, keeping the region from devolving into an ethnic war between the Suni, Shi'ite, and Kurds. His methods are questionable, but under him the region was relatively stable.
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