[QUOTE="kraychik"] kingkong0124there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Ages It's a common narrative that you hear from insecure Arabs and Muslims who know that their societies are largely backwards and inferior to ours. They're been dreaming of Islamic caliphate 2.0 for centuries, to reclaim their (largely-imaginary) glory days.
What happens if a middle eastern country bombs Israel?
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[QUOTE="kraychik"] Well, to start with, neither Arabs nor Muslims constitute a race. More importantly, your invocation of the so-called "Islamic Golden Age" is a reflection of your insecurity regarding the current status of Muslim and Arab societies. Lastly, your attempts to insult me in several threads says everything about you and nothing about me. In case you hadn't noticed, we're talking about contemporary events and relatively recent history. Jews are certainly not moving to Muslim-majority states today, are they? Well, around 900 thousand Jews were already forced to leave many Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East and Africa in the late 40s and 50s. You're trying to characterize Arab/Muslim societies in a positive light, as if they are tolerant, democratic, and pluralistic. Obviously this is the opposite of the truth. kingkong0124
there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age..Jews and Christians were persecuted during this "golden age" just like they are today. You both are incredibly stupid.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age[QUOTE="kraychik"] kingkong0124
Firstly; Arabs are a semitic ethnic group, as are Jews (Never stated Muslims were a race, nor did I infer so in any of my posts).
Secondly; Of course Jews aren't immigrating to any majority Muslim state, considering that Israel is the first Jewish nation in millenia and is far more developed economically than most Arab/Muslim nations.
Thridly; It's laughable that you state the Palestinians weren't coerced off of their land, yet say that the Jews were forcibly expelled. How hypocritical of you..I presumed hypocrisy was exclusively a leftist/Muslim/Arab vice (?)
there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age..Jews and Christians were persecuted during this "golden age" just like they are today. You both are incredibly stupid.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age I never denied its existence, all I'm saying is that during this "Golden Age" Jews and Christians were discriminated against just like they are today. There's no difference. And, on top of that, you forgot to mention that during this "Golden Age" you guys invaded and conquered Spain.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
[QUOTE="kraychik"] [QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
[QUOTE="kraychik"] Nayef_shroof
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]You both are incredibly stupid.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age I never denied its existence, all I'm saying is that during this "Golden Age" Jews and Christians were discriminated against just like they are today. There's no difference. And, on top of that, you forgot to mention that during this "Golden Age" you guys invaded and conquered Spain.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age..Jews and Christians were persecuted during this "golden age" just like they are today.
kingkong0124
Yes, you stated evidently that "there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age", prejudicidly/ignorantly claiming that Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages...BTW, I'm sure you know that empires conquered lands, right? Also, the conquest of Spain was renowned for the rather peaceful transition from Visigothic rule to Muslim rule. Muslim rule of Spain ushered in an era of prosperity and learning that rivaled that of ancient Rome and Baghdad. It was also in Al andalus where European visitors would garner the works/products of muslim polymaths that would stimulate the Renaissance.
"The non-Muslims were given the status ofahl al-dhimma(the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to one dinar per year (A negligible amount) with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled."
"Because of the Muslim perception of Christians and Jews asPeople of the Book(those who believe in the God ofAbraham), numerous Jewish and Christian communities survived through the centuries of Muslim rule in al-Andalus"
"The Jewish and Christiandhimmisliving under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than minorities in Christian parts of Europe."
"Southern Iberia became an asylum for the oppressed Jews of other countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Province_of_the_Caliphate
No response Kraychik? Kingkong?
You are correctNo response Kraychik? Kingkong?
Nayef_shroof
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]You are correct Unfortunately, I always comment on threads too late :(No response Kraychik? Kingkong?
themajormayor
I never denied its existence, all I'm saying is that during this "Golden Age" Jews and Christians were discriminated against just like they are today. There's no difference. And, on top of that, you forgot to mention that during this "Golden Age" you guys invaded and conquered Spain.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] You both are incredibly stupid.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Nayef_shroof
Yes, you stated evidently that "there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age", prejudicidly/ignorantly claiming that Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages...BTW, I'm sure you know that empires conquered lands, right? Also, the conquest of Spain was renowned for the rather peaceful transition from Visigothic rule to Muslim rule. Muslim rule of Spain ushered in an era of prosperity and learning that rivaled that of ancient Rome and Baghdad. It was also in Al andalus where European visitors would garner the works/products of muslim polymaths that would stimulate the Renaissance.
"The non-Muslims were given the status ofahl al-dhimma(the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to one dinar per year (A negligible amount) with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled."
"Because of the Muslim perception of Christians and Jews asPeople of the Book(those who believe in the God ofAbraham), numerous Jewish and Christian communities survived through the centuries of Muslim rule in al-Andalus"
"The Jewish and Christiandhimmisliving under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than minorities in Christian parts of Europe."
"Southern Iberia became an asylum for the oppressed Jews of other countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Province_of_the_Caliphate
why are Islamic countries a hotbed for Jewish and Christian discrimination today then?
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I never denied its existence, all I'm saying is that during this "Golden Age" Jews and Christians were discriminated against just like they are today. There's no difference. And, on top of that, you forgot to mention that during this "Golden Age" you guys invaded and conquered Spain. kingkong0124
Yes, you stated evidently that "there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age", prejudicidly/ignorantly claiming that Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages...BTW, I'm sure you know that empires conquered lands, right? Also, the conquest of Spain was renowned for the rather peaceful transition from Visigothic rule to Muslim rule. Muslim rule of Spain ushered in an era of prosperity and learning that rivaled that of ancient Rome and Baghdad. It was also in Al andalus where European visitors would garner the works/products of muslim polymaths that would stimulate the Renaissance.
"The non-Muslims were given the status ofahl al-dhimma(the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to one dinar per year (A negligible amount) with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled."
"Because of the Muslim perception of Christians and Jews asPeople of the Book(those who believe in the God ofAbraham), numerous Jewish and Christian communities survived through the centuries of Muslim rule in al-Andalus"
"The Jewish and Christiandhimmisliving under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than minorities in Christian parts of Europe."
"Southern Iberia became an asylum for the oppressed Jews of other countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Province_of_the_Caliphate
why are Islamic countries a hotbed for Jewish and Christian discrimination today then?They're in their dark ages now. However to deny a 'golden age' or whatever you want to call it, is historical revisionism, as you did above. there clearly was a period of enlightenment in the middle east from around 700-1200 AD, thats a fact. No it wasnt heaven on earth or a type 2 civilization, but it was a golden age much like there was a greek golden age.[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I never denied its existence, all I'm saying is that during this "Golden Age" Jews and Christians were discriminated against just like they are today. There's no difference. And, on top of that, you forgot to mention that during this "Golden Age" you guys invaded and conquered Spain. kingkong0124
Yes, you stated evidently that "there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age", prejudicidly/ignorantly claiming that Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages...BTW, I'm sure you know that empires conquered lands, right? Also, the conquest of Spain was renowned for the rather peaceful transition from Visigothic rule to Muslim rule. Muslim rule of Spain ushered in an era of prosperity and learning that rivaled that of ancient Rome and Baghdad. It was also in Al andalus where European visitors would garner the works/products of muslim polymaths that would stimulate the Renaissance.
"The non-Muslims were given the status ofahl al-dhimma(the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to one dinar per year (A negligible amount) with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled."
"Because of the Muslim perception of Christians and Jews asPeople of the Book(those who believe in the God ofAbraham), numerous Jewish and Christian communities survived through the centuries of Muslim rule in al-Andalus"
"The Jewish and Christiandhimmisliving under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than minorities in Christian parts of Europe."
"Southern Iberia became an asylum for the oppressed Jews of other countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Province_of_the_Caliphate
why are Islamic countries a hotbed for Jewish and Christian discrimination today then? A "hotbed" ? Antisemitism is somewhat understandable as to why it exists (Israel) today, but before the establishment of Israel, there was, essentially, no prevalent antisemitic sentiments in Muslim lands, unlike in Europe. There isn't much discrimination against Christians much at all really. Just very few isolated incidents of violence.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]the opinions of the victims dont really matter when judging the reality on a macro-scaleBossPersonAnd I suppose that's justification to continue the practice. Because it just doesn't matter. Wonderful mindset.Lol, you certainly know how to jump to conclusions. Did I justify anti christian attacks? No, in fact I think it is despicable... beyond dispicable. All I meant was that just because the few christians who do get terrorized or harassed feel really bad about it doesnt make anti-christian attacks in the ME a pandemic. They are the minority to start with....
[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And I suppose that's justification to continue the practice. Because it just doesn't matter. Wonderful mindset.LJS9502_basicLol, you certainly know how to jump to conclusions. Did I justify anti christian attacks? No, in fact I think it is despicable... beyond dispicable. All I meant was that just because the few christians who do get terrorized or harassed feel really bad about it doesnt make anti-christian attacks in the ME a pandemic. They are the minority to start with.......can't the grand LGS admit that he may have jumped the gun at least once instead of trying to justify his posts with stupid statements that have no bearing on the argument or my previous posts? Was my previous post wrong? Did i justify anti chrisitan attacks? Was I wrong in saying that the feelings of the victims have no bearing in judging how prevalent anti chrisitna attacks are in the ME?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Lol, you certainly know how to jump to conclusions. Did I justify anti christian attacks? No, in fact I think it is despicable... beyond dispicable. All I meant was that just because the few christians who do get terrorized or harassed feel really bad about it doesnt make anti-christian attacks in the ME a pandemic. BossPersonThey are the minority to start with.......can't the grand LGS admit that he may have jumped the gun at least once instead of trying to justify his posts with stupid statements that have no bearing on the argument or my previous posts? Was my previous post wrong? Did i justify anti chrisitan attacks? Was I wrong in saying that the feelings of the victims have no bearing in judging how prevalent anti chrisitna attacks are in the ME? If you want to be taken seriously....get my name right. It's not that hard. And second...I'm not wrong. I find your attitude way to cavalier about the violence toward minority religions in the area. I consider that despicable.
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]why are Islamic countries a hotbed for Jewish and Christian discrimination today then? A "hotbed" ? Antisemitism is somewhat understandable as to why it exists (Israel) today, but before the establishment of Israel, there was, essentially, no prevalent antisemitic sentiments in Muslim lands, unlike in Europe. There isn't much discrimination against Christians much at all really. Just very few isolated incidents of violence. That's not really trueYes, you stated evidently that "there's no such thing as the Islamic Golden Age...if there was, they wouldn't still be stuck in the Middle Age", prejudicidly/ignorantly claiming that Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages...BTW, I'm sure you know that empires conquered lands, right? Also, the conquest of Spain was renowned for the rather peaceful transition from Visigothic rule to Muslim rule. Muslim rule of Spain ushered in an era of prosperity and learning that rivaled that of ancient Rome and Baghdad. It was also in Al andalus where European visitors would garner the works/products of muslim polymaths that would stimulate the Renaissance.
"The non-Muslims were given the status ofahl al-dhimma(the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to one dinar per year (A negligible amount) with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled."
"Because of the Muslim perception of Christians and Jews asPeople of the Book(those who believe in the God ofAbraham), numerous Jewish and Christian communities survived through the centuries of Muslim rule in al-Andalus"
"The Jewish and Christiandhimmisliving under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than minorities in Christian parts of Europe."
"Southern Iberia became an asylum for the oppressed Jews of other countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Province_of_the_Caliphate
Nayef_shroof
[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not wrong in the ANY violence is wrong. Stating it's minor does NOT make it right. You seem to be justifying it....LJS9502_basicI really don't see that he is at all. He's just saying that violence against Christians tends to be isolated incidents, not as widespread as made out (how true that is I don't know personally). Violence against minorities happens in every country almost. As I said he had a cavalier attitude about it.....the perception of the cavalier attitude is just because im viewing the concept from a scientific and logical manner
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