What has caused more harm Religion or Science?

Well, science has certainly SAVED more lives than religion... but both are pretty applicable when it comes to war. Religion is a strong motive that has existed since the beginning of civilization, but technology is the tool of destruction.

Ok please add them up cause combining just WW1 and 2 you have about 100 million dead. And religious wars are the minority. Wars are fought primarily for land and greed. Religious wars are the few.illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]I said through out warS, plural...yes...more people died because of technology in single wars...but if you add up all the wars in history, religion has the higher body count... Darth-Caedus

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]I said through out warS, plural...yes...more people died because of technology in single wars...but if you add up all the wars in history, religion has the higher body count... Darth-Caedus

I like the extensive list of sources he uses, the way he acknowledges that it was not only Hitler and Communism that caused the only secular conflicts in all of history, and so and so forth.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Ok please add them up cause combining just WW1 and 2 you have about 100 million dead. And religious wars are the minority. Wars are fought primarily for land and greed. Religious wars are the few.jaydough

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Ok please add them up cause combining just WW1 and 2 you have about 100 million dead. And religious wars are the minority. Wars are fought primarily for land and greed. Religious wars are the few.Theokhoth

I like the extensive list of sources he uses, the way he acknowledges that it was not only Hitler and Communism that caused the only secular conflicts in all of history, and so and so forth.

[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] 809 million...linkyDarth-Caedus

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Ok please add them up cause combining just WW1 and 2 you have about 100 million dead. And religious wars are the minority. Wars are fought primarily for land and greed. Religious wars are the few.jaydough

I found five events on that list that weren't even religious. :lol:

I found five events on that list that weren't even religious. :lol:

Theokhoth

Darth, wordpress.com isn't a source

Both have killed their fair share. What does it matter if ones killed a billion and another a million. Still massive numbers.

Who. The. Hell. Cares.

Darth, wordpress.com isn't a source

danwallacefan

Well, doesn't science technically lead to deaths from car accidents, gunshots, bombings, etc.?deathwish124

[QUOTE="deathwish124"]Well, doesn't science technically lead to deaths from car accidents, gunshots, bombings, etc.?tocool340

Wait; one sentence you say science doesn't do these things, but the next you not only say it does but anthropomorphize it by saying it "tries." :?

Religion. People don't kill in the name of science.

Religion. People don't kill in the name of science.

foxhound_fox

I must have imagined the existence of Eugenics, embryonic stem cell research and the inhuman experiments committed by the Japanese on Chinese citizens during WWII.

I must have imagined the existence of Eugenics, embryonic stem cell research and the inhuman experiments committed by the Japanese on Chinese citizens during WWII.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I must have imagined the existence of Eugenics, embryonic stem cell research and the inhuman experiments committed by the Japanese on Chinese citizens during WWII.foxhound_fox

Eugenics is killing anybody (race, economic status, fertility, health concerns, etc) in favor of benefiting the human race by intervening with natural selection; it is for all intents and purposes killing in the name of biology.

As for embryos, what too many people consider is irrelevant to me.

Finally, the Japanese experiments were done solely for scientific findings; and in terms of science, what they found was extremely helpful. We still use the information they found.

Religion. The most harm science has ever done is possibly turn a man into something else. Wars have been started over religion.

[QUOTE="deathwish124"]Well, doesn't science technically lead to deaths from car accidents, gunshots, bombings, etc.?tocool340

Unintentionally? I didn't know we made guns for some reason other than killing people. We made guns and bombs to kill people.

But guns and bombs don't kill people. Scientists with research grants do. Ask any soldier or marine or mercenary what they can make, and they probably can't make anything more than a blade or a bow. Its the researchers who are geniuses and masters of knowledge that create all the things we use to kill each other.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="deathwish124"]Well, doesn't science technically lead to deaths from car accidents, gunshots, bombings, etc.?Theokhoth

Wait; one sentence you say science doesn't do these things, but the next you not only say it does but anthropomorphize it by saying it "tries." :?

EDIT: After reading my post, it still feels like I'm missing something though....:?

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="deathwish124"]Well, doesn't science technically lead to deaths from car accidents, gunshots, bombings, etc.?-TheSecondSign-

Unintentionally? I didn't know we made guns for some reason other than killing people. We made guns and bombs to kill people.

But guns and bombs don't kill people. Scientists with research grants do. Ask any soldier or marine or mercenary what they can make, and they probably can't make anything more than a blade or a bow. Its the researchers who are geniuses and masters of knowledge that create all the things we use to kill each other.

well during the time of christ the jews tortured him to the brink of death and then killed him in the most painful way they could think of. then last century hitler massacered millions of jews for what people they will never meet did thousands of years ago to christ. soin my opinion religion has killed more people than any atom bomb has so far. sure bombs kill alot of people but most wars are either about land, money or religion

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]Ok please add them up cause combining just WW1 and 2 you have about 100 million dead. And religious wars are the minority. Wars are fought primarily for land and greed. Religious wars are the few.BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="tocool340"]

Unintentionally? I didn't know we made guns for some reason other than killing people. We made guns and bombs to kill people.

But guns and bombs don't kill people. Scientists with research grants do. Ask any soldier or marine or mercenary what they can make, and they probably can't make anything more than a blade or a bow. Its the researchers who are geniuses and masters of knowledge that create all the things we use to kill each other.

tocool340

well during the time of christ the jews tortured him to the brink of death and then killed him in the most painful way they could think of. then last century hitler massacered millions of jews for what people they will never meet did thousands of years ago to christ. soin my opinion religion has killed more people than any atom bomb has so far. sure bombs kill alot of people but most wars are either about land, money or religion

motorstormhater

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]I said through out warS, plural...yes...more people died because of technology in single wars...but if you add up all the wars in history, religion has the higher body count... jaydough

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] I could also say that the crusades were not caused by religion. Since they were cause by politics and land. The crusades were caused by the Byzantine emperor asking for a hand to fight off the invading Turks. Most of the causes were politics and self improvement as there were lands to be conquered. Although its obvious that faith also gave reasons for these men to fight. Just like technology gave reason for Germany to take over Europe in WW2. If you want to get to the root the cause of harm is not Technology or Religion instead its individuals wills. However its interesting to see how many people will throw all the worlds problems on religion.

illegalimigrant

where is the "this thread" option?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I must have imagined the existence of Eugenics, embryonic stem cell research and the inhuman experiments committed by the Japanese on Chinese citizens during WWII.foxhound_fox

Plus, what about the scientific experiments carried out in the Concentration Camps? I'd say bad acts have indeed been done in the name of science.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I must have imagined the existence of Eugenics, embryonic stem cell research and the inhuman experiments committed by the Japanese on Chinese citizens during WWII.LJS9502_basic

Plus, what about the scientific experiments carried out in the Concentration Camps? I'd say bad acts have indeed been done in the name of science.

I wouldn't say religion itself causes harm, but rather some of the beliefs and motives that are associated with it. People can be quite decieving with their religion. Some people will try to achieve their own gain, while hiding behind a facade of faith.

Science, on the other hand, isn't really capable of harm.Understanding the world we live in doesn't harm anyone :)

Neither. Ignorance and fear filled people are at fault. Like a gun neither Science nor Religion kill people. People kill people.