What if Obama loses?

Than we'll be called racists by Europe probably. :lol:

If Obama loses, I can feel safe when I sleep in my bed at night.

It would mean America is racist.UssjTrunks

You mean like they've already "won" with eight years of Republicans? It seems only the "upper class" thinks this way. Take a walk down any American street not inside a fenced community. Things in America are just great. :roll:Bigboi500

/There is more to running a country and running it well than promising lofty and "progressive" goals that will only hurt things in the long run. As of right now, the "lesser of two evils" for the American people is McCain. His economic plans are far less harmful than Obama and his stupid idea for creating a universal health care system, which will cause a doctor shortage..foxhound_fox

If Obama loses the economy will be chaos.

It would most likely mean the downfall of the US in about 50 or 60 years.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You mean like they've already "won" with eight years of Republicans? It seems only the "upper class" thinks this way. Take a walk down any American street not inside a fenced community. Things in America are just great. :roll:foxhound_fox

Yes, every upper cIass person has a personal sweatshop / factory in their basement pumping out goods and services...

Then another amendment in the constitution will be broken

You can only be president for 2 terms bush

It will be the best thing that has ever happened.syorks1

[QUOTE="syorks1"]It will be the best thing that has ever happened.Wet_Sand

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You mean like they've already "won" with eight years of Republicans? It seems only the "upper class" thinks this way. Take a walk down any American street not inside a fenced community. Things in America are just great. :roll:p2rus

Yes, every upper cIass person has a personal sweatshop / factory in their basement pumping out goods and services...

The "rich" create the most jobs in the U.S. And by the "rich" we don't mean just indviduals, we mean companies. The more companies and corporations are taxed, the higher the prices. This hurts EVERYONE. Everytime you pay for a good/service, a huge percentage of it goes to the government. Coroporations and businesses don't pay taxes really, WEdo. This means higher prices and less jobs. Why this is just a difficult concept to understand, I have no idea.

Also, the top 10% pay 70 % of the nations taxes (with the Bush tax cuts). The bottom 48% get more money BACK from the government than they pay in taxes. Let's not forget that the top 1% account for 25% of the nations spending. The rich already have trillions of dollars in tax shelters because of the idiotic income tax. Get rid of the income tax and replace it with the Fair Tax. It's the best option for EVERYONE.

Raising taxes in a time like this is the LAST thing you want to do. Not to mention starting new programs like universal healthcare and other idiotic programs. We CANNOT afford this. We are going to spend ourselves into oblivion. Unfortunatly, McCain is going to spend too, but just as not as much as Obama (hopefully). Obama is the much greater evil here though. I wish Ron Paul didn't drop out,.

Then another amendment in the constitution will be broken

You can only be president for 2 terms bush

alexmurray

lol Nice one.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You mean like they've already "won" with eight years of Republicans? It seems only the "upper class" thinks this way. Take a walk down any American street not inside a fenced community. Things in America are just great. :roll:trix5817

Yes, every upper cIass person has a personal sweatshop / factory in their basement pumping out goods and services...

The "rich" create the most jobs in the U.S. And by the "rich" we don't mean just indviduals, we mean companies. The more companies and corporations are taxed, the higher the prices. This hurts EVERYONE. Everytime you pay for a good/service, a huge percentage of it goes to the government. Coroporations and businesses don't pay taxes really, WEdo. This means higher prices and less jobs. Why this is just a difficult concept to understand, I have no idea.

Also, the top 10% pay 70 % of the nations taxes (with the Bush tax cuts). The bottom 48% get more money BACK from the government than they pay in taxes. Let's not forget that the top 1% account for 25% of the nations spending. The rich already have trillions of dollars in tax shelters because of the idiotic income tax. Get rid of the income tax and replace it with the Fair Tax. It's the best option for EVERYONE.

Raising taxes in a time like this is the LAST thing you want to do. Not to mention starting new programs like universal healthcare and other idiotic programs. We CANNOT afford this. We are going to spend ourselves into oblivion. Unfortunatly, McCain is going to spend too, but just as not as much as Obama (hopefully). Obama is the much greater evil here though. I wish Ron Paul didn't drop out,.

If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!battlefront23

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The gov should help the people out, provide free tuition, health care, and higher wages. I guess im a dirty social democrat though.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The gov should help the people out, provide free tuition, health care, and higher wages. I guess im a dirty social democrat though.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]/There is more to running a country and running it well than promising lofty and "progressive" goals that will only hurt things in the long run. As of right now, the "lesser of two evils" for the American people is McCain. His economic plans are far less harmful than Obama and his stupid idea for creating a universal health care system, which will cause a doctor shortage..Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!DarknessLion

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The gov should help the people out, provide free tuition, health care, and higher wages. I guess im a dirty social democrat though.

I know. That's why I applied to a school in sweden. Free tuiton and healthcare, pretty much my dream.

[QUOTE="DarknessLion"][QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The gov should help the people out, provide free tuition, health care, and higher wages. I guess im a dirty social democrat though.

I know. That's why I applied to a school in sweden. Free tuiton and healthcare, pretty much my dream.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]You mean like they've already "won" with eight years of Republicans? It seems only the "upper class" thinks this way. Take a walk down any American street not inside a fenced community. Things in America are just great. :roll:p2rus

Yes, every upper cIass person has a personal sweatshop / factory in their basement pumping out goods and services...

The "rich" create the most jobs in the U.S. And by the "rich" we don't mean just indviduals, we mean companies. The more companies and corporations are taxed, the higher the prices. This hurts EVERYONE. Everytime you pay for a good/service, a huge percentage of it goes to the government. Coroporations and businesses don't pay taxes really, WEdo. This means higher prices and less jobs. Why this is just a difficult concept to understand, I have no idea.

Also, the top 10% pay 70 % of the nations taxes (with the Bush tax cuts). The bottom 48% get more money BACK from the government than they pay in taxes. Let's not forget that the top 1% account for 25% of the nations spending. The rich already have trillions of dollars in tax shelters because of the idiotic income tax. Get rid of the income tax and replace it with the Fair Tax. It's the best option for EVERYONE.

Raising taxes in a time like this is the LAST thing you want to do. Not to mention starting new programs like universal healthcare and other idiotic programs. We CANNOT afford this. We are going to spend ourselves into oblivion. Unfortunatly, McCain is going to spend too, but just as not as much as Obama (hopefully). Obama is the much greater evil here though. I wish Ron Paul didn't drop out,.

Come back when you have an actual arguement, ok?

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!battlefront23

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The last thing I want to hear when I'm in trouble is, "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help". Seriously, the government rarely does anything right.

If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

This seems really hypocritical.. Exactly what has Bush done with the economy? You should have moved out 8 years ago.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

The gov't should take care of a country? That's a very very scary thought.

The gov should help the people out, provide free tuition, health care, and higher wages. I guess im a dirty social democrat though.

That's not how the world works. It sounds good on paper, but in practice it fails. The free market does almost everything better and at a cheaper price.

That's not how the world works. It sounds good on paper, but in practice it fails. The free market does almost everything better and at a cheaper price. trix5817

[QUOTE="trix5817"]That's not how the world works. It sounds good on paper, but in practice it fails. The free market does almost everything better and at a cheaper price. Vandalvideo

Public schools are a joke. I attended a public school, and it was pathetic. Private schools are better, and provide a better education most of the time. Most of private schools curriculum is a joke? Then what are public schools curriculum? Just about every single elective and a lot of academic classes are a joke. And I went to what was considered one of the "best" public schools in the state (Michigan). But it still couldn't hold a candle to private schools like Cranbrook.

Let's face it, the public education system in the U.S. is a joke. We spend more per student than almost every other country but our results are pathetic in comparison. Why? Because we have a socialized public education system. The answer? Vouchers. Make schools compete. Give students and parents a choice. Get rid of this pathetic government monpoly.

Public schools are a joke. I attended a public school, and it was pathetic. Private schools are better, and provide a better education most of the time. Most of private schools curriculum is a joke? Then what are public schools curriculum? Just about every single elective and a lot of academic classes are a joke. And I went to what was considered one of the "best" public schools in the state (Michigan). But it still couldn't hold a candle to private schools like Cranbrook. Let's face it, the public education system in the U.S. is a joke. We spend more per student than almost every other country but our results are pathetic in comparison. Why? Because we have a socialized public education system. The answer? Vouchers. Make schools compete. Give students and parents a choice. Get rid of this pathetic government monpoly. trix5817

Come back when you have an actual arguement, ok?

trix5817

Hows this

Rich people dont get screwed by the system. It's the poor who are suffering in this and every country, so dont even play the "rich people are victims" card. If you make 5 million a year, you are beyond rich. It disgusts me how, when there is so much unjustice in the world, it has to come back to the mighty dollar. What about the ability to walk outside not fearing for your life? What about better education in urban areas? what about a hell of a lot of things that dont effect rich people every day. everyone has rights, its not about how much cash you have in your savings: everyone is a human being.

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!sSubZerOo

This seems really hypocritical.. Exactly what has Bush done with the economy? You should have moved out 8 years ago.

I would have but now I am finally in the position that I can.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]Public schools are a joke. I attended a public school, and it was pathetic. Private schools are better, and provide a better education most of the time. Most of private schools curriculum is a joke? Then what are public schools curriculum? Just about every single elective and a lot of academic classes are a joke. And I went to what was considered one of the "best" public schools in the state (Michigan). But it still couldn't hold a candle to private schools like Cranbrook. Let's face it, the public education system in the U.S. is a joke. We spend more per student than almost every other country but our results are pathetic in comparison. Why? Because we have a socialized public education system. The answer? Vouchers. Make schools compete. Give students and parents a choice. Get rid of this pathetic government monpoly. Vandalvideo

Public schools haven't just recently became a joke. They've been terrible before the No Child Left Behind Act was implemented. Sorry, I don't want a government monopoly over education. Vouchers are the answer.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

Come back when you have an actual arguement, ok?

p2rus

Hows this

Rich people dont get screwed by the system. It's the poor who are suffering in this and every country, so dont even play the "rich people are victims" card. If you make 5 million a year, you are beyond rich. It disgusts me how, when there is so much unjustice in the world, it has to come back to the mighty dollar. What about the ability to walk outside not fearing for your life? What about better education in urban areas? what about a hell of a lot of things that dont effect rich people every day. everyone has rights, its not about how much cash you have in your savings: everyone is a human being.

You didn't even address my arguement, yet again.......

Public schools haven't just recently became a joke. They've been terrible before the No Child Left Behind Act was implemented. Sorry, I don't want a government monopoly over education. Vouchers are the answer. trix5817

[QUOTE="trix5817"]Public schools haven't just recently became a joke. They've been terrible before the No Child Left Behind Act was implemented. Sorry, I don't want a government monopoly over education. Vouchers are the answer. Vandalvideo

The only reason religion isn't allowed into public schools is because it's controlled by the government. It's unconsitutional. But by attatching the money to the student, it is not unconstitutional. Saying that all schools will turn into crazy religious institutions is ridiculous. Most people aren't religious crazies. They want a good education first and foremost. Vouchers will be given to every student. Schools will have to compete. Competition makes things better. This has been done in many countries in Europe and it works.

The only reason religion isn't allowed into public schools is because it's controlled by the government. It's unconsitutional. But by attatching the money to the student, it is not unconstitutional. Saying that all schools will turn into crazy religious institutions is ridiculous. Most people aren't religious crazies. They want a good education first and foremost. Vouchers will be given to every student. Schools will have to compete. Competition makes things better. This has been done in many countries in Europe and it works. trix5817

[QUOTE="trix5817"]The only reason religion isn't allowed into public schools is because it's controlled by the government. It's unconsitutional. But by attatching the money to the student, it is not unconstitutional. Saying that all schools will turn into crazy religious institutions is ridiculous. Most people aren't religious crazies. They want a good education first and foremost. Vouchers will be given to every student. Schools will have to compete. Competition makes things better. This has been done in many countries in Europe and it works. Vandalvideo

I don't think you are getting the point of vouchers. Everyone isn't going to rush to private schools. It's going to make already public schools compete, kind of making them private. Giving everyone vouchers isn't creating a totally free market at all. The government is still paying for everyone's education. Vouchers really are the only answer. We've tried puting more money into public education for the past 30 years (adjusting for inflation) and it's gotten us nowhere.

I don't think you are getting the point of vouchers. Everyone isn't going to rush to private schools. It's going to make already public schools compete, kind of making them private. Giving everyone vouchers isn't creating a totally free market at all. The government is still paying for everyone's education. Vouchers really are the only answer. We've tried puting more money into public education for the past 30 years (adjusting for inflation) and it's gotten us nowhere. trix5817

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="trix5817"]The only reason religion isn't allowed into public schools is because it's controlled by the government. It's unconsitutional. But by attatching the money to the student, it is not unconstitutional. Saying that all schools will turn into crazy religious institutions is ridiculous. Most people aren't religious crazies. They want a good education first and foremost. Vouchers will be given to every student. Schools will have to compete. Competition makes things better. This has been done in many countries in Europe and it works. trix5817

I don't think you are getting the point of vouchers. Everyone isn't going to rush to private schools. It's going to make already public schools compete, kind of making them private. Giving everyone vouchers isn't creating a totally free market at all. The government is still paying for everyone's education. Vouchers really are the only answer. We've tried puting more money into public education for the past 30 years (adjusting for inflation) and it's gotten us nowhere.

If he wins I'm seriously moving. I dont want to be here when america collapses on its self. I want to move to a counrty that actually takes care of their people, not just say good luck with the free market!Johnny-Quest

You mean like how our country is kind of collapsing right now?

but if obama lose we'll just have to deal w/ another 4 years of meh and republicans