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#51 Weslii
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Same as human but perfect. So, we can't imagine that.
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#52 Putzwapputzen
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oh gosh, not this again. well there is only one God and he rules all :)
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#53 RiSkyBiZ-13
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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

God is Formless. He has no body and no gender, but He is called He, because He is not an It. As such, it is easier to call Him a He.

God is Eternal. He has niether beginning nor end. He continues living because He does not wind down.

God is Omnipotent. He can do anything within the realm of logical possibility; He can create the universe, but cannot make 2+2=5.

God is Omnipresent. He is at every possible point at every possible time. Time does not move forward or backward for Him.

God is Omnibenevolent. He loves His creations and sent His only Son to die for them.

God Omniscient. He knows what has happened, what will happen, what could happen, what is happening, and everything in between.

God is Just. He is the Supreme Judge of the universe, and dispenses holy justice on all criminals.

God is God. He is what He is. The HolyI Am.

RationalAtheist

god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.

You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...

Were my 100 posts last night on Free Will not sufficient for you? You have a habit of closing your ears to someone with a reasonable argument. You can no sooner prove that there is no God than I can prove there is one.

Use of simple logic indicates the assertions made about god can not be true.

What has free will got to do with the nature of god, or are you cross-posting?

If not, please re-state your argument - I must admit I missed it!

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god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.

You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...

Well, the deaths, starvation, and war are due to human actions, not God. He gave us Free Will, we are free to make earth the most peaceful and prosperous place in existence, or ruin it (as we're doing).

As for the 'fantastic superpowers,' look up Saint Padre' Peo. He is one of the only video and testimonial documented saints in history.

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#54 RationalAtheist
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You stated:

god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.

You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...

Well, the deaths, starvation, and war are due to human actions, not God. He gave us Free Will, we are free to make earth the most peaceful and prosperous place in existence, or ruin it (as we're doing).

As for the 'fantastic superpowers,' look up Saint Padre' Peo. He is one of the only video and testimonial documented saints in history.

RiSkyBiZ-13

Famine, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, viruses and bactrial disease are all non-human causes of mass infant death.

Couldn't find anything on Padre Peo, but I did find something on Saint Padre Pio. He was said to have got stigmata. Did you know that modern cases of stigmata can be explained to be caused by the sufferers? I see no evidence of any superpowers with Padre Pio. Apparently he spent much of his life in agony.

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#55 smcg69
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A fictional creation by people who couldn't bear the thought that after this life there would be nothing better..
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#56 kuenbre
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God is what ever you believe it to be. It is an essence that there is something watching over you. Some religions have Gods for everything like chairs and houses. It can be anything that is why there are so many religions
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#57 foxhound_fox
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God is an invention of the human race. It is one of many ways of explaining the metaphysical unknowns that exist throughout the universe.
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#58 CptJSparrow
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God is Formless. He has no body and no gender, but He is called He, because He is not an It. As such, it is easier to call Him a He.

God is Eternal. He has niether beginning nor end. He continues living because He does not wind down.

God is Omnipotent. He can do anything within the realm of logical possibility; He can create the universe, but cannot make 2+2=5.

God is Omnipresent. He is at every possible point at every possible time. Time does not move forward or backward for Him.

God is Omnibenevolent. He loves His creations and sent His only Son to die for them.

God Omniscient. He knows what has happened, what will happen, what could happen, what is happening, and everything in between.

God is Just. He is the Supreme Judge of the universe, and dispenses holy justice on all criminals.

God is God. He is what He is. The HolyI Am.

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Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.
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#59 Toxostomo
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God is a fairy tale. He's in the same league as unicorns and giant flying spaghetti monsters.
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#60 Ezgam3r
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Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrow
What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.
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#61 Bourbons3
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God is fiction
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#62 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3r
What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.

There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.
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#63 RamboSymbiot
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God is Real
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#64 UssjTrunks
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What is the big bang?

How did life arise from nothing?
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#65 Bourbons3
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What is the big bang?

How did life arise from nothing?UssjTrunks
So a mystical being just creating stuff out of nowhere is more plausible?
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#66 Ezgam3r
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrow
What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.

There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.

But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens.

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#67 UssjTrunks
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[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]What is the big bang?

How did life arise from nothing?Bourbons3
So a mystical being just creating stuff out of nowhere is more plausible?



No, but there is no proof for either, just because one can be backed by scientific THEORY doesn't make it true.
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#68 Fireball2500
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Oh no, here it goes again.

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#69 kornholio360
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God is kornholio360. :o
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#70 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3r

What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.

There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.

But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens.

It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.
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#71 CptJSparrow
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God is fictionBourbons3
God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.
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#72 Ezgam3r
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrow

What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.

There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.

But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens.

It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.

If that is true, then free will and choices don't exist and we're all just robots going through a script, including God, that is of course, if God's effected by time.
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#73 Fortier
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow
God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

And no one cares...

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#74 xRmRxfreakBOMB
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don't question god
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#75 Fortier
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don't question godxRmRxfreakBOMB

Or what? Will I be smitten into the earth? Don't censor me man!!

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#76 rimnet00
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... baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me... in the afterlife

Waa ah Wooo ooo oo oo oo Waa ah Wooo oo ooo oo

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#77 RamboSymbiot
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow
God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

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#78 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot

God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

We have killed him, you and I.
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#79 RamboSymbiot
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[QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow

God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

We have killed him, you and I.

I'm innocent

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#80 Rekunta
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I very much agree with these statements from Einstein about what God is. He says it much more eloquently than I ever could:

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

and...

""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

From Wiki.

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#81 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3r

What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.

There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.

But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens.

It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.

If that is true, then free will and choices don't exist and we're all just robots going through a script, including God, that is of course, if God's effected by time.

It is a pickle, free will--and something I have not quite wrapped my head around, though mostly in defining it.
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#82 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot

God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

We have killed him, you and I.

I'm innocent

I have come too early.
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#83 RamboSymbiot
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[QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow

God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

We have killed him, you and I.

I'm innocent

I have come too early.

:lol: that didnt sound right...

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#84 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot

God is RealRamboSymbiot
God is dead.

God is all

We have killed him, you and I.

I'm innocent

I have come too early.

:lol: that didnt sound right...

Well....I was paraphrasing famous lines from a book called The Gay Science....