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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]God is Formless. He has no body and no gender, but He is called He, because He is not an It. As such, it is easier to call Him a He.
God is Eternal. He has niether beginning nor end. He continues living because He does not wind down.
God is Omnipotent. He can do anything within the realm of logical possibility; He can create the universe, but cannot make 2+2=5.
God is Omnipresent. He is at every possible point at every possible time. Time does not move forward or backward for Him.
God is Omnibenevolent. He loves His creations and sent His only Son to die for them.
God Omniscient. He knows what has happened, what will happen, what could happen, what is happening, and everything in between.
God is Just. He is the Supreme Judge of the universe, and dispenses holy justice on all criminals.
God is God. He is what He is. The HolyI Am.
RationalAtheist
god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.
You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...
Were my 100 posts last night on Free Will not sufficient for you? You have a habit of closing your ears to someone with a reasonable argument. You can no sooner prove that there is no God than I can prove there is one.
Use of simple logic indicates the assertions made about god can not be true.
What has free will got to do with the nature of god, or are you cross-posting?
If not, please re-state your argument - I must admit I missed it!
You stated:
god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.
You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...
Well, the deaths, starvation, and war are due to human actions, not God. He gave us Free Will, we are free to make earth the most peaceful and prosperous place in existence, or ruin it (as we're doing).
As for the 'fantastic superpowers,' look up Saint Padre' Peo. He is one of the only video and testimonial documented saints in history.
You stated:
god can not be all of those things. If god is, god would do something about the hundreds of thousands of infant deaths each year due to starvation and war. For example God would have the power to stop the injustices that currently plague our societies.
You speak of these fantastic superpowers, but where is there any edidence that god has ever demonstrated a single one of them. All this "supergod" stuff sounds like a neat idea, but its all just imagination...
Well, the deaths, starvation, and war are due to human actions, not God. He gave us Free Will, we are free to make earth the most peaceful and prosperous place in existence, or ruin it (as we're doing).
As for the 'fantastic superpowers,' look up Saint Padre' Peo. He is one of the only video and testimonial documented saints in history.
RiSkyBiZ-13
Famine, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, viruses and bactrial disease are all non-human causes of mass infant death.
Couldn't find anything on Padre Peo, but I did find something on Saint Padre Pio. He was said to have got stigmata. Did you know that modern cases of stigmata can be explained to be caused by the sufferers? I see no evidence of any superpowers with Padre Pio. Apparently he spent much of his life in agony.
Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.God is Formless. He has no body and no gender, but He is called He, because He is not an It. As such, it is easier to call Him a He.
God is Eternal. He has niether beginning nor end. He continues living because He does not wind down.
God is Omnipotent. He can do anything within the realm of logical possibility; He can create the universe, but cannot make 2+2=5.
God is Omnipresent. He is at every possible point at every possible time. Time does not move forward or backward for Him.
God is Omnibenevolent. He loves His creations and sent His only Son to die for them.
God Omniscient. He knows what has happened, what will happen, what could happen, what is happening, and everything in between.
God is Just. He is the Supreme Judge of the universe, and dispenses holy justice on all criminals.
God is God. He is what He is. The HolyI Am.
Dracargen
Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrowWhat if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3rWhat if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases. There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.
[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrowWhat if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases. There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens.
[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]What is the big bang?So a mystical being just creating stuff out of nowhere is more plausible?
How did life arise from nothing?Bourbons3
What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases. There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens. It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3r
[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases. There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens. It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.If that is true, then free will and choices don't exist and we're all just robots going through a script, including God, that is of course, if God's effected by time.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.CptJSparrow
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot
God is RealRamboSymbiotGod is dead.
God is all
We have killed him, you and I.[QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow
God is RealRamboSymbiotGod is dead.
God is all
We have killed him, you and I.I'm innocent
I very much agree with these statements from Einstein about what God is. He says it much more eloquently than I ever could:
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
and...
""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
From Wiki.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]What if the future isn't inevitable but free-flowing? God would know all of the (in)finite possible scenarios for everything and God would be able to do w/e God pleases. There is ultimately one scenario that is chosen, making one scenario inevitable.But the scenario isn't inevitable until it actually happens. It is inevitable because it will happen--when it does happen, it has happened and thus a thing of the past.If that is true, then free will and choices don't exist and we're all just robots going through a script, including God, that is of course, if God's effected by time.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Omnipotence and omniscience contradict each other; a future inevitable cannot be changed.Ezgam3r
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot
God is RealRamboSymbiotGod is dead.
God is all
We have killed him, you and I.I'm innocent
I have come too early.[QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionCptJSparrow
God is RealRamboSymbiotGod is dead.
God is all
We have killed him, you and I.I'm innocent
I have come too early.:lol: that didnt sound right...
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="RamboSymbiot"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]God is fictionRamboSymbiot
God is RealRamboSymbiotGod is dead.
God is all
We have killed him, you and I.I'm innocent
I have come too early.:lol: that didnt sound right...
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