God is known as a spiritual being with unimaginable power, but I don't know. I believe he doesn't exist I am a pessimist I require proof. And when things bet bad what justifies there is a god or not for a god would not plagues or Natural Disasters happen that would kill so many. Whats your view?
God is justified through tradition and the human need for existential meaning. While I don't agree with those justifications, that's the way it is. God was created by man to explain existence, and the concept has been passed down and maintained through subsequent generations, regardless of contrary evidence.
Well just because you're a pessimist doesn't mean you require proof of things...not sure if you're aware of this or not judging by how you typed it... But anyway, it's only New Testament God thats all lovey, Old Testament God was pissed at everybody.
Even not going by a spiritual God based off of the modern, mainstream religions doesn't mean a greater power altogether doesn't exist. I'm not religious at all but that doesn't mean I deny the possibility of something greater than us. In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world.
How about this... God is "something that than which nothing greater can be conceived". So God can't just be an idea because it would be greater to actually exist. Therefore God must exist. That is the Ontological argument.
Well just because you're a pessimist doesn't mean you require proof of things...not sure if you're aware of this or not judging by how you typed it... But anyway, it's only New Testament God thats all lovey, Old Testament God was pissed at everybody.
Even not going by a spiritual God based off of the modern, mainstream religions doesn't mean a greater power altogether doesn't exist. I'm not religious at all but that doesn't mean I deny the possibility of something greater than us. In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world. Tiefster
The old testament god was applying his wrath onto the world and passing judgement through his people, but when jesus came he took all the punishment upon himself. Or at least i think it works tell me if this wrong.
All I can say is people need to stop holding God responsible for causing natural disasters and then praising him when a loved one of theirs is spared in a car accident claiming it was a "miracle". It is questional about the existence of God, but miracles just do not exist.
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well just because you're a pessimist doesn't mean you require proof of things...not sure if you're aware of this or not judging by how you typed it... But anyway, it's only New Testament God thats all lovey, Old Testament God was pissed at everybody.
Even not going by a spiritual God based off of the modern, mainstream religions doesn't mean a greater power altogether doesn't exist. I'm not religious at all but that doesn't mean I deny the possibility of something greater than us. In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world. 123625
The old testament god was applying his wrath onto the world and passing judgement through his people, but when jesus came he took all the punishment upon himself. Or at least i think it works tell me if this wrong.
My perception is that the New Testament and the Old Testament are completely different as far as moral balance goes. The message of Jesus being altruistic and taking on people's sins and burdens is vastly different than God creatively punishing or destroying anyone who doesn't explicity obey him. The former is vastly more optimistic.
All I can say is people need to stop holding God responsible for causing natural disasters and then praising him when a loved one of theirs is spared in a car accident claiming it was a "miracle". It is questional about the existence of God, but miracles just do not exist.JustPlainLucas
WHile I beg to differ, its all based off of experience. But to each there own. Is it ok if I don't hold GOd responsible for natural disasters, but praise him when six doctors told my mother she should have died because she had a blood clot the size of a licorice stick in her lung, but it got dislodged (the dr. couldn't explain how it happened) and that allowed her to regain conscious ness and call 911 and discovery she had ovarian cancer...I think I'll praise him :)
All I can say is people need to stop holding God responsible for causing natural disasters and then praising him when a loved one of theirs is spared in a car accident claiming it was a "miracle". It is questional about the existence of God, but miracles just do not exist.JustPlainLucas
God was just too busy prying that guy out of the car to see the hurricane coming at New Orleans. It's understandable.
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Well just because you're a pessimist doesn't mean you require proof of things...not sure if you're aware of this or not judging by how you typed it... But anyway, it's only New Testament God thats all lovey, Old Testament God was pissed at everybody.
Even not going by a spiritual God based off of the modern, mainstream religions doesn't mean a greater power altogether doesn't exist. I'm not religious at all but that doesn't mean I deny the possibility of something greater than us. In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world. bman784
The old testament god was applying his wrath onto the world and passing judgement through his people, but when jesus came he took all the punishment upon himself. Or at least i think it works tell me if this wrong.
My perception is that the New Testament and the Old Testament are completely different as far as moral balance goes. The message of Jesus being altruistic and taking on people's sins and burdens is vastly different than God creatively punishing or destroying anyone who doesn't explicity obey him. The former is vastly more optimistic.
Thats why Jesus came to take the punishments upon himself.
Nothing in scince has ever been proven, back in the the day it was a scientific "fact" that the world was flat that doesn't mean anything Scientific facts are always changeing
It was considered fact back then, just like it was considered fact that God existed but they had never seen either so it was irrational to believe it. I think that God is a little bit like the "the earth is flat" belief. Something that developed during the immaturity of humanity and will take a while to die out but will, gradually.
In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world.Someone
It was considered fact back then, just like it was considered fact that God existed but they had never seen either so it was irrational to believe it. I think that God is a little bit like the "the earth is flat" belief. Something that developed during the immaturity of humanity and will take a while to die out but will, gradually. WhiteWorld
Impossible. Some people will always need an explanation for the metaphysical... something science will never be able to provide. "Immaturity of humanity." Don't even get me started about how silly that statement is. "God" is as relevant to people of today if not more so than it was during the Middle Ages. Many people can and have proclaimed that deeper scientific understanding can bring them closer to God.
It was considered fact back then, just like it was considered fact that God existed but they had never seen either so it was irrational to believe it. I think that God is a little bit like the "the earth is flat" belief. Something that developed during the immaturity of humanity and will take a while to die out but will, gradually.
[quote="Someone"]In fact I think there is more than enough evidence to support the idea of an invisible world.WhiteWorld
What evidence would that be?
I dont see religion dying anytime soon, or ever for that matter.
i present you with a theory tc, in the world there are those who believe in science and those who believe in religion, religion says god made all, science says evolution made all, but each logic is flawed, evolution had to start with something, but nothing can come from nothing therefore science has been disproven for that reason, god had to of been made by something, but what made the entity that made god, and what made that entity and so on, so therefore through this religion has been disproven, but what are you left with? nothing, there is not logical way for humans to be walking and breathing and even reading this message.
No, tell me how silly that statement is because I think it isn't silly at all. I also disagree that God is more relevant or as relevant because he isn't at all. We can explain a lot of the things people used God to explain now so he's becoming more and more useless. People used God to explain the sun, the moon, the stars, the clouds, rain, lightning, earthquakes, volcanoes, diseases and a whole ****load of other things. Diseases and bad weather were supposed to be God's punishment, this was believed for a really, really long time until someone came along and explained these things, then people simply said, "Oh, ok. Guess it wasn't God then." And was it any more rational to say that those things were just supernatural than it is to say that the origin of life or the universe is supernatural? When we disprove the nonsense of religion, people always take a while to accept it but eventually they will and that's what will slowly turn us away from religion.
i present you with a theory tc, in the world there are those who believe in science and those who believe in religion, religion says god made all, science says evolution made all, but each logic is flawed, evolution had to start with something, but nothing can come from nothing therefore science has been disproven for that reason, god had to of been made by something, but what made the entity that made god, and what made that entity and so on, so therefore through this religion has been disproven, but what are you left with? nothing, there is not logical way for humans to be walking and breathing and even reading this message.linkin_guy109
Science does not say that evolution made all, it doesn't explain the origin of life but there are plenty of theories concerning that that are usually completely seperate from evolution. There are logical ways, actually, we just don't know them yet.
i present you with a theory tc, in the world there are those who believe in science and those who believe in religion, religion says god made all, science says evolution made all, but each logic is flawed, evolution had to start with something, but nothing can come from nothing therefore science has been disproven for that reason, god had to of been made by something, but what made the entity that made god, and what made that entity and so on, so therefore through this religion has been disproven, but what are you left with? nothing, there is not logical way for humans to be walking and breathing and even reading this message.linkin_guy109
God is eternal and always has been at least my god is.
Over here in the real world, nothing is eternal. And since you just made up the "God is eternal" belief or heard it from someone else who made it up, you have no idea whether or not he is even if he exists.
True... I find myself in somewhat of a crisis of faith these days, but I cannot be so arrogant as to think I understand the power structure of the universe beyond our pathetic human microcosm. I find it hard to believe that there IS a God, but it is impossible to believe that there COULDN'T be. That's all I'm saying. I hope there is... the thought that all of this is for nothing really picks at me.
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