What kind of idiots writes unconstitutional bills like SOPA, NDAA, & CISPA?

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Who could say no to something titled Stop Online Piracy Act? That'd be like saying no to something titled The Stop Killing Baby Seals Act.

...or The JOBS Act.

DarkGamer007

It is like saying no the PATRIOT Act, I mean, what you don't support the bill? You must want the terroists to win!

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Who could say no to something titled Stop Online Piracy Act? That'd be like saying no to something titled The Stop Killing Baby Seals Act.

...or The JOBS Act.

Serraph105

It is like saying no the PATRIOT Act, I mean, what you don't support the bill? You must want the terroists to win!

People who don't know jack about internet and web-based culture.

People who don't know jack about internet and web-based culture.

klusps

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Corporations that want more power and money by stomping out the competition in the form of indie developers and musicians so that the indie developers and musicians would be forced to go into a brick and mortar publisher and lose their IP rights as well as granting corporations a big fat pay check if the IP does well.

worlock77

Explain how indies would be forced to go the brick and mortor route.

Corporations in SOPA can demand the take down of anything even if the material isn't copyright infringement. A prime example is Universal Music Group taking down the Megaupload song that were done by big name artists like Kanye West.

Corporations now have power to take down anything, now with independents being heavily reliant on the Internet for advertising. The corporations now take down sites like Youtube, Facebook due to the "Safe Habour" rule no longer applying which are some of the biggest ways an independent can get notice. Independents don't have any advertising anymore, so they have to go with brick and mortar publishers to publish their material.

A bit conspiracy? Sure, but the corporations showed its colours by attempting taking down the Megaupload song which did not infringe any copyrights.

Hmm can't this thread become a little more practical? Can we have a list of the people who wrote them and proposed them, and how to avoid having those people do it again? Or is there no way to get them out of the system?
We should also try to get rid of the people who agreed to them unless they are too important for some reason that I can't imagine.

Republicans introduce these bills, as they do most of the corporate written bills.

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Corporations that want more power and money by stomping out the competition in the form of indie developers and musicians so that the indie developers and musicians would be forced to go into a brick and mortar publisher and lose their IP rights as well as granting corporations a big fat pay check if the IP does well.

Vesica_Prime

Explain how indies would be forced to go the brick and mortor route.

Corporations in SOPA can demand the take down of anything even if the material isn't copyright infringement. A prime example is Universal Music Group taking down the Megaupload song that were done by big name artists like Kanye West.

Corporations now have power to take down anything, now with independents being heavily reliant on the Internet for advertising. The corporations now take down sites like Youtube, Facebook due to the "Safe Habour" rule no longer applying which are some of the biggest ways an independent can get notice. Independents don't have any advertising anymore, so they have to go with brick and mortar publishers to publish their material.

A bit conspiracy? Sure, but the corporations showed its colours by attempting taking down the Megaupload song which did not infringe any copyrights.

SOPA didn't pass, it has been put on the backburner for now. It is hilarious to think Youtube and Facebook are going anywhere, since those ebil corporations use them. Why would they take down something they use for commercial reasons? I think you are going a bit overboard on this, France has a law just as bad as SOPA and what you said hasn't happened there yet.DarkOfKnight

I never said SOPA passed, way to take it out of context. And once again, look at the Megaupload song as an example of corporations attempting to take down non-copyrighted material that opposes them.

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Corporations in SOPA can demand the take down of anything even if the material isn't copyright infringement. A prime example is Universal Music Group taking down the Megaupload song that were done by big name artists like Kanye West.

Corporations now have power to take down anything, now with independents being heavily reliant on the Internet for advertising. The corporations now take down sites like Youtube, Facebook due to the "Safe Habour" rule no longer applying which are some of the biggest ways an independent can get notice. Independents don't have any advertising anymore, so they have to go with brick and mortar publishers to publish their material.

A bit conspiracy? Sure, but the corporations showed its colours by attempting taking down the Megaupload song which did not infringe any copyrights.

WELL DONE ON TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT MR POMPOUSLY FALLACIOUS.

DarkOfKnight

I am done here.

How do I hypothesis? How do I speculate? How do I context? How do I potato?

"I am done here."

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]Corporations in SOPA can demand the take down of anything even if the material isn't copyright infringement. A prime example is Universal Music Group taking down the Megaupload song that were done by big name artists like Kanye West. Corporations now have power to take down anything, now with independents being heavily reliant on the Internet for advertising. The corporations now take down sites like Youtube, Facebook due to the "Safe Habour" rule no longer applying which are some of the biggest ways an independent can get notice. Independents don't have any advertising anymore, so they have to go with brick and mortar publishers to publish their material. A bit conspiracy? Sure, but the corporations showed its colours by attempting taking down the Megaupload song which did not infringe any copyrights.DarkOfKnight

what are you done with? do you have any clue about current business culture?

I think the vast majority of politicians don't give a rat's a** about The Constitution. It's just an impediment in their way that many would be very happy to see abolished.

There needs to be some controls and laws in place to protect those who create intellectual property. I don't advocate over regulation, but piracy - not "greed" as many of you put it - is what's truly hurting many industries because whether its music, software, games or anything else that can be readily pirated and disseminated over the Internet, it ultimately affects development costs, ingenuity and consumer prices.

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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Corporations that want more power and money by stomping out the competition in the form of indie developers and musicians so that the indie developers and musicians would be forced to go into a brick and mortar publisher and lose their IP rights as well as granting corporations a big fat pay check if the IP does well.

Vesica_Prime

Explain how indies would be forced to go the brick and mortor route.

Corporations in SOPA can demand the take down of anything even if the material isn't copyright infringement. A prime example is Universal Music Group taking down the Megaupload song that were done by big name artists like Kanye West.

Corporations now have power to take down anything, now with independents being heavily reliant on the Internet for advertising. The corporations now take down sites like Youtube, Facebook due to the "Safe Habour" rule no longer applying which are some of the biggest ways an independent can get notice. Independents don't have any advertising anymore, so they have to go with brick and mortar publishers to publish their material.

A bit conspiracy? Sure, but the corporations showed its colours by attempting taking down the Megaupload song which did not infringe any copyrights.

Kanye West is hardly an independant artist. Those big name artists are all under contract to big record labels. That means that the label effectively owns them, and can effectively block them from doing anything outside that label. It's always been this way. Case in point: 22 years ago TVT Records blocked the release of a 1000 Homo DJs track ('Supernaut') which featured Trent Reznor (who was under contract with TVT at the time) on vocals. The track was released, but with vocals re-recorded (supposedly) by Al Jorgensen. The track wasn't copyright infringing, but it featured an artist that was under their control and they did not grant him permission to record this outside project.

It's called corruption, and there are way too many people like you who are fcking oblivious to it. That's why these bills pass. People don't care about all the sht the government has done until it directly affects them.

say hello to Hollywood. also the idiots in the government who don't understand how the internet works, yet endorse them all the same.

Serraph105

Scott Meyer takes a strong opposing view on these laws.

Congratulations, you make zero sense. Your post clearly indicated SOPA passed, and now you try to cover it up with immature comments. Want to speculate? Fine, but next time word it better.DarkOfKnight

Congratulations you commited the fallacy of quoting out of context nor do you appear to understand what context even means.