what should the US do if China invades Taiwan.

I wish the security council would recognize Taiwan as a soverign state.

since most americans seem to be anti-war and anti-intervention these days, I would like to know if americans still support taiwan.Lonelynight

Invade everyone.

Nothing. F*** Taiwan. It's not anyone elses business what China does with its own disputed territory.

denounce china and nothing more

Navy and marine intervention, sink China's landing force so they can't supply the invasion and then defeat whatever Chinese military units managed to get onto the island. When China becomes the world's largest economy and builds a correspondingly huge fleet, this will not be an option, and Taiwan may go for a nuclear reponse instead.

Defend Taiwan.

China will back down if we intervene, in fact we are quite possibly the only reason they haven't attacked already.

We have a duty to defend them dating back to WW2... It was the ROC that was our ally during the war, and the ROC who we recognized as the official China until Nixon. Not to mention decades of us promising to protect their sovereignty as well as modern military sales to them.

Probably nothing. Taiwan isn't worth going to war against China. It would devistate our economy too much.

I can imagine we would move a strike force of like 2 carriers + tons of marines to the region, but I doubt they would actually try to stop China if China decided to invade. They would just act as a deterrent.

Probably nothing. Taiwan isn't worth going to war against China. It would devistate our economy too much.

Wasdie

You gotta take a stand somewhere. Unless you don't mind China taking over the pacific.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Probably nothing. Taiwan isn't worth going to war against China. It would devistate our economy too much.

Storm_Marine

You gotta take a stand somewhere. Unless you don't mind China taking over the pacific.

They won't control the entire Pacific. Maybe the Southeast Pacific around Asia, that's about it.

They have one aircraft carrier built by Russia and served time under 2 other Eastern European nations before China even picked it up. It has no flight deck and is horribly out of date in every single possible way. Their modern warships are also extremely under powered compared to any competent western navy.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Probably nothing. Taiwan isn't worth going to war against China. It would devistate our economy too much.

Wasdie

You gotta take a stand somewhere. Unless you don't mind China taking over the pacific.

They won't control the entire Pacific. Maybe the Southeast Pacific around Asia, that's about it.

They have one aircraft carrier built by Russia and served time under 2 other Eastern European nations before China even picked it up. It has no flight deck and is horribly out of date in every single possible way. Their modern warships are also extremely under powered compared to any competent western navy.

Give them 20 years.

The US needs to get a plan together before then. And it needs to be very clear to China about it.

Hold on. Is China actually considering invading Taiwan or this scenario completely hypothetical?thebest31406

When China becomes the world's largest economy and builds a correspondingly huge fleet, this will not be an option, and Taiwan may go for a nuclear reponse instead.

Barbariser

It looks like the PROC is on their way with the launching of its first aircraft carrier. Although it's an ex-Kuznetsov class, it can be used for evaluation purposes. That experience can then be used for future designs.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Hold on. Is China actually considering invading Taiwan or this scenario completely hypothetical?nocoolnamejim

You do know that's also Taiwan's (ROC) position as well right? There is just dispute over who is the real China. As the for the question, US is only obligated to defend if mainland China unilaterally attacks (which would be against their own interst). If Taiwan declares independence or acquires nuclear weapons, the US is not compelled to defend.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="thebest31406"]Hold on. Is China actually considering invading Taiwan or this scenario completely hypothetical?TheWalrusBeast

You do know that's also Taiwan's (ROC) position as well right? There is just dispute over who is the real China. As the for the question, US is only obligated to defend if mainland China unilaterally attacks (which would be against their own interst). If Taiwan declares independence or acquires nuclear weapons, the US is not compelled to defend.

attack north korea

Here's an idea. If recent history (And by that I mean the past ten years) has thought us anything, and that is a big IF, the answer is nothing.

China considers Taiwan as a part of its territory. Should we also intervene if China invades Tibet?

Here's an idea. If recent history (And by that I mean the past ten years) has thought us anything, and that is a big IF, the answer is nothing.

China considers Taiwan as a part of its territory. Should we also intervene if China invades Tibet?

outworld222

Yes.

Should people just be able to declare what they wish their own and take it over, overthrowing governments in their wake now?

Taiwan has rights... There was a civil war, the fighting ended, NO PEACE TREATY OR ARMISTICE was agreed upon. Technically China is still at war with ROC, despite the ROC declaring the war over and their independence.

And a defensive determent/engagement on behalf of an ally is hardly equivalent to a decade long military occupation and guerilla war... Especially given the fact that our fleet is already there, already using those resources by merely being there... It would be just like Libya if even that, a few spent weapon systems totaling a few million dollars.

China wants war with us even less than we want war with them and shooting will probably never happen regardless, thus they won't press us on it.

denounce china and nothing more

wis3boi

I think the U.S. needs to make it clear that it will defend Taiwan under all circumstances, because it would make a military takeover completely impossible for China. The reason for this is that no other country would take China's side over the issue (especially not in any material way), and thus it would be China vs. the U.S. and its regional allies. This would be strongly in the interests of the U.S. because Taiwan is a friendly democracy and is in an extremely important geographic location economically. It would be a tragedy to see such a country overtaken by an authoritarian government.

since most americans seem to be anti-war and anti-intervention these days, I would like to know if americans still support taiwan.Lonelynight

Do nothing. It frustrates me when countries get involved with other peoples problems. Leave them to fight it out rather than risk more lives.

Is there any part of Asia that China doesn't think belongs to them? If China is itching to take someplace over, why not go after N. Korea?

Nothing. The world hates us enough already. It's not our affair.

They're our allies and it would be weekness on our part not to help them. We're the only thing keeping China from taking Taiwan, they couldn't hold their own.

The US already has plans in place for such a scenario

We need to go back to being isolationists.

Nothing. Why is that our problem?LJS9502_basic

You honestly can't see why it is from a geopolitical standpoint? Could you even locate Taiwan on a map?

since most americans seem to be anti-war and anti-intervention these days, I would like to know if americans still support taiwan.Lonelynight

i'm more concern abt the cute girl on ur .gif. whose she?

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

You gotta take a stand somewhere. Unless you don't mind China taking over the pacific.

Storm_Marine

They won't control the entire Pacific. Maybe the Southeast Pacific around Asia, that's about it.

They have one aircraft carrier built by Russia and served time under 2 other Eastern European nations before China even picked it up. It has no flight deck and is horribly out of date in every single possible way. Their modern warships are also extremely under powered compared to any competent western navy.

Give them 20 years.

The US needs to get a plan together before then. And it needs to be very clear to China about it.

Just remember that the rest of the world might not be particularly interested american supremacy. I have the impression that your people are very occupied with potential military threats, that goes both ways.

On topic:

I expect the US can and will do rather little. You were never really the world police, and I personally doubt you were ever fit for such a role.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They won't control the entire Pacific. Maybe the Southeast Pacific around Asia, that's about it.

They have one aircraft carrier built by Russia and served time under 2 other Eastern European nations before China even picked it up. It has no flight deck and is horribly out of date in every single possible way. Their modern warships are also extremely under powered compared to any competent western navy.

MlauTheDaft

Give them 20 years.

The US needs to get a plan together before then. And it needs to be very clear to China about it.

Just remember that the rest of the world might not be particularly interested american supremacy. I have the impression that your people are very occupied with potential military threats, that goes both ways.

On topic:

I expect the US can and will do rather little. You were never really the world police, and I personally doubt you were ever fit for such a role.

It's not about American supremency, or 'my people' it's about maintaining a good balance of power in the pacific.

I wouldn't be opposed to intervention. -Sun_Tzu-

This. Although it should absolutely not be a unilateral action.

If China (or any other country) invades another, the rest of the world needs to stand up to them and say this is not acceptable. We can't allow situations like Iraq where there's an invasion and all the other countries just stand around and shrug their shoulders and let it happen.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I wouldn't be opposed to intervention. Audacitron

This. Although it should absolutely not be a unilateral action.

If China (or any other country) invades another, the rest of the world needs to stand up to them and say this is not acceptable. We can't allow situations like Iraq where there's an invasion and all the other countries just stand around and shrug their shoulders and let it happen.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Give them 20 years.

The US needs to get a plan together before then. And it needs to be very clear to China about it.

Storm_Marine

Just remember that the rest of the world might not be particularly interested american supremacy. I have the impression that your people are very occupied with potential military threats, that goes both ways.

On topic:

I expect the US can and will do rather little. You were never really the world police, and I personally doubt you were ever fit for such a role.

It's not about American supremency, or 'my people' it's about maintaining a good balance of power in the pacific.

That's pretty much my point. The rest of the world does not necessarily share the US' view on power balance.

Personally, I'm worried about your political lack of secularity and your (from an outsider's pov) affection for capitalism/extreme liberalism.

Furthermore, I'm disturbed by the fact that sexual preference, the right to abortion and religeous persuasion are serious issues.

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I AM aware that I'm not in a position to accurately judge.

I just get the impression that OT thinks US has everyone on it's side, apart from terrorrists, Russia and China ;)

Edit:

The broad generalization of "terrorrists" was purposeful.

Watch...the US will do nothing and then get criticized for not helping poor Taiwan.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

Just remember that the rest of the world might not be particularly interested american supremacy. I have the impression that your people are very occupied with potential military threats, that goes both ways.

On topic:

I expect the US can and will do rather little. You were never really the world police, and I personally doubt you were ever fit for such a role.

MlauTheDaft

It's not about American supremency, or 'my people' it's about maintaining a good balance of power in the pacific.

That's pretty much my point. The rest of the world does not necessarily share the US' view on power balance.

Personally, I'm worried about your political lack of secularity and your (from an outsider's pov) affection for capitalism/extreme liberalism.

Furthermore, I'm disturbed by the fact that sexual preference, the right to abortion and religeous persuasion are serious issues.

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I AM aware that I'm not in a position to accurately judge.

I just get the impression that OT thinks US has everyone on it's side, apart from terrorrists, Russia and China ;)

Edit:

The broad generalization of "terrorrists" was purposeful.

I have no idea what you're talking about now. I thought we were talking about the geopolitics surrounded Taiwan.

Ideally you'd position American forces so that China couldn't invade Taiwan with risking a larger conflict. If a war did break out, the United States would have to just let it happen.