What would you do if the police came to take away your guns?

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#101 btaylor2404
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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]Well it's not going to happen but if it did I don't own any so I wouldn't be effected.Zentrenius

Trust me, you wouldn't be affected by the ban itself, but you'd definately feel the results.

Again, this will not happen anytime soon in the US. We are wayyy to in love with our guns.

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#102 DivergeUnify
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Take it to the Supreme Court.
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#103 MilkMaster69
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[QUOTE="MilkMaster69"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="MilkMaster69"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"][QUOTE="MilkMaster69"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"][QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"][QUOTE="MilkMaster69"][QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"]

[QUOTE="MilkMaster69"]Why does America still seem like the wild, wild West?! Is it because they still cling to a social and political stigmata that should long ago have been buried, or is it because of governmental mismanagement inducing a deep-rooted sense of distrust, or is it some other thing?mrbojangles25

Think of it this way. You know how there are "checks and balances" in the United States government? Think of the 2nd Amendment of the final "check and balance" of the government. When a government goes way beyond its power and loses its ability to be controled, the people can still stand for their rights. Take for example Nazi Germany. Given that Hitler didn't steal everyone's firearms, you can bet Hitler would have never expanded. He never even attempted to invade Switzerland, where everyone owns a firearm. Gun control laws have failed in almost every situation they've been enacted.

"When you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have the guns."

It almost seems like you fear your own government and what they will do (bojangles included)- is that any way to live?

Maybe you need to think about moving to a saner country in that case.

Quite frankly, yes, I do fear my government. I'd rather be the guy on his toes at all times, rather than a citizen following his government like a sheep. Will I move? No, because it could happen to any country, and I feel safe enough in my country; but that doesn't mean I should trust my government.

"When one gets in bed with government, one mustexpect the diseases it spreads."

Damn straight. Except I would refer to it as caution. I think fear would step in as soon as we realize "Oh damn, we can't lawfully defend ourselves anymore!"

I agree, "fear" is a bit excessive. I dont look at a cop and say "if the government took away our guns, he would be the enemy".

But caution is definately how I view the government. I hear about tax cuts and instead of going "oh joy!" like everyone else, I think "crap, there goes the education system again".

If the paper read "guns banned in America" I wouldnt think "oh joy, gun crime is going to decrease" like my mostly-liberal mind should, but instead I would think "what is my government's motivation behind this?"

I mean, honestly, do you really think the government would impose the banning of guns simply for the good of its people?

Hmmm, "for the good of it's people"- why is that so hard to imagine for you?

I've never done this before, so please witness the monumental event of me, Zen, finally breaking down and doing it:

/FACEPALM

The /facepalm is a pop-culture fad, much like Libertarianism and the legacy of Ron Paul, but tell me, why is this so hard to imagine for YOU?

Its not hard to imagine. Ive read Utopia and I can be pretty creative; I can easily visualize a world where nobody kills eachother, and foie gras, truffles, and Chimay ale costs only pennies.

What is hard to imagine is making that a reality. And do you know why? Because my dream world is different from everyone else's, and I acknowledge that fact by making compromises.

Like I said earlier; you are living in the ideal world. You are a romantic, you think of the ways things should be and you get upset with the way things are. I dont mean that in a bad way; being a romantic is a good thing as often as its a bad thing.

But you have to learn that you do, in fact, live in the real world and you cant get bitter with the people that remind you of that.

So, by all means, have your dreams and ideals. Campaign to get them instated for all I care; if youre good enough, you just might convince me. But lighten up and dont try to make others as miserable with their existance as you appear to be.

I just find it hard to understand how you could be so dystopian. Life in the rest of the world, or the political climate where Westerners are concerned just isn't as dire as you seem to want to make it out to be. Granted the scourge of terrorism is a very real threat for everyone, but no more than it always has been. I guess it took a major act of terrorism on American soil to bring you to where you are today.

Ive travelled to:

Japan
Vietnam
France
England
Germany
Switzerland
Austria
Spain
...and a lot of other places.

And I can say, without a doubt, that I prefer the US. Now, I will be honest, I say this mostly because I have been raised here, but there are also a few occasions I can recall to refresh my memory. For instance:

1. In Japan I went to visit my sister, who taught English there, at her school one day and repeatedly saw female coworkers groped by men, in full view, and nothing was done. After some research, I find that not only is this common, but nothing is done about it

2. In Tokyo I saw a salaryman, in the middle of rushhour, come outside and take a piss in the middle of the sidewalk. Nothing was done; yet I am proud of that fact that had this been done in the US the guy would have been called on it, either by the authorities or by a regular joe such as myself.

3. In Kyoto we visited a friend and saw her apartement. Compared to, say, my home of San Francisco, the apartments in Kyoto are hovels. And I have seen some crappy SF apartements.

4. In England it seems they dont even try to call it a "random" search; during my layover at Heathrow, I saw 30 muslim-looking people get pulled aside.

5. I was able to take my backpack and my suitcase as carryon for my flight from San Jose to London. But from London to Barcelona I had to go out of my way two hours to check my suitcase due to terrorism fears.

6. I am a large guy (both vertically and from a weight standpoint) so I have grown up my whole life getting the occasional glance or glare as people think "woh, there is a big guy!" but Ive never felt more ashamed of who I was (Ive lost weight, hence the "was") physically than during my travels in Europe.

And, in general, I just prefer the American life****to the European one. Their cities stink, there are too many people, and they dont have a lot of open areas. I can drive for hours in the US and see nothing but pristine countryside. In Europe, you can maybe drive for 20 minutes in scenic France before stumbling across another city.

I am not saying Europe is worse t han the US, I am saying its just different and I find those differences distasteful. I like being able to go deer hunting, grill up some vension, and consume GMO corn seasoned with irradiated pepper all in one day. In Europe, I can do none of that.

I'm glad (not) that you appreciate your genetically-modified foods (may you grow a third ear someday), and I am sorry that you had bad airport experiences and apparently hate Japan (touchy statements on a site that ignorantly worships *** pop-culture by it's users).

Without seeming defiant, and though I totally discredit all your foreign travel experiences as not being truly internationally representative of anything, why is it that I spent 15 years living in beautiful European countries, but on my first visit to Boston I found it drab and totally devoid of any kind of "charm" whatsoever? So Fanuel Hall was remotely rustic, but the whole atmosphere was drab and just lacklustre...

Scottish farmed venison is good meat/eats, but does killing it yourself somehow make you more civilized? or does it just reinforce your primeaval instincts?

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#104 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]Well it's not going to happen but if it did I don't own any so I wouldn't be effected.btaylor2404

Trust me, you wouldn't be affected by the ban itself, but you'd definately feel the results.

Again, this will not happen anytime soon in the US. We are wayyy to in love with our guns.

i know, but its fun to debate about it theoretically

PS Dexter is the greatest show in the history of humankind

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#105 btaylor2404
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You Mr Bojangles once again show your insight and taste. Yes Dexter is. To me this debate is pointless. It's just not going to happen in the US.
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#106 mrbojangles25
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dammit Taylor, you killed the debate by reminding us what a stupid thing it is to argue over!

or maybe everyone is asleep now (school does start soon after all!).

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#107 MilkMaster69
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As usual the debate turns to asinine satire, yet no one seems capable of incorporating that quality into the actual debate...
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#108 ciaxhieu
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i would tell them hellz no you cant take what i dont have
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#109 mrbojangles25
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As usual the debate turns to asinine satire, yet no one seems capable of incorporating that quality into the actual debate...MilkMaster69

dude, it was a satire of sorts to begin with.

and it wasnt asinine, a lot of good perspective came from it.

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#110 MgamerBD
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Nothing i would either be shot or arrested it happens all the time where i live.
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#111 MilkMaster69
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[QUOTE="MilkMaster69"]As usual the debate turns to asinine satire, yet no one seems capable of incorporating that quality into the actual debate...mrbojangles25

dude, it was a satire of sorts to begin with.

and it wasnt asinine, a lot of good perspective came from it.

Fair enough, but I still wish more on here were intellectually-endowed enough to incorporate their sick sense of humor (as I have) into the actual argument in a more effective and humorous manner, but yeah, it was a good laugh and source of entertainment nonetheless, and that is what OT is all about at the end of the day.

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#112 Zentrenius
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[QUOTE="MilkMaster69"]As usual the debate turns to asinine satire, yet no one seems capable of incorporating that quality into the actual debate...mrbojangles25

dude, it was a satire of sorts to begin with.

and it wasnt asinine, a lot of good perspective came from it.

Basically. And always bear in mind that nothing in this universe is impossible; it is only probability and will that determines what happens.

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#113 010dragonslayer
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When they showed me their guns, I would, with great enthusiasm, show them mine.
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#114 omfg_its_dally
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If I had guns I'd give them to the police. I'd probably end up shooting my balls off if I ever tried to use one.
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#115 rb2610
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Very few people in England have guns and I'm not one of them, so no problem for me.
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#116 Jay_Willa
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I would be dayum scared because guns are very sensibly illigal in the UK.

(i dont have any guns)

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#117 HJrAS_PT
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I believe in the philosophy of liberty

No matter who comes to take away MY property, even if its dressed with nice uniforms and badges, is a thief who is trying to steal from me. I have the right to defend myself, although one can only guess what he'll do until such moment arrives.

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#118 SimpJee
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I'd be like, wtf where did those guns come from? :question:
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#119 tofu-lion91
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I don't own any guns :|
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#120 SimpJee
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I don't own any guns :|tofu-lion91

What's that I see in your pocket then :|

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#121 Theokhoth
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I really wouldn't care, so I'd hand over the guns. Guns should be more restricted anyway. Gun restriction is extremely strict in Japan (no guns or swords allowed) and they have extremely low gun crime rates (virtually non-existent).
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[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"]I don't own any guns :|SimpJee

What's that I see in your pocket then :|

It's my...um... :oops: quick look over there! It's the pope! *runs away*

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#123 freshgman
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I wouldnt give em away without a fight
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#124 wizard90
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I wouldnt give em away without a fightfreshgman

Im sure youd loose that fight

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#125 ShadowofTulkas
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I don't have any, nor do I need any.
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#126 IceFireCloud
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I would give them the guys because i dont really use them!
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#127 MagnumPI
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They better have warrant or (A) warrant for search & seizure of firearms. If they don't have warrant or (A) warrant they aren't coming in. They will have to go through me first. If they want my guns they better reimburse me. By U.S Federal Laws only POST-ban paraphernalia can be siezed. Pre-ban is protected.

I would be pissed if the police took my guns, because I know what they do with them. The guns are pawned to a gun dealer so the city or whatever gets some money for them then the gun dealer sells them back to the officers for rock bottom prices. Or they just destroy whatever they can't pawn off or sell.

So I would just hire a private lawyer for a settlement. Enough to cover the cost of my property. The property that they gave me permission to purchase. A settlement that's generous enough to cover all of the extended legal fees as well as personal fees.

Plus the fact that they would be violating the second amendment would be on my side.

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#128 North-North
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This would never happen, it is only a dream for a liberals socialist agenda.
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#129 cosmostein77
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It would never happen,

Your right to bare arms is protected.

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#130 SolidSnake35
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This would never happen, it is only a dream for a liberals socialist agenda.North-North
A dream for those against violence.
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#131 kingyotoX
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If you voted to give them your guns GTFO of America. This is the land of the free love it or leave it...
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#132 kingyotoX
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[QUOTE="North-North"]This would never happen, it is only a dream for a liberals socialist agenda.SolidSnake35
A dream for those against violence.

erm no he had it right the first time...

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#133 kingyotoX
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[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightwizard90

Im sure youd loose that fight

I disagree I have better guns then the police...

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#135 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightkingyotoX

Im sure youd loose that fight

I disagree I have better guns then the police...

It's too bad that they outnumber you.
erm no he had it right the first time... kingyotoX
If by "liberal socialist agenda", he meant what I said, then yes.
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#136 jackpotco
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I have airsoft guns!! If that counts, i'd shoot them!! yeah and theyd all diee!!! Mouhahahaha
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#137 hoola
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I would hide them which isn't an option on your poll.
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I'd probably kick myself for not knowing I had guns. Then try to argue the "what if zombies attack" approach. Then I'd realise that I have no idea how to use a gun and that I'm actually s*** terrified of the damn things then give them up. Then I'd probably feel hungry and eat some noodles.
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#139 Theokhoth
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If you voted to give them your guns GTFO of America. This is the land of the free love it or leave it...kingyotoX

The land of the free, and the home of outdated rights that were originally instated to protect from revolutionaries. The right to bear arms is a waste of time that only gets people killed. It is illegal to carry guns or swords in Japan and there's barely any gun crime there at all, which contradicts the myth that banning guns opens the flood gates for the black market and gives us more armed criminals. Many countries around the world, particularly in the UK, have followed Japan's example (though gun restrictions aren't as strict in some places). Only in America can we walk into a store with a license that might as well come from a cereal box and buy a fully loaded, state of the art firearm. Why would we need it? Legally, to hunt deer (in certain areas) or shoot aluminum cans. The "because the government could turn on the people" scenario is just as likely as a zombie outbreak, and guns would be just as useful. If the government turns on us, for whatever reason, we're screwed whether we have guns or not. There is no good reason to not put in strict restrictions on the right to bear arms or even not to abolish it completely, and I consider myself a Conservative.

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[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightwizard90

Im sure youd loose that fight

A bunch of cops with 9mms arent really a match for my P90 or AR15.

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[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]If you voted to give them your guns GTFO of America. This is the land of the free love it or leave it...Theokhoth

The land of the free, and the home of outdated rights that were originally instated to protect from revolutionaries. The right to bear arms is a waste of time that only gets people killed. It is illegal to carry guns or swords in Japan and there's barely any gun crime there at all, which contradicts the myth that banning guns opens the flood gates for the black market and gives us more armed criminals. Many countries around the world, particularly in the UK, have followed Japan's example (though gun restrictions aren't as strict in some places). Only in America can we walk into a store with a license that might as well come from a cereal box and buy a fully loaded, state of the art firearm. Why would we need it? Legally, to hunt deer (in certain areas) or shoot aluminum cans. The "because the government could turn on the people" scenario is just as likely as a zombie outbreak, and guns would be just as useful. If the government turns on us, for whatever reason, we're screwed whether we have guns or not. There is no good reason to not put in strict restrictions on the right to bear arms or even not to abolish it completely, and I consider myself a Conservative.

Give one good reason why good citizens owning a firearm is bad. I own 8 pistols, a assault rifle, and a SMG, yet nothing bad has come out of it. Better to be safe than sorry.

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#142 maccer101
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give 'em away, buy bigger guns
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#143 Theokhoth
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Give one good reason why good citizens owning a firearm is bad.

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#144 kingdre
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I doubt they're gonna be interested in pellet guns and super soakers. :P
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#145 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightSylentButDeadly

Im sure youd loose that fight

A bunch of cops with 9mms arent really a match for my P90 or AR15.

Sorry, but that is an incredibly stupid comment. You think you're safe from gunfire because you have a bigger gun?

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#146 Suddenstriker52
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I would say "WTF since when did I own a gun"
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#147 SylentButDeadly
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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightAirGuitarist87

Im sure youd loose that fight

A bunch of cops with 9mms arent really a match for my P90 or AR15.

Sorry, but that is an incredibly stupid comment. You think you're safe from gunfire because you have a bigger gun?

Im planning on having more distance and better cover. My front yard is about a 120 yards long and my stone house will provide plenty of cover. My AR will hold them at bay.

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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]I wouldnt give em away without a fightSylentButDeadly

Im sure youd loose that fight

A bunch of cops with 9mms arent really a match for my P90 or AR15.

Sorry, but that is an incredibly stupid comment. You think you're safe from gunfire because you have a bigger gun?

Im planning on having more distance and better cover. My front yard is about a 120 yards long and my stone house will provide plenty of cover. My AR will hold them at bay.

Kids, this is what happends to you when you play videogames too much .

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#149 Theokhoth
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Im planning on having more distance and better cover. My front yard is about a 120 yards long and my stone house will provide plenty of cover. My AR will hold them at bay.

SylentButDeadly

Good luck with that.

I'm sure you can take twenty of these guys.

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#150 jackpotco
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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]

Im planning on having more distance and better cover. My front yard is about a 120 yards long and my stone house will provide plenty of cover. My AR will hold them at bay.

Theokhoth

Good luck with that.

I'm sure you can take twenty of these guys.

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