Id accept god as real but that doesnt make him a good person, i guess id ask him why he wants worshipers and why he decieed to blackmail people to get into heavon
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
BumFluff122
Same reason an all loving mother tells their children not to ride skateboards. :)
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
BumFluff122
I do not think you know you're going to burn when you're a baby.
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
Vandalvideo
Same reason an all loving mother tells their children not to ride skateboards. :)A mother allows it's child to ride a skateboard to learn from their mistakes so that the child will be more aware to not do it in the future. Please explain to me how a soup that will burn for eternity in hell is learning from it's mistakes in this fashion.
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
Silverbond
I do not think you know you're going to burn when you're a baby.
]A mother allows it's child to ride a skateboard to learn from their mistakes so that the child will be more aware to not do it in the future. Please explain to me how a soup that will burn for eternity in hell is learning from it's mistakes in this fashion.BumFluff122
Your hypothetical mother is a horrible parent. As a loving parent, I would take all precautions possible to inform my progeny that what they're doing is bad for them.
I'd probably become really confused as to why an all powerful supremely good omnipotent beiong would allow people to be born with the knowledge their souls would be forever tortured in hell.
BumFluff122
I do not think you know you're going to burn when you're a baby.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] ]A mother allows it's child to ride a skateboard to learn from their mistakes so that the child will be more aware to not do it in the future. Please explain to me how a soup that will burn for eternity in hell is learning from it's mistakes in this fashion.Vandalvideo
Your hypothetical mother is a horrible parent. As a loving parent, I would take all precautions possible to inform my progeny that what they're doing is bad for them.God is said to be all powerful and all knowledgable. How is he taking all precautions to ensure his children do not commit the sins that will lead them to be tortured for eternity? He already knows which children are going to hell. Why does he not try and save them himself rather than allowing his other children to try on the basis of pure belief and not fact? He sure is doing a horrible job of parenting if he is real.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] ]A mother allows it's child to ride a skateboard to learn from their mistakes so that the child will be more aware to not do it in the future. Please explain to me how a soup that will burn for eternity in hell is learning from it's mistakes in this fashion.Vandalvideo
Your hypothetical mother is a horrible parent. As a loving parent, I would take all precautions possible to inform my progeny that what they're doing is bad for them.
So what you've never done something that your mother said you shouldn't. If god truely exists then he doesnt understand people very well.
]God is said to be all powerful and all knowledgable. How is he taking all precautions to ensure his children do not commit the sins that will lead them to be tortured for eternity? He already knows which children are going to hell. Why does he not try and save them himself rather than allowing his other children to try on the basis of pure belief and not fact? He sure is doing a horrible job of parenting if he is real.BumFluff122
He is all benevolent, and I don't see supreme benevolence as wanting harm to come to your creation. Knowledge of the consequences ahead of time can help to prohibit the actions which you want not to happen. He is doing all reasonable things without subverting their free will. Besides, merely knowing what is going to happen doesn't mean that it is determined.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]]God is said to be all powerful and all knowledgable. How is he taking all precautions to ensure his children do not commit the sins that will lead them to be tortured for eternity? He already knows which children are going to hell. Why does he not try and save them himself rather than allowing his other children to try on the basis of pure belief and not fact? He sure is doing a horrible job of parenting if he is real.Vandalvideo
He is all benevolent, and I don't see supreme benevolence as wanting harm to come to your creation. Knowledge of the consequences ahead of time can help to prohibit the actions which you want not to happen. He is doing all reasonable things without subverting their free will. Besides, merely knowing what is going to happen doesn't mean that it is determined.
Well he could come down and actually tell us non-believers that we should take note.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]]God is said to be all powerful and all knowledgable. How is he taking all precautions to ensure his children do not commit the sins that will lead them to be tortured for eternity? He already knows which children are going to hell. Why does he not try and save them himself rather than allowing his other children to try on the basis of pure belief and not fact? He sure is doing a horrible job of parenting if he is real.Vandalvideo
He is all benevolent, and I don't see supreme benevolence as wanting harm to come to your creation. Knowledge of the consequences ahead of time can help to prohibit the actions which you want not to happen. He is doing all reasonable things without subverting their free will. Besides, merely knowing what is going to happen doesn't mean that it is determined.If God is all benevolent he wouldn't have ordered the death of so many non believers in the bible. If you are talking about another God which one?
If God is all benevolent he wouldn't have ordered the death of so many non believers in the bible. If you are talking about another God which one?BumFluff122
Perhaps such deaths were acts of benevolence, delivering them from porportionally greater pain. That is something we cannot say for sure.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]If God is all benevolent he wouldn't have ordered the death of so many non believers in the bible. If you are talking about another God which one?Vandalvideo
Perhaps such deaths were acts of benevolence, delivering them from porportionally greater pain. That is something we cannot say for sure. And what proportionatly greater pain is there than being tortured by Satan and his minions with the knowledge you will never get otu or be released and will be going through the torture for the entire rest of your eternal existence?
Yup, Id rather side with him instead of the guy who tortured one of his devout believers just to prove a point.
Ingenemployee
That devout believer was a trouble maker. A rebellious angel. Didn't bow before God. Led people away from God. That's who you're following?
Im talking about Job
You're talking about Job? Well, you should know it was Satan that tortured Job. And in the end, Job's fine. Restored to health, has more kids, and has double the riches he had before.
And what proportionatly greater pain is there than being tortured by Satan and his minions with the knowledge you will never get otu or be released and will be going through the torture for the entire rest of your eternal existenceBumFluff122
I don't know, do I look like god to you? It isn't like I know of all the possible universal outcomes of a person living or dieing, the porpotional ammount of pain a person may feel, or how god might maximize happiness. God knows all this, so its conceivable what he is doing is maximizing happiness.
That devout believer was a trouble maker. A rebellious angel. Didn't bow before God. Led people away from God. That's who you're following?
Silverbond
Im talking about Job
You're talking about Job? Well, you should know it was Satan that tortured Job. And in the end, Job's fine. Restored to health, has more kids, and has double the riches he had before.
If they, the Christians, proved that God was real, there would still be people objecting. However, I think I would probably become a Christian. Although im not entirely sure.
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