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Praying gives you hope, and in that, strength. Hell is far worse than Earth and many people who like not believing in God will someday know that.
[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]That's your opinion, mayne.ShadowsDemonSure, it's my opinion about what people have been observed discussing about their outlooks on life. If someone else disagrees, then it is an opinion. Simple as that. It's not science or math.
No it's not. You can't say "In my opinion he thinks this" that doesn't make any sense.
It's not a matter of opinions it's observation.
[QUOTE="lx_theo"]And I never disputed any of those uncontested facts. I contested the fact that you know nothing of their motivations of people who can act in any way they which to be perceived. You acted as you knew one way or the other. Facts are that no one really has any idea if even Jesus wasn't just a conman who went all in. All I'm saying is that the rambling you inserted into this conversation (anything having to do with killing and reasons for being founded) are silly and largely based on nothing. PhilokaliaTheir motivations are evidenced by their actions and the teachings we have from them. That is they made a claim that was entirely at time of the world unreasonable or unpopular for most to believe. JEws and Pagans for the most part totally rejected their central that Christ had risen from the dead. And it cannot said that this was a lie on their part because of that. If they wanted to lie thye could have made a better story. Really, they could have made something that was already widely accepted instead of something which challanged the ancient preconcevied notions of ressurection. But your assertion must also take into account the founding, that the morality of Christianity was never meant to kill people. You said it near universally and no it is not the only reason why people buy into an objective reality. I severely doubt that trying to take advantage of established ideas opens many avenues for advancement (because the people already have a place to get the same thing). Look at anything remotely like it nowadays. Look at stuff scientology or cults. Whether they are right or not, you rarely see any actual place where the founders get a lot of perks and such where they are just leeching off already accepted ideas when starting a new religion or something. And no, my assertion doesn't have to have anything to do with the founding. If the religion was found without corruption, then fine by them. It doesn't stop the only appealing thing about an objective morality (yes, only appealing thing) to be the reason many Christians actually followed them (past and present) in said idea. I can't think of another remotely viable way that thinking your morality is unquestionably right that appeals enough to people enough to buy into it other than it makes you feel better and superior to others. Deal with it
If someone else disagrees, then it is an opinion. Simple as that. It's not science or math.[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Sure, it's my opinion about what people have been observed discussing about their outlooks on life.toast_burner
No it's not. You can't say "In my opinion he thinks this" that doesn't make any sense.
It's not a matter of opinions it's observation.
It's times like this that I like to say "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
It gives people a sense of security and well being and comfort even within a negative situation and it provides hope. Whether that is just false hope or not remains to be seen and most probably will never be answered. I think sometimes it's better to be a nice and naive follower than a cynical, bitter Atheist. I'm generalizing of course and I suppose I fall under the agnostic/Don't care middle ground movement.
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you. Only God can judge your soul, so it is not up to me to say where you will go in the after life. But I do believe atheists and agnostics will be in the resurrection.
It hard to thank someone when you don't know who to thank.God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you. Only God can judge your soul, so it is not up to me to say where you will go in the after life. But I do believe atheists and agnostics will be in the resurrection.
ShadowMoses900
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you.
ShadowMoses900
thank you God, for all the: rapist, paedophiles, serial murderers, drug dealers, gangsters and mafiosos etc.
that plague, HIV, cancer, lupus, the flu, lou gehrig's disease, the ebola virus, etc.
and those earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires and other destructive forces of nature.
thank you for giving us the best of all possible worlds, I'm pretty sure you racked your brain pretty hard in designing this damnable existence.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you.
SirWander
thank you God, for all the: rapist, paedophiles, serial murderers, drug dealers, gangsters and mafiosos etc.
that plague, HIV, cancer, lupus, the flu, lou gehrig's disease, the ebola virus, etc.
and those earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires and other destructive forces of nature.
thank you for giving us the best of all possible worlds, I'm pretty sure you racked your brain pretty hard in designing this damnable existence.
We live in a broken world, it is hard. However because of God he gives us the strength to survive it and the free will to choose to be a good person. Many problems are a result of humans choosing to do bad and the results that come from it.
[QUOTE="SirWander"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you.
ShadowMoses900
thank you God, for all the: rapist, paedophiles, serial murderers, drug dealers, gangsters and mafiosos etc.
that plague, HIV, cancer, lupus, the flu, lou gehrig's disease, the ebola virus, etc.
and those earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires and other destructive forces of nature.
thank you for giving us the best of all possible worlds, I'm pretty sure you racked your brain pretty hard in designing this damnable existence.
We live in a broken world, it is hard. However because of God he gives us the strength to survive it and the free will to choose to be a good person. Many problems are a result of humans choosing to do bad and the results that come from it.
With that idea in mind, I would say his point still stands.We live in a broken world, it is hard. However because of God he gives us the strength to survive it and the free will to choose to be a good person. Many problems are a result of humans choosing to do bad and the results that come from it.
ShadowMoses900
If believing so helps you to live with yourself, then by all means I do not object.
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you.ShadowMoses900I'd rather thank my parents, teachers and friends for giving me life and purpose. Not some invisible sky wizard that demands animal sacrifices because he enjoys the smell of burning flesh.
I'd rather thank my parents, teachers and friends for giving me life and purpose. Not some invisible sky wizard that demands animal sacrifices because he enjoys the smell of burning flesh.ZevianderThis, and besides if this God loves everyone then why is there a hell in the first place? It makes no sense to me.
[QUOTE="SirWander"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
God gives us life, He gives our lives meaning and purpose. If you do not worship God you are choosing to not thank Him for what he has given you.
ShadowMoses900
thank you God, for all the: rapist, paedophiles, serial murderers, drug dealers, gangsters and mafiosos etc.
that plague, HIV, cancer, lupus, the flu, lou gehrig's disease, the ebola virus, etc.
and those earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires and other destructive forces of nature.
thank you for giving us the best of all possible worlds, I'm pretty sure you racked your brain pretty hard in designing this damnable existence.
We live in a broken world, it is hard. However because of God he gives us the strength to survive it and the free will to choose to be a good person. Many problems are a result of humans choosing to do bad and the results that come from it.
Answer me this: Is your God Omnipotent and Omniscient?
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] If someone else disagrees, then it is an opinion. Simple as that. It's not science or math.wis3boi
No it's not. You can't say "In my opinion he thinks this" that doesn't make any sense.
It's not a matter of opinions it's observation.
It's times like this that I like to say "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
And just how is it a fact? I fail to see how.I studied with them for a long time. They're good people, and I like what I'm learning from them...I remember studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and they told me that Satan is the ruler of this world and Earth is as close to Hell as you can possibly get (pretty much is Hell). This makes sense to me since so many evil people are in power.
JLCrogue
[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]
No it's not. You can't say "In my opinion he thinks this" that doesn't make any sense.
It's not a matter of opinions it's observation.
ShadowsDemon
It's times like this that I like to say "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
And just how is it a fact? I fail to see how.You are aware that there are more than just facts and opinions?[QUOTE="Brosephus_Rex"]
I am not sure that I agree with any of the red statements w/o further elaboration - which happens to be everything that you think is my position. I do not oppose killing under all circumstances. I am not entirely certain that I am convinced that God himself necessarily killed anyone a la Sodom et Gomorrah (as I am also not convinced that the entire Israeli population was enslaved by Egyptians, for instance). I do not believe that God is immoral.
Your move.
Philokalia
Then lets suppose the bible is right, that God at certain times has killed a number of People, what is wrong with God doing so?
Provided they were, you know, murders that would make him bad by his own standards and cause a number of problems WRT divine moral authority and fvck over any notion of objective morality and such.
And just how is it a fact? I fail to see how.You are aware that there are more than just facts and opinions? I am, and this ain't part of it. You can either agree, or disagree. That's all there is it to it.[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
It's times like this that I like to say "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
toast_burner
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