true, i think the government has a big say in all of this. my government talks alot lately about "problem-youth" kids who grew up with one or no parents, with no education maybe, or being brought up in a bad neighbourhood. I think thats a lot of bull, when i look in the philippines, more then half of the youth grow up with one or no parents, hardly any education maybe just elementary, having seen a dead body before the age of 10, being around drugs, and basically being VERY poor with a carton box above their head for a house. And the majority of those kids grow up smiling and eagerly pushing themselves to go to school and graduate and help their family. The "problem-youth" here have all those priveleges, but decline by saying theyre troublesome and have hard and difficult lives in order. Those are just stupid excuses and make ma lable them "lazy-youth" rather then problem-youth. Also ur point of an overall high respect for elders authority values etc. is what mostly lack in rich civilized countries, also a big factor in kids and people today being less compassionate towards themselves and others
When i grew up i wud hardly ever see a little kid talk back to his parents. Now on the other hand its like parents have less control on their kids. And calling ur mother a stupid hoebag for example is quickly being labeled now as kiddie mischief, or teenage rebellion. Its true, this all have been going on forever BUT i do see an increase in stupid actions teens do basically because things that were taboo then, arent anymore so theyre gonna look for more and more extreme things to do, I mean im talking about school shootings, elementary stabbings, lots of youngsters apparently being attracted to follow what they see in rap videos way too literately, comatose drinking and using drugs at ages where that shudnt even be happening, i bet everybody sees the same newstopics i do? Still the majority thinks this is normal and doesnt see any sign of decrease of overall moral issues in the youth?
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]All of that has been going on forever.12Bullets
When i grew up i wud hardly ever see a little kid talk back to his parents. QUOTE] things change buddy I know thats basically what this thread is about, the youth changing and being more agressive and immoral then before....buddy
I am pretty sure all that stuff or things similar have always been going on,just now we have worldwide 24/7 news coverage to tell us about it.mattykovax
[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I am pretty sure all that stuff or things similar have always been going on,just now we have worldwide 24/7 news coverage to tell us about it.Teenaged
Quoted for truth. I dont think so, i think maybe all that stuff have been going on on a real small scale, but rather then only covering it on news and internet they also promote it. Why do u think most countries all of a sudden having problems with bloods and crips gangs, most of them not even black and not even knowing how the original turfwar started in Los Angeles. Same goes with MS13 who basically started with a heavymetal group going back to their native countries to escalate and grow into a killing drugdealing gang. I think media has a lot to do with teaching youth (and people not only youth). The overexposure of EVERYTHING good AND BAD to little kids does have a factor in kids being more agressive and immoral today then before.
[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I am pretty sure all that stuff or things similar have always been going on,just now we have worldwide 24/7 news coverage to tell us about it.SenorGuapo
Quoted for truth. I dont think so, i think maybe all that stuff have been going on on a real small scale, but rather then only covering it on news and internet they also promote it. Why do u think most countries all of a sudden having problems with bloods and crips gangs, most of them not even black and not even knowing how the original turfwar started in Los Angeles. Same goes with MS13 who basically started with a heavymetal group going back to their native countries to escalate and grow into a killing drugdealing gang. I think media has a lot to do with teaching youth (and people not only youth). The overexposure of EVERYTHING good AND BAD to little kids does have a factor in kids being more agressive and immoral today then before.I still think that most of that is just the impression you get by the media coverage...
As of the influence of tv you said it yourself. The tv only shows mostly bad things and thus affects the youth one could say. Either way it has to do with the over-hyped phenomenon, which over-hyping can lead to an actual increase of what is over-hyped. Much like this thread. I stronly disagree that there's something particularly wrong with the youth today compared to someday. They are the same types of people who just grow up in different times. Do you speak from the part of the adults? Do you see a problem? Then try to change the worls for the youth and dont attribute the situation they have reached only to them.
I don't listen to these documentaries or supposed 'facts'. Everything is exagerated. When I was at school (22 now) the media portrayed everyone my age as hooded thugs that mugged old ladies, did drugs, loitered on street corners and intimidated people. These characteristics didn't apply to me, my friends or the majority of people in my year. It only applied to a handful of people. Point is, you only ever hear about the bad kids.
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]All of that has been going on forever.12Bullets
When i grew up i wud hardly ever see a little kid talk back to his parents. QUOTE] things change buddy
Yeah, and during the 60s-70s when kids were running away to do Vietnam protests...they never talked back to their parents?
Kids have always been this annoying.
I remember reading about that one Vietnam protest where a bunch of protesters were burning down a college campass to "protest violence", and some National Guardsmen shot them to death.
I thought "Good, little ****s. Nice logic, burning down buildings that innocent people can be trapped in. Nice way to protest violence, pricks."
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Quoted for truth.
Teenaged
I dont think so, i think maybe all that stuff have been going on on a real small scale, but rather then only covering it on news and internet they also promote it. Why do u think most countries all of a sudden having problems with bloods and crips gangs, most of them not even black and not even knowing how the original turfwar started in Los Angeles. Same goes with MS13 who basically started with a heavymetal group going back to their native countries to escalate and grow into a killing drugdealing gang. I think media has a lot to do with teaching youth (and people not only youth). The overexposure of EVERYTHING good AND BAD to little kids does have a factor in kids being more agressive and immoral today then before.I still think that most of that is just the impression you get by the media coverage...
As of the influence of tv you said it yourself. The tv only shows mostly bad things and thus affects the youth one could say. Either way it has to do with the over-hyped phenomenon, which over-hyping can lead to an actual increase of what is over-hyped. Much like this thread. I stronly disagree that there's something particularly wrong with the youth today compared to someday. They are the same types of people who just grow up in different times. Do you speak from the part of the adults? Do you see a problem? Then try to change the worls for the youth and dont attribute the situation they have reached only to them.
Thats what I have to say.
Thats true, we cnt change how things are right now, my son or daughter will probably know and have seen a lot more on a younger age, because she will be exposed to the internet very soon and also see things that i dont want her to see so soon. Whetever thats good or not thats a personal opinion. But you're right teens are teens, its the media and the internet that causes them to be more "mature" earlier. And its the parents task to teach them good values and morals. thnx for the reply, good post.
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"] I dont think so, i think maybe all that stuff have been going on on a real small scale, but rather then only covering it on news and internet they also promote it. Why do u think most countries all of a sudden having problems with bloods and crips gangs, most of them not even black and not even knowing how the original turfwar started in Los Angeles. Same goes with MS13 who basically started with a heavymetal group going back to their native countries to escalate and grow into a killing drugdealing gang. I think media has a lot to do with teaching youth (and people not only youth). The overexposure of EVERYTHING good AND BAD to little kids does have a factor in kids being more agressive and immoral today then before.SenorGuapo
I still think that most of that is just the impression you get by the media coverage...
As of the influence of tv you said it yourself. The tv only shows mostly bad things and thus affects the youth one could say. Either way it has to do with the over-hyped phenomenon, which over-hyping can lead to an actual increase of what is over-hyped. Much like this thread. I stronly disagree that there's something particularly wrong with the youth today compared to someday. They are the same types of people who just grow up in different times. Do you speak from the part of the adults? Do you see a problem? Then try to change the worls for the youth and dont attribute the situation they have reached only to them.
Thats what I have to say.
Thats true, we cnt change how things are right now, my son or daughter will probably know and have seen a lot more on a younger age, because she will be exposed to the internet very soon and also see things that i dont want her to see so soon. Whetever thats good or not thats a personal opinion. But you're right teens are teens, its the media and the internet that causes them to be more "mature" earlier. And its the parents task to teach them good values and morals. thnx for the reply, good post.And of course I cannot deny that being a parent nowadays is harder than it used to be from some aspects, I just speak from my view that a person becomes everything he/she grows into. I dont believe that children have any strong characteristics from birth. The same perfect person in the wrong circumstances could have grown into a really bad person. Thats what I think.
Anyway and sorry for sort of attacking you its just that there have been so many threads lately at OT about the youth and most people where emphasising on the bad side of things.
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I still think that most of that is just the impression you get by the media coverage...
As of the influence of tv you said it yourself. The tv only shows mostly bad things and thus affects the youth one could say. Either way it has to do with the over-hyped phenomenon, which over-hyping can lead to an actual increase of what is over-hyped. Much like this thread. I stronly disagree that there's something particularly wrong with the youth today compared to someday. They are the same types of people who just grow up in different times. Do you speak from the part of the adults? Do you see a problem? Then try to change the worls for the youth and dont attribute the situation they have reached only to them.
Thats what I have to say.
Teenaged
Thats true, we cnt change how things are right now, my son or daughter will probably know and have seen a lot more on a younger age, because she will be exposed to the internet very soon and also see things that i dont want her to see so soon. Whetever thats good or not thats a personal opinion. But you're right teens are teens, its the media and the internet that causes them to be more "mature" earlier. And its the parents task to teach them good values and morals. thnx for the reply, good post.And of course I cannot deny that being a parent nowadays is harder than it used to be from some aspects, I just speak from my view that a person becomes everything he/she grows into. I dont believe that children have any strong characteristics from birth. The same perfect person in the wrong circumstances could have grown into a really bad person. Thats what I think.
Anyway and sorry for sort of attacking you its just that there have been so many threads lately at OT about the youth and most people where emphasising on the bad side of things.
What about violent, degenerate sociopaths unable to feel empathy or remorse due to complications in the brain during childhood, causing enormous fits of rage at random times?
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"] Thats true, we cnt change how things are right now, my son or daughter will probably know and have seen a lot more on a younger age, because she will be exposed to the internet very soon and also see things that i dont want her to see so soon. Whetever thats good or not thats a personal opinion. But you're right teens are teens, its the media and the internet that causes them to be more "mature" earlier. And its the parents task to teach them good values and morals. thnx for the reply, good post.-TheSecondSign-
And of course I cannot deny that being a parent nowadays is harder than it used to be from some aspects, I just speak from my view that a person becomes everything he/she grows into. I dont believe that children have any strong characteristics from birth. The same perfect person in the wrong circumstances could have grown into a really bad person. Thats what I think.
Anyway and sorry for sort of attacking you its just that there have been so many threads lately at OT about the youth and most people where emphasising on the bad side of things.
What about violent, degenerate sociopaths unable to feel empathy or remorse due to complications in the brain during childhood, causing enormous fits of rage at random times?
Well I didnt think it was necessary to mention that there are exceptions but even that is a far stretched example to invalidate my point.
Anyway, I was talking about people with normal ....brain conditions.
[QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="SenorGuapo"][QUOTE="12Bullets"] where have you been. kids have been doing that throughout the 90s And stabbing and shooting is normal (teen) behaviour? Stop talking towards me, and more ABOUT the topic pls And did it happen in the 80's? or 70's? Or was there a certain turning point? Has it always been like that? Have we come to considere these action as normal teen behaviour? Im just playing the devils advocate to spark a little debate on it. Ever see "West Side Story?"
who knows, i've played the pass out game. it makes u dumb/dumber. idk why people do it. my friend's brother is in high school he told me about it. i'm 21 and i never heard about that game like last year or something like that. sex and marijuana is a big thing. people are having it pretty young now.
I am pretty sure all that stuff or things similar have always been going on,just now we have worldwide 24/7 news coverage to tell us about it.mattykovax
I participated in those activities as a teen, and I'm 26.
I'm in HS now and those top two don't apply at all but the bottom ones definetly happen a lot. Every day you can point out the kids who got high before school and you just find out who is having sex a lot.
TC I have a question for you about Amsterdam. Are you allowed to have weed and stuff in school or is it illegal on school ground or something? Drug dealing must not be that big of a problem in Amsterdam.
Being 13, I don't participate in any of that (half which I have no idea what it is). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the kids that went to my school did though
The youth has always been messed up, it doesn't matter what generation it is.
KG86
This. I'm sure your grandparents were probably saying "Damn kids and their pot and Beatles ruining society...back in my day...." and I'm probably sure even your parents at one point probably went "Damn kids and ther ____. Back in my day...."
[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="JML897"]You're 21 years old and you don't remember illegal drugs being used when you were young? Seriously?This_Is_Not
Marijuana and Alcohol are usually the only things you see growing up in high school, with the occasion idiot trying acid, cocaine, or crystal meth. (Depends on where you grow up) With Marijuana legal in the Netherlands it's not like he was constantly exposed to illegal drugs often or even at all. Did you just put acid in the same category as meth? And OP there's no need to get worked up, kids mistakes, learn from them, and become adults. Cycle of life. Yeah, didn't mean to. I was typing out "Heroin" and got distracted by the bats all over my window. When I regained focus I typed Acid, maybe I had it on my mind.
The pass out game is not new, my mom is almost 50 and knows all about it. Salvia is just the new drug, just like LSD, meth, crack, MDMA, opiates and a plethora of other drugs that have come out of the past half century. There has always been promiscuous teens and preteens, it's basic human instinct and a certain portion of the population will disregard societal standards and be sexually active at young ages, it's always happened. And once again alcohol poisoning is nothing new. You just didn't see much of these type of things because it's a very small portion of teenagers that engage in these activities but there being sensationalized by the media/
I'm in HS now and those top two don't apply at all but the bottom ones definetly happen a lot. Every day you can point out the kids who got high before school and you just find out who is having sex a lot.
TC I have a question for you about Amsterdam. Are you allowed to have weed and stuff in school or is it illegal on school ground or something? Drug dealing must not be that big of a problem in Amsterdam.
Dawq902
well it depens if its a 16 yr old with weed in school its illegal, 18 and above tho is no problem even in school...and no basically ive never heard of drugdealing problems in regards to weed, no violence because its not necessary, you just buy it at the store as if you' re buying a pack of cigarettes.
drugs: Habitual use is stupid. Nothing wrong with experiementation, but no illicit drug should be abused.
sex: If done safely and properly, I see nothing to worry about
comatose-drinking: Stupid. Pretty much the same as the first one
I wouldn't say these are the ONLY things kids are into, but it is very prelevant in NA. I remember exchange students were pretty shocked at how liberally the North American youth would drink, and I can't say I blame them. I don't really know of any solution to this either, but it isn't as bad as alot of people make it out to be.
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