Indifferent. As long as they arent out causing trouble, I could care less.
What's your opinion of College Frat's/Sororities and the people in them, OT?
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[QUOTE="designer-"] I guess its an impass of sorts. In my university we had special orientations for international kids that you pay additional for. It would get you and a few others, show off some of the city and what not and help with the transition of coming from far away. The point though, was to make friends, and you paid for it. Do you hold the same perspective for this program?designer-
No I don't, seeing as their international students who are in need of assistance getting used to reading/writing/speaking/hearing a new language more than likely, as well as adapting to a new culture/food/etc that's often much different than their home country. I also, having said all that, contended that the main purpose was making friends. I'll concede that it's certainly one of the main objectives, but its also on the same scale of importance as the other objectives, which would be helping them adapt to this completely alien world and way of doing things in a variety of ways. I think the differences are pretty clear.
To me, its somewhat like pointing to a able bodied, fit person, using a ramp beside a staircase and calling them lazy for not just using the stairs, and then trying to in the same breath say the guy in a wheel chair who uses it is just as lazy. The two obviously aren't equal even if the guy in the wheel chair isn't entirely paralyzed, and maybe just broke his foot or leg or something. Clearly, the guy in the wheel chair is in much more dire need of the ramp. The able bodied guy can use it sure, but he's still lazy and in nowhere near the same ball park of need of the ramps assistance.
Im international and quite capable of speaking English better then your average. Hell I didnt need to take English for my first year because I got credits from High school. The buddies I knew that did said orientation program were people like me, kids that went to international schools and were well adjusted, not your stereotypical foreign kid that can barely speak English. The only culture shock I had from coming to North America was that the word "sick" could be used in a positive sense. Just to set the record straight on intentional kids, its not like North American society is some grand mystery to anybody....
But thats not neither here nor there, I simply put that orientation program forward as an example implying that paying to meet friends is a common activity, and specifying that its somehow a bad thing from frats is, I would argue, hypocritical for other things that you do but do not hold in some negative light.
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So a few examples of things that are done in Uni that involve paying for friends/ paying for potential friendships: Orientation programs, meet and greats that you pay for (say a $10 entry fee), pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people that you pay for. The difference may be that you pay for a single event rather then some grand over arching fee for a year but make no mistake this is common practice. But lets take this further, arent you paying for friendship/ potential friendship if you buy someone a beer? The activity is beer drinking but hopefully the point is not alcoholism but rather socializing. Am I paying for sex if I buy a girl a drink and is she a prosi if she accepts it?
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Agreed, I am an international student myself and in my freshman year went to the international orientation. 95% of the people I met could speak English as well as those who grew up in Canada. Granted there were a few people (I noticed they were Asians) that clearly had trouble speaking English, but by an large the majority of the International students at top institutions (top being defined as the top 100 Universities in the world, according to different rankings, such as AWRU, The QS, etc).. I also had a significantly higher mark in English class than those who had grew up in Canada, which I would probably attribute to me always speaking English in the country that I resided in, as well as doing the damn IB program. And yeah, so far I am definatly enjoying not only the parties, the bro outs (beer pong or video games), and of course the sorority girls! I frankly dont understand all this hate for the Greek system, even though not only do Greek systems pump out some of the most sociable, intelligent, and people that are leaders. Look at some of the top companies and the executives in those companies, a good portion of them are Greeks. Greeks are also those that get involved in campus activities, and we do a lot of different things, one of which is philanthropy.It's one of the few ways to build friendship but that doesn't mean you have to join to make friends. Also, I heard that there are many benefits while in school and after graduation and applying for jobs. I always wanted to live in one of those sorority houses...MistressMinakobeing able to handle a conversation will help you more in finding a job than being in a social club.... unless you get the hook up.
I was in one during college. I actually wouldn't have stayed a member if I hadn't lived in the house. Dues+rent was comparable to renting an apartment locally because I shared a tiny room.
Overall, it was a good experience and it forced me to open up more than I normally do. I'm also still very good friends with one member to this day. That said, I'm an extremely introverted person and didn't fit very well in a fraternity environment.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]
[QUOTE="designer-"] I guess its an impass of sorts. In my university we had special orientations for international kids that you pay additional for. It would get you and a few others, show off some of the city and what not and help with the transition of coming from far away. The point though, was to make friends, and you paid for it. Do you hold the same perspective for this program?designer-
No I don't, seeing as their international students who are in need of assistance getting used to reading/writing/speaking/hearing a new language more than likely, as well as adapting to a new culture/food/etc that's often much different than their home country. I also, having said all that, contended that the main purpose was making friends. I'll concede that it's certainly one of the main objectives, but its also on the same scale of importance as the other objectives, which would be helping them adapt to this completely alien world and way of doing things in a variety of ways. I think the differences are pretty clear.
To me, its somewhat like pointing to a able bodied, fit person, using a ramp beside a staircase and calling them lazy for not just using the stairs, and then trying to in the same breath say the guy in a wheel chair who uses it is just as lazy. The two obviously aren't equal even if the guy in the wheel chair isn't entirely paralyzed, and maybe just broke his foot or leg or something. Clearly, the guy in the wheel chair is in much more dire need of the ramp. The able bodied guy can use it sure, but he's still lazy and in nowhere near the same ball park of need of the ramps assistance.
Im international and quite capable of speaking English better then your average. Hell I didnt need to take English for my first year because I got credits from High school. The buddies I knew that did said orientation program were people like me, kids that went to international schools and were well adjusted, not your stereotypical foreign kid that can barely speak English. The only culture shock I had from coming to North America was that the word "sick" could be used in a positive sense. Just to set the record straight on intentional kids, its not like North American society is some grand mystery to anybody....
But thats not neither here nor there, I simply put that orientation program forward as an example implying that paying to meet friends is a common activity, and specifying that its somehow a bad thing from frats is, I would argue, hypocritical for other things that you do but do not hold in some negative light.
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So a few examples of things that are done in Uni that involve paying for friends/ paying for potential friendships: Orientation programs, meet and greats that you pay for (say a $10 entry fee), pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people that you pay for. The difference may be that you pay for a single event rather then some grand over arching fee for a year but make no mistake this is common practice. But lets take this further, arent you paying for friendship/ potential friendship if you buy someone a beer? The activity is beer drinking but hopefully the point is not alcoholism but rather socializing. Am I paying for sex if I buy a girl a drink and is she a prosi if she accepts it?
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This didn't address what I've said at all. Regardless of how capable the International student is, they are still just that - an International student. The program you put forward is meant to cater to the needs of International students. That means helping them adapt to everything I previously mentioned. I realize that you're an International student and felt like you were American enough, and you also feel as though others were, but that isn't relevant to the purpose of the program, which is again, to help International students adapt. A frat/sorority however, is not. It's not the same thing, its simply a group of people who are loosely tied to one another under the name of that frat. You are simply paying in order to be a part of that club or circle of people.
The two are not similar in purposes/objectives, I think that's pretty apparent. Keeping this in mind, it isn't at all hypocritical to fault frats for this strange practice but not fault an program for International Students to help them adapt to their new Country and so on (whether you or anyone else needed it, doesn't change the purpose of that program). I also already mentioned that that program has other objectives that are equally important such as helping them with language problems, showing them how to get to the places on campus, around town they need to know, adapting them to the new culture and so on.
As far as your other examples go: I've never heard of a orientation that cost money? We have orientations all the time, and they're completely free. Where in the world are they making you pay for orientation? And aside from that, isn't the objective there fairly obvious? Orientation? So even if you did pay, you're there for the orientation.You also said "pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people" but can you name any for me? You can't really say its a common practice if you haven't provided any specific examples.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make with your beer example. If you buy someone a beer you're making a nice guester towards that person by buying them something that (assumingly) would be refreshing and likeable for them. From this, they may appreciate your geuster and strike up a converstaion with you. But you bought the beer not the person. Would you also consider
Beer:
You-->money-->beer-->endless possibilities (including being ignored, having sex, etc. None of which have a necessary connection to the beer)
Frat:
You-->money-->potential friendship (necessary connection the money was paid specifically, by agreement, for the frienship)
I'd hope you mean if she agreed to consentual sober sex, and not while she's drunk out of her mind and unable to make clear decisions/communicate as that would make you a rapist.
But no, you wouldn't be. Paying for sex, is paying for sex. As paying for friends, is paying for friends in a frat. Paying for someones beer, who then may have sex with you, is not paying for sex. The two things (paying for their beer and then having sex) are in no way even correlated here. How do you know she wouldn't have sex with you regardless of whether or not you got her a beer? There's no necessary connection between the beer and the sex. They're under no obligation to have sex with you or even be your friend. There is no prior agreement between you and that person that the purpose of paying for that beer, is for them to have sex with you. Maybe on your part, but not on hers, if it was on her's as well then that's called prostitution.
Your example is no different than asking if some girl has sex with you because she likes your shoes, which you payed for, is it paying for sex? No, it isn't. Again, paying for sex, is paying for sex.
In a frat however, there is prior agreement that in exchange for your money, you will recieve the friendship (or at least being a part of the group) comradare, access to parties and whatever else. That's what the money is for, nothing else. You have literally payed for friends.
Im international and quite capable of speaking English better then your average. Hell I didnt need to take English for my first year because I got credits from High school. The buddies I knew that did said orientation program were people like me, kids that went to international schools and were well adjusted, not your stereotypical foreign kid that can barely speak English. The only culture shock I had from coming to North America was that the word "sick" could be used in a positive sense. Just to set the record straight on intentional kids, its not like North American society is some grand mystery to anybody..[QUOTE="designer-"]
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]
No I don't, seeing as their international students who are in need of assistance getting used to reading/writing/speaking/hearing a new language more than likely, as well as adapting to a new culture/food/etc that's often much different than their home country. I also, having said all that, contended that the main purpose was making friends. I'll concede that it's certainly one of the main objectives, but its also on the same scale of importance as the other objectives, which would be helping them adapt to this completely alien world and way of doing things in a variety of ways. I think the differences are pretty clear.
To me, its somewhat like pointing to a able bodied, fit person, using a ramp beside a staircase and calling them lazy for not just using the stairs, and then trying to in the same breath say the guy in a wheel chair who uses it is just as lazy. The two obviously aren't equal even if the guy in the wheel chair isn't entirely paralyzed, and maybe just broke his foot or leg or something. Clearly, the guy in the wheel chair is in much more dire need of the ramp. The able bodied guy can use it sure, but he's still lazy and in nowhere near the same ball park of need of the ramps assistance.
KeitekeTokage
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But thats not neither here nor there, I simply put that orientation program forward as an example implying that paying to meet friends is a common activity, and specifying that its somehow a bad thing from frats is, I would argue, hypocritical for other things that you do but do not hold in some negative light.
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So a few examples of things that are done in Uni that involve paying for friends/ paying for potential friendships: Orientation programs, meet and greats that you pay for (say a $10 entry fee), pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people that you pay for. The difference may be that you pay for a single event rather then some grand over arching fee for a year but make no mistake this is common practice. But lets take this further, arent you paying for friendship/ potential friendship if you buy someone a beer? The activity is beer drinking but hopefully the point is not alcoholism but rather socializing. Am I paying for sex if I buy a girl a drink and is she a prosi if she accepts it?
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This didn't address what I've said at all. Regardless of how capable the International student is, they are still just that - an International student. The program you put forward is meant to cater to the needs of International students. That means helping them adapt to everything I previously mentioned. I realize that you're an International student and felt like you were American enough, and you also feel as though others were, but that isn't relevant to the purpose of the program, which is again, to help International students adapt. A frat/sorority however, is not. It's not the same thing, its simply a group of people who are loosely tied to one another under the name of that frat. You are simply paying in order to be a part of that club or circle of people.
The two are not similar in purposes/objectives, I think that's pretty apparent. Keeping this in mind, it isn't at all hypocritical to fault frats for this strange practice but not fault an program for International Students to help them adapt to their new Country and so on (whether you or anyone else needed it, doesn't change the purpose of that program). I also already mentioned that that program has other objectives that are equally important such as helping them with language problems, showing them how to get to the places on campus, around town they need to know, adapting them to the new culture and so on.
As far as your other examples go: I've never heard of a orientation that cost money? We have orientations all the time, and they're completely free. Where in the world are they making you pay for orientation? And aside from that, isn't the objective there fairly obvious? Orientation? So even if you did pay, you're there for the orientation.You also said "pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people" but can you name any for me? You can't really say its a common practice if you haven't provided any specific examples.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make with your beer example. If you buy someone a beer you're making a nice guester towards that person by buying them something that (assumingly) would be refreshing and likeable for them. From this, they may appreciate your geuster and strike up a converstaion with you. But you bought the beer not the person. Would you also consider
Beer:
You-->money-->beer-->endless possibilities (including being ignored, having sex, etc. None of which have a necessary connection to the beer)
Frat:
You-->money-->potential friendship (necessary connection the money was paid specifically, by agreement, for the frienship)
I'd hope you mean if she agreed to consentual sober sex, and not while she's drunk out of her mind and unable to make clear decisions/communicate as that would make you a rapist.
But no, you wouldn't be. Paying for sex, is paying for sex. As paying for friends, is paying for friends in a frat. Paying for someones beer, who then may have sex with you, is not paying for sex. The two things (paying for their beer and then having sex) are in no way even correlated here. How do you know she wouldn't have sex with you regardless of whether or not you got her a beer? There's no necessary connection between the beer and the sex. They're under no obligation to have sex with you or even be your friend. There is no prior agreement between you and that person that the purpose of paying for that beer, is for them to have sex with you. Maybe on your part, but not on hers, if it was on her's as well then that's called prostitution.
Your example is no different than asking if some girl has sex with you because she likes your shoes, which you payed for, is it paying for sex? No, it isn't. Again, paying for sex, is paying for sex.
In a frat however, there is prior agreement that in exchange for your money, you will recieve the friendship (or at least being a part of the group) comradare, access to parties and whatever else. That's what the money is for, nothing else. You have literally payed for friends.
I like how you are not in a frat and are instantly assuming that you pay the money (dues) in order to get in. Thats not correct, we use (at least at my Uni) in order to subsidize the members when it comes to the various events we go to, being it the formals, parties, and the free kegs that we get on a weekly basis during out meetings. The $200 dues are used for that, and maintaining the house when it has to be taken care of. But you clearly hate the frats, for whatever reasons, and although I could imagine some possible reasons (because yeah, most frats have some douche bags in them), most are chill guys who just like to have fun, and are responsible and positive contributors to the campus society at the same time. As for the international thing, have you actually been to any one of these orientations? They dont teach you how to adapt to the new city, or really anything at all (other than what the campus looks like), and really the main reason one would go there is to meet people and make friends. Same thing with Freshmen/1st week orientations, people pay for them in order to have the opportunity to meet new people, have fun, and get laid.
this site is filled with nerdy introverts who rarely see sunshine... what do you think we think of them?weezyfbI doubt everyone here is like that though man, no need to generalize. Although I am sure a decent percentage of the forum population (10%-20%) may fit that bill, I'd say a lot of people here are just those that enjoy video games and well, for example the main reason I registered here is for System Wars (and the oh so many lulz it brings), and really by checking System Wars I save time, because all of the information about new products and stuff is posted there almost as soon as it is announced, meaning I dont have to waste my time browsing other places. I am sure a decent amount of people are here for that, or for the OT forums, or for sports related forums, or etc. As for the nerdy introverts, yeah they can be quite odd.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="designer-"] Im international and quite capable of speaking English better then your average. Hell I didnt need to take English for my first year because I got credits from High school. The buddies I knew that did said orientation program were people like me, kids that went to international schools and were well adjusted, not your stereotypical foreign kid that can barely speak English. The only culture shock I had from coming to North America was that the word "sick" could be used in a positive sense. Just to set the record straight on intentional kids, its not like North American society is some grand mystery to anybody..
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But thats not neither here nor there, I simply put that orientation program forward as an example implying that paying to meet friends is a common activity, and specifying that its somehow a bad thing from frats is, I would argue, hypocritical for other things that you do but do not hold in some negative light.
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So a few examples of things that are done in Uni that involve paying for friends/ paying for potential friendships: Orientation programs, meet and greats that you pay for (say a $10 entry fee), pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people that you pay for. The difference may be that you pay for a single event rather then some grand over arching fee for a year but make no mistake this is common practice. But lets take this further, arent you paying for friendship/ potential friendship if you buy someone a beer? The activity is beer drinking but hopefully the point is not alcoholism but rather socializing. Am I paying for sex if I buy a girl a drink and is she a prosi if she accepts it?
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jonathant5
This didn't address what I've said at all. Regardless of how capable the International student is, they are still just that - an International student. The program you put forward is meant to cater to the needs of International students. That means helping them adapt to everything I previously mentioned. I realize that you're an International student and felt like you were American enough, and you also feel as though others were, but that isn't relevant to the purpose of the program, which is again, to help International students adapt. A frat/sorority however, is not. It's not the same thing, its simply a group of people who are loosely tied to one another under the name of that frat. You are simply paying in order to be a part of that club or circle of people.
The two are not similar in purposes/objectives, I think that's pretty apparent. Keeping this in mind, it isn't at all hypocritical to fault frats for this strange practice but not fault an program for International Students to help them adapt to their new Country and so on (whether you or anyone else needed it, doesn't change the purpose of that program). I also already mentioned that that program has other objectives that are equally important such as helping them with language problems, showing them how to get to the places on campus, around town they need to know, adapting them to the new culture and so on.
As far as your other examples go: I've never heard of a orientation that cost money? We have orientations all the time, and they're completely free. Where in the world are they making you pay for orientation? And aside from that, isn't the objective there fairly obvious? Orientation? So even if you did pay, you're there for the orientation.You also said "pretty much any event that involves socializing with a new group of people" but can you name any for me? You can't really say its a common practice if you haven't provided any specific examples.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make with your beer example. If you buy someone a beer you're making a nice guester towards that person by buying them something that (assumingly) would be refreshing and likeable for them. From this, they may appreciate your geuster and strike up a converstaion with you. But you bought the beer not the person. Would you also consider
Beer:
You-->money-->beer-->endless possibilities (including being ignored, having sex, etc. None of which have a necessary connection to the beer)
Frat:
You-->money-->potential friendship (necessary connection the money was paid specifically, by agreement, for the frienship)
I'd hope you mean if she agreed to consentual sober sex, and not while she's drunk out of her mind and unable to make clear decisions/communicate as that would make you a rapist.
But no, you wouldn't be. Paying for sex, is paying for sex. As paying for friends, is paying for friends in a frat. Paying for someones beer, who then may have sex with you, is not paying for sex. The two things (paying for their beer and then having sex) are in no way even correlated here. How do you know she wouldn't have sex with you regardless of whether or not you got her a beer? There's no necessary connection between the beer and the sex. They're under no obligation to have sex with you or even be your friend. There is no prior agreement between you and that person that the purpose of paying for that beer, is for them to have sex with you. Maybe on your part, but not on hers, if it was on her's as well then that's called prostitution.
Your example is no different than asking if some girl has sex with you because she likes your shoes, which you payed for, is it paying for sex? No, it isn't. Again, paying for sex, is paying for sex.
In a frat however, there is prior agreement that in exchange for your money, you will recieve the friendship (or at least being a part of the group) comradare, access to parties and whatever else. That's what the money is for, nothing else. You have literally payed for friends.
I like how you are not in a frat and are instantly assuming that you pay the money (dues) in order to get in. Thats not correct, we use (at least at my Uni) in order to subsidize the members when it comes to the various events we go to, being it the formals, parties, and the free kegs that we get on a weekly basis during out meetings. The $200 dues are used for that, and maintaining the house when it has to be taken care of. But you clearly hate the frats, for whatever reasons, and although I could imagine some possible reasons (because yeah, most frats have some douche bags in them), most are chill guys who just like to have fun, and are responsible and positive contributors to the campus society at the same time. As for the international thing, have you actually been to any one of these orientations? They dont teach you how to adapt to the new city, or really anything at all (other than what the campus looks like), and really the main reason one would go there is to meet people and make friends. Same thing with Freshmen/1st week orientations, people pay for them in order to have the opportunity to meet new people, have fun, and get laid.
Shouldn't you have stopped yourself from posting this right at the bold? Dues here are about $750-$1200. All of that money is most certainly not used for what you mentioned, some of it (I'm not sure of the exact figures) is simply required to be a part of the club. I'm not sure where you go, but that's pretty cheap (still not anywhere near worth it in my opinion though).
I like how your first line of defense is to specifically call me out as hating frats rather than addressing my argument. But I guess I should expect that from someone in a frat who's clearly a hater of everyone not in a frat, right?
I never said I hate frats necessarily, I just think they're lame and kind of pathetic organizations. The people are hit and miss as far as being douche-bags or not. I know a few cool frat guys, but the large majority are just that - douche-bags. And how in the hell can you make the blanket assertion that the Internation student orientations/programs don't show you around the city or "really anything at all"? I'm going to have to just laugh at that one, on its own merrit as being a unsupported assertion that's just plain wrong, and also because I'm aware that our International Student program does do it.
I'm not aware of these Freshmen orientations that you and the other user are talking about that require money, but here they don't. And even if they did, friends are not the only purpose of them. I don't know how many times I'll have to say this. Regardless of what you want out of it the program itself intentions are oh I don't know, orientation for your school? You can also make friends there sure, and the orientations often try to allow new students to mingle through some kind of activities. But what they don't do is put you and those other people under an agreement that in exchange for the money you paid they will all now be your friends(or potential friends), surround you for most of your college life, associate themselves with you under the same club name, live with you, invite you to exclusive parties, and so on.
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]this site is filled with nerdy introverts who rarely see sunshine... what do you think we think of them?jonathant5I doubt everyone here is like that though man, no need to generalize. Although I am sure a decent percentage of the forum population (10%-20%) may fit that bill, I'd say a lot of people here are just those that enjoy video games and well, for example the main reason I registered here is for System Wars (and the oh so many lulz it brings), and really by checking System Wars I save time, because all of the information about new products and stuff is posted there almost as soon as it is announced, meaning I dont have to waste my time browsing other places. I am sure a decent amount of people are here for that, or for the OT forums, or for sports related forums, or etc. As for the nerdy introverts, yeah they can be quite odd.
it's a mix, i thought a few guys were nerdy, but the more i learned about them i they remind me of a few of my buds, be surprised
A little late to reply but better late then never.Shouldn't you have stopped yourself from posting this right at the bold? Dues here are about $750-$1200. All of that money is most certainly not used for what you mentioned, some of it (I'm not sure of the exact figures) is simply required to be a part of the club. I'm not sure where you go, but that's pretty cheap (still not anywhere near worth it in my opinion though).
I like how your first line of defense is to specifically call me out as hating frats rather than addressing my argument. But I guess I should expect that from someone in a frat who's clearly a hater of everyone not in a frat, right?
I never said I hate frats necessarily, I just think they're lame and kind of pathetic organizations. The people are hit and miss as far as being douche-bags or not. I know a few cool frat guys, but the large majority are just that - douche-bags. And how in the hell can you make the blanket assertion that the Internation student orientations/programs don't show you around the city or "really anything at all"? I'm going to have to just laugh at that one, on its own merrit as being a unsupported assertion that's just plain wrong, and also because I'm aware that our International Student program does do it.
I'm not aware of these Freshmen orientations that you and the other user are talking about that require money, but here they don't. And even if they did, friends are not the only purpose of them. I don't know how many times I'll have to say this. Regardless of what you want out of it the program itself intentions are oh I don't know, orientation for your school? You can also make friends there sure, and the orientations often try to allow new students to mingle through some kind of activities. But what they don't do is put you and those other people under an agreement that in exchange for the money you paid they will all now be your friends(or potential friends), surround you for most of your college life, associate themselves with you under the same club name, live with you, invite you to exclusive parties, and so on.
KeitekeTokage
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In the end you are not here to have a discussion, you are here to have you perspective and nothing else. Orientation, friends are the purpose, yes they show you toher things but number 1 purpose is friends. In parties, friends or sex are the purpose, you pay to get in to the party to partake in enjoying one of those two things. Hell when kids make a choice to go to a party school how is that any different? They are choosing their Uni primarily for the parties, friends and sex that they perceive they will receive. You want to limit this "paying for friends" concept to just Fraternities when thats just not the case. Which based on your comments you have a very negative opinion for.
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Now how many Unis are you basing this negative opinion off of. Isnt the previous posters comment of "at least in my uni" as applicable to you as it is to him. Not really an argument to go off of hearsay, so unless you transferred a ton of Unis you have as much of individual experience as he does.
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I guess in the end, I am not going to convince you, you have your perspective, your clearly in your mind defined boundaries of what you consider paying for friends. You have already once insinuated that I would drug a girl a girl to the point of stupor with liquor to have sex, that I am likely a complete and utter douche bag and am "kind of pathetic". Kind of have to question who is being the douche bag in this scenario when all I have trying to do is have a civil back and forth..
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]this site is filled with nerdy introverts who rarely see sunshine... what do you think we think of them?jonathant5I doubt everyone here is like that though man, no need to generalize. Although I am sure a decent percentage of the forum population (10%-20%) may fit that bill, I'd say a lot of people here are just those that enjoy video games and well, for example the main reason I registered here is for System Wars (and the oh so many lulz it brings), and really by checking System Wars I save time, because all of the information about new products and stuff is posted there almost as soon as it is announced, meaning I dont have to waste my time browsing other places. I am sure a decent amount of people are here for that, or for the OT forums, or for sports related forums, or etc. As for the nerdy introverts, yeah they can be quite odd. Ditto, I dont frequent these forums much anymore but in the past I have never felt like these forums are only made up of basement dwellers. System Wars is a great way to get quick news, quick comparisons and a few laughs at the pure outright circus show that it is.
[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]It's one of the few ways to build friendship but that doesn't mean you have to join to make friends. Also, I heard that there are many benefits while in school and after graduation and applying for jobs. I always wanted to live in one of those sorority houses...surrealnumber5being able to handle a conversation will help you more in finding a job than being in a social club.... unless you get the hook up. The numbers go something like this: 85% of the Fortune 500 Executives, 80% of U.S. Presidents since 1900, and 100% of Apollo 11 Astronauts Have been part of a frat. The guy that founded my Unis business school was in mine and thats no small feat.
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MistressMinako"]It's one of the few ways to build friendship but that doesn't mean you have to join to make friends. Also, I heard that there are many benefits while in school and after graduation and applying for jobs. I always wanted to live in one of those sorority houses...designer-being able to handle a conversation will help you more in finding a job than being in a social club.... unless you get the hook up. The numbers go something like this: 85% of the Fortune 500 Executives, 80% of U.S. Presidents since 1900, and 100% of Apollo 11 Astronauts Have been part of a frat. The guy that founded my Unis business school was in mine and thats no small feat. Yes, it is quite an impressive feat, hell in fact 5 of the 44 US presidents were a part of my fraternity. Although one thing I will say though is that I do not believe that being in a fraternity will lead you to those positions, given that a large percentage of those people (such as the executives of Fortune 500 companies) have studied at the top institutions (top being as the top 20 schools in the US). I feel that it is a combination of those people being quite intelligent and of course, having a degree that made it easier for them to land jobs, combined with the social and leadership skills that a fraternity helps foster in an individual, and to be honest, according to a lot of the people that I have talked to, once you get that interview for a job position, the thing that matters afterwards are your social skills and how well you can try and relate to the person who is interviewing you and display the value you have or can add to the company.
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