What's your opinion on Edward Snowden, the NSA and surveillance of the internet?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]You're so stupid that it's embarassing.

The taliban doesn't exist either right?

frannkzappa

You do realize where the Taliban came from, right?

and they were a fine organization when it was first constructed, which was when we supported it.

LOL.. a fine organization?  That's rich.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]You're so stupid that it's embarassing.

The taliban doesn't exist either right?

Aljosa23

You do realize where the Taliban came from, right?

They were heavily US-funded and even trained.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPv63pGMTk

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]You're so stupid that it's embarassing.

The taliban doesn't exist either right?

frannkzappa

Hah, it's funny you'd choose the Taliban. They may exist, but the U.S. government is currently in talks and negotiating with them.

what's wrong with that?

do you think the only option is to kill every last one of them?

I don't think a single thing is wrong with that.  But since the U.S. is in open negotiations with them, they're not exactly a typical "terrorist organization", which I think is the type of organization Sammitch was looking for.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You do realize where the Taliban came from, right?

hartsickdiscipl

and they were a fine organization when it was first constructed, which was when we supported it.

LOL.. a fine organization? That's rich.

a group of soldiers trained and supplied in part by the US to fight the soviets, they did not have the ultra fundamentalist agenda when we supported them.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

and they were a fine organization when it was first constructed, which was when we supported it.

frannkzappa

LOL.. a fine organization? That's rich.

a group of soldiers trained and supplied in part by the US to fight the soviets, they did not have the ultra fundamentalist agenda when we supported them.

Yes they did.  They had it, and we used it against the Soviets.  Now it's turned on us and we don't like it.  

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

You do realize where the Taliban came from, right?

hartsickdiscipl

They were heavily US-funded and even trained.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPv63pGMTk

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

LOL.. a fine organization? That's rich.

hartsickdiscipl

a group of soldiers trained and supplied in part by the US to fight the soviets, they did not have the ultra fundamentalist agenda when we supported them.

Yes they did. They had it, and we used it against the Soviets. Now it's turned on us and we don't like it.

not in the psuedo jihadist form it is in today.

and even if they did, it can only be considered smart that we used it against the Russians.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

LOL.. a fine organization? That's rich.

frannkzappa

a group of soldiers trained and supplied in part by the US to fight the soviets, they did not have the ultra fundamentalist agenda when we supported them.

It'll be interesting to see how people will remember the Syrian rebels in 20 years.

Not really too sure what to think of the whole thing, I'm glad Snowden did what he did and it sucks he will probably go to jail for his actions.I feel it is our right to know this stuff as Americans. I know the gov probably wont do any harm to American citizens, but there is still the potential for abuse. Not to mention it is an invasion of our privacy which I am not too comfortable with. 

Not really too sure what to think of the whole thing, I'm glad Snowden did what he did and it sucks he will probably go to jail for his actions.I feel it is our right to know this stuff as Americans. I know the gov probably wont do any harm to American citizens, but there is still the potential for abuse. Not to mention it is an invasion of our privacy which I am not too comfortable with.

Bane_09

is it also alright to put federal agents and there families at risk? is it all right to give out their locations when they are doing sensitive and dangerous work in the middle east?

this man is the opposite of a hero.

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Not really too sure what to think of the whole thing, I'm glad Snowden did what he did and it sucks he will probably go to jail for his actions.I feel it is our right to know this stuff as Americans. I know the gov probably wont do any harm to American citizens, but there is still the potential for abuse. Not to mention it is an invasion of our privacy which I am not too comfortable with.

frannkzappa

is it also alright to put federal agents and there families at risk? is it all right to give out their locations when they are doing sensitive and dangerous work in the middle east?

this man is the opposite of a hero.

I never said he was a hero, and I also agree with you that those federal agents and their families should be considered. I still think what he did was right, but it is a much more gray moral situation than most people think. I am still forming an opinion of the whole thing. 

[QUOTE="John_Boehner"]To be blunt, Snowden is a traitor. These programs are here to help protect American citizens. Exposing our security and showing our enemies our hand will do nothing to help this country. hartsickdiscipl

You're going to have to do better than that, Mr. Speaker.  

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Not really too sure what to think of the whole thing, I'm glad Snowden did what he did and it sucks he will probably go to jail for his actions.I feel it is our right to know this stuff as Americans. I know the gov probably wont do any harm to American citizens, but there is still the potential for abuse. Not to mention it is an invasion of our privacy which I am not too comfortable with.

Bane_09

is it also alright to put federal agents and there families at risk? is it all right to give out their locations when they are doing sensitive and dangerous work in the middle east?

this man is the opposite of a hero.

I never said he was a hero, and I also agree with you that those federal agents and their families should be considered. I still think what he did was right, but it is a much more gray moral situation than most people think. I am still forming an opinion of the whole thing.

there were 2 billion other ways he could have let known anything illegal done by the US government that didn't involve dangerous info leaks.

at best this man is an idiot.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="John_Boehner"]To be blunt, Snowden is a traitor. These programs are here to help protect American citizens. Exposing our security and showing our enemies our hand will do nothing to help this country. John_Boehner

You're going to have to do better than that, Mr. Speaker.

ha

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

is it also alright to put federal agents and there families at risk? is it all right to give out their locations when they are doing sensitive and dangerous work in the middle east?

 

 

 

this man is the opposite of a hero.

frannkzappa

I never said he was a hero, and I also agree with you that those federal agents and their families should be considered. I still think what he did was right, but it is a much more gray moral situation than most people think. I am still forming an opinion of the whole thing.

there were 2 billion other ways he could have let known anything illegal done by the US government that didn't involve dangerous info leaks.

at best this man is an idiot.

Eh, I wouldnt call him an idiot. Maybe whoever hired him and gave him the security clearance he had, now they fvcked up good. And yeah, I agree that there were probably other ways. Hence why I do not have a definite opinion

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

a group of soldiers trained and supplied in part by the US to fight the soviets, they did not have the ultra fundamentalist agenda when we supported them.

frannkzappa

Yes they did. They had it, and we used it against the Soviets. Now it's turned on us and we don't like it.

not in the psuedo jihadist form it is in today.

and even if they did, it can only be considered smart that we used it against the Russians.

Obviously not that smart.  

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

I support what hes done and I think the EU should grow a pair of balls and tell the US to fck off and keep that shit on their own truf

TacticalDesire

What a staggeringly good job of simplifying a complex issue.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="John_Boehner"]To be blunt, Snowden is a traitor. These programs are here to help protect American citizens. Exposing our security and showing our enemies our hand will do nothing to help this country. John_Boehner

You're going to have to do better than that, Mr. Speaker.  

Every generation that thinks like this deserves to end up in a 1984-style tyranny.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Pakistani trained soldiers during the Soviet war?

Aljosa23

They were heavily US-funded and even trained.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPv63pGMTk

Worked out real well in Iran too :?

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Support it, as long as it's used for security, and not for personal abuse, i'm perfectly fine with the government protecting me from terrorists, other countries and crazies.

 

hartsickdiscipl

They are mostly imaginary or run by the CIA, NSA, and FBI when they do pop up.  The whole thing is a scam and a crock of sh!t.  

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

They were heavily US-funded and even trained.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPv63pGMTk

hartsickdiscipl

Worked out real well in Iran too :?

[QUOTE="John_Boehner"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

You're going to have to do better than that, Mr. Speaker.  

hartsickdiscipl

Every generation that thinks like this deserves to end up in a 1984-style tyranny.  

I think he is a double agent. 

I think the government is letting him loose on purpose

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yes they did. They had it, and we used it against the Soviets. Now it's turned on us and we don't like it.

hartsickdiscipl

not in the psuedo jihadist form it is in today.

and even if they did, it can only be considered smart that we used it against the Russians.

Obviously not that smart.

it worked.

What happened to the Taliban after that was completely out of Americas hands.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="John_Boehner"] You are against what the NSA has done to protect Americans? The NSA has done more to protect us than any harm that it may have done. Every generation is required to pay a price for freedom. Sacrificing a little of our privacy(really none of it when the situation is viewed practically) is not too much to ask for safety. Organizations like the NSA keep the war away from our front steps. TheWalkingGhost

Every generation that thinks like this deserves to end up in a 1984-style tyranny.

we have to deal with the lizard Illuminati and the space men first.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

They are mostly imaginary or run by the CIA, NSA, and FBI when they do pop up. The whole thing is a scam and a crock of sh!t.

hartsickdiscipl

The taliban doesn't exist either right?

You do realize where the Taliban came from, right?

I think he did something good by blowing the whistle, brought it into attention to those that otherwise had a blind eye to it. Problem is that he's probably never going to be a free man since he's either gotta remain the rest of his life hidden in a country that won't send him to the US or He'll return to the US where they'll either imprison him for life or execution depending on the law.Treflis

he deserves either.

[QUOTE="Treflis"]I think he did something good by blowing the whistle, brought it into attention to those that otherwise had a blind eye to it. Problem is that he's probably never going to be a free man since he's either gotta remain the rest of his life hidden in a country that won't send him to the US or He'll return to the US where they'll either imprison him for life or execution depending on the law.frannkzappa

he deserves either.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]I think he did something good by blowing the whistle, brought it into attention to those that otherwise had a blind eye to it. Problem is that he's probably never going to be a free man since he's either gotta remain the rest of his life hidden in a country that won't send him to the US or He'll return to the US where they'll either imprison him for life or execution depending on the law.chrisrooR

he deserves either.

no for revealing the location of federal agents and their families to anyone who wants to know.

most people don't give two f@cks what this guy actualy did, they just go "freedom" and start jacking off.

I think the media is trying to hide something much bigger since it's not the first time people talk about this subject 

the video is no appearing :x

here is the link while I'm trying to learn how to embed videos 

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]I think he did something good by blowing the whistle, brought it into attention to those that otherwise had a blind eye to it. Problem is that he's probably never going to be a free man since he's either gotta remain the rest of his life hidden in a country that won't send him to the US or He'll return to the US where they'll either imprison him for life or execution depending on the law.chrisrooR

he deserves either.