What's your view on separation of church and state?

I think the reason it create problems is that it creates the "move with the times" and "religious foundation" sides, ie. some belive there is no place for religion as law, and others believe that many governments were based on religion, or at least religious principles...

For instance, there is no denying my country of NZ has been built on religious tenets, even the NZ anthem is a prayer, which has lead to many calls for a new one...

I think there are many cracks in the line. Mostly favoring Christianity.

When you're country is based off of Christian ideas and beliefs it's kind of hard to separate them, although they say they do.
(Talking about the U.S.)
starwarsgeek112

When the USA was founded on SECULAR ideals, it should LOGICALLY be hard to JOIN church and state. But thats not how it works.

Supposedly 40% of the founding fathers were athiest, and the rest were secular in their approach to church and state anyway, because they all knew what a sick joke church and state unions were, having just escaped the theocracies of Europe.

Its sad so many people forget that. People came to America to escape religious governments, and now hundreds of years later their decendants are trying to create their own little theocracy.

I think the reason it create problems is that it creates the "move with the times" and "religious foundation" sides, ie. some belive there is no place for religion as law, and others believe that many governments were based on religion, or at least religious principles...

For instance, there is no denying my country of NZ has been built on religious tenets, even the NZ anthem is a prayer, which has lead to many calls for a new one...

D3nnyCrane

NZ's founding has little to do with anything anymore.

Whether we were founded on Christian tenets does not matter as we have no formal constitution outlying a set of constraints for church and state.

Thankfully we are a secular nation and sane enough to realise that religion has no place in power; Brian Tamaki FTL. Keep parliament in the hands of those who are sane enough to govern this nation impartially.

[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]When you're country is based off of Christian ideas and beliefs it's kind of hard to separate them, although they say they do.
(Talking about the U.S.)
RKfromDownunder

When the USA was founded on SECULAR ideals, it should LOGICALLY be hard to JOIN church and state. But thats not how it works.

Supposedly 40% of the founding fathers were athiest, and the rest were secular in their approach to church and state anyway, because they all knew what a sick joke church and state unions were, having just escaped the theocracies of Europe.

Its sad so many people forget that. People came to America to escape religious governments, and now hundreds of years later their decendants are trying to create their own little theocracy.

[QUOTE="RKfromDownunder"]

[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]When you're country is based off of Christian ideas and beliefs it's kind of hard to separate them, although they say they do.
(Talking about the U.S.)
-ArchAngeL-777-

When the USA was founded on SECULAR ideals, it should LOGICALLY be hard to JOIN church and state. But thats not how it works.

Supposedly 40% of the founding fathers were athiest, and the rest were secular in their approach to church and state anyway, because they all knew what a sick joke church and state unions were, having just escaped the theocracies of Europe.

Its sad so many people forget that. People came to America to escape religious governments, and now hundreds of years later their decendants are trying to create their own little theocracy.

The founding fathers NEVER intended the US to be a Christian nation. As I stated in a previous post, "Under God" was added in 1954 and "In God We Trust" was added in the 1860s. The founding fathers wanted a specifically secular nation. Some of them weren't even Christian. We are not a Christian nation when the fundamental amendment of our constitution specifically allows for any relgion to be universally tolerated, and makes no mention to Jesus or God. Theocratic ideals are not contemporaries of the founding fathers, and not intended for the United States.
bman784

You have seriously not been paying attention. At our foundation, the United States was one of the most secular governments in history. Look for the "Treaty of Tripoli" to see how wrong you've been about this.