When a couple conceives a child in The Matrix...

In The Matrix universe, if a couple conceives a child in the matrix (not the 'real world', but the 'computer world') then what is that child? It can't be a human being, because all of them are hooked up to the robot's power supply. Does that make it a program? Is this a legit loophole or am I missing something? Sorry if this has been brought up before or is explained in the films.

You know what... I do not have an answer.... In other news, how can the Zion people get the cloth for their clothes when they are underground without fields to grow cloth in and sun to make the plants grow? :o

That's called a wet dream, my boy.SolidSnake35

You see, there is a new human though who interacts and functions within the matrix and eventually (if the robots were around long enough), all the humans would die off in the matrix, and all that would inhabit it would be their "children".

This was explained in the movies. People don't reproduce, the machines literally grow human beings. Children in the Matrix are all programs. Like the kid who says "there is no spoon" to Neo in the first film and the oracle-to-be in the 3rd film. Children don't exist in the matrix, they are programs, adults are simply grown.

Okay, thanks for telling me :) I apologize for my ignorance, I haven't seen the movies in a long time.

Probably a dream. The parents are real; children aren't.

But I have to ask: where did the children go? You don't start life as an adult. What, are they given to parents through an orphanage? Are there even any children in the Matrix? And no, the little girl in the third movie doesn't count.

You know what... I do not have an answer.... In other news, how can the Zion people get the cloth for their clothes when they are underground without fields to grow cloth in and sun to make the plants grow? :o

MrEnvelope

Plant lights, I would assume. Same for food.

I don't think that is right. Yes people are grown and they are also connected to the Matrix while they are grown. Your life in the Matrix coincides with your body growing in the fluid tubs. It would be easy to associate a new growing baby in the tub to a virtual couple that is "trying to have a baby". Now obviously there would be issues, like the baby looking like the actual parents, which would be solved by the machines taking DNA from the real bodies of the people that are virtually having sex to make the baby. How else would they grow humans anyway? DNA/sperm/egg samples and test tube babies.

I don't think that is right. Yes people are grown and they are also connected to the Matrix while they are grown. Your life in the Matrix coincides with your body growing in the fluid tubs. It would be easy to associate a new growing baby in the tub to a virtual couple that is "trying to have a baby". Now obviously there would be issues, like the baby looking like the actual parents, which would be solved by the machines taking DNA from the real bodies of the people that are virtually having sex to make the baby. How else would they grow humans anyway? DNA/sperm/egg samples and test tube babies.

Cyb0rg360

I assumed they used artificial sperm and grew them in an artificial womb, but it's certainly possible.

I still want to know: did we ever see any kids in the Matrix? Any at all? I can't remember seeing kids even in the background.

If the Second Renaissance is canon, then yes, children are real in the matrix.

Even if humans are "grown" (i.e. made by machines in the pods), they still probably go through the same embryo>fetus>infant>toddler>etc stages. When humans conceive a child, the machines would create anew embryo (combined from the parents' DNA) in a separate pod.

Just my opinion though.

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I don't think that is right. Yes people are grown and they are also connected to the Matrix while they are grown. Your life in the Matrix coincides with your body growing in the fluid tubs. It would be easy to associate a new growing baby in the tub to a virtual couple that is "trying to have a baby". Now obviously there would be issues, like the baby looking like the actual parents, which would be solved by the machines taking DNA from the real bodies of the people that are virtually having sex to make the baby. How else would they grow humans anyway? DNA/sperm/egg samples and test tube babies.

JediXMan7

I assumed they used artificial sperm and grew them in an artificial womb, but it's certainly possible.

I still want to know: did we ever see any kids in the Matrix? Any at all? I can't remember seeing kids even in the background.

I think what happens, is the machines take DNA from the two and produce an offspring and add him/her to the field of people that they are harvesting, while their "avatars" in the matrix are together. also i think thats how they grow the people. like standard reproduction is just an illusion

I would imagine that it would be a program written by the robots?

I don't know enough of the whole story of the series to really answer this.

In The Matrix universe, if a couple conceives a child in the matrix (not the 'real world', but the 'computer world') then what is that child? It can't be a human being, because all of them are hooked up to the robot's power supply. Does that make it a program? Is this a legit loophole or am I missing something? Sorry if this has been brought up before or is explained in the films.

Lebbin

My guess is that the robots then artificially enseminate the real (non-Matrix) woman with the real man's sperm.

I mean...the robots clearly have to have a breeding program. And it doesn't matter to the machines who hooks up with who, all they need is a body to generate energy. So I'm assuming that the machines would just let the Matrix humans decide who mates with who in the real-world breeding program.

I would imagine that it would be a program written by the robots?

I don't know enough of the whole story of the series to really answer this.

turtlethetaffer

This was explained in the movies. People don't reproduce, the machines literally grow human beings. Children in the Matrix are all programs. Like the kid who says "there is no spoon" to Neo in the first film and the oracle-to-be in the 3rd film. Children don't exist in the matrix, they are programs, adults are simply grown.

JPOBS

That doesn't follow.

Because yes, humans ARE getting "grown". But they're also still getting plugged into the Matrix. So if those REAL children aren't children of the Matrix, then where are they?!

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I don't think that is right. Yes people are grown and they are also connected to the Matrix while they are grown. Your life in the Matrix coincides with your body growing in the fluid tubs. It would be easy to associate a new growing baby in the tub to a virtual couple that is "trying to have a baby". Now obviously there would be issues, like the baby looking like the actual parents, which would be solved by the machines taking DNA from the real bodies of the people that are virtually having sex to make the baby. How else would they grow humans anyway? DNA/sperm/egg samples and test tube babies.

Cyb0rg360

I assumed they used artificial sperm and grew them in an artificial womb, but it's certainly possible.

I still want to know: did we ever see any kids in the Matrix? Any at all? I can't remember seeing kids even in the background.

Kid (yes, that is the kid's name. Kid) said he was 16 in Revolution. So I guess he counts as an adult.

I don't think that is right. Yes people are grown and they are also connected to the Matrix while they are grown. Your life in the Matrix coincides with your body growing in the fluid tubs. It would be easy to associate a new growing baby in the tub to a virtual couple that is "trying to have a baby". Now obviously there would be issues, like the baby looking like the actual parents, which would be solved by the machines taking DNA from the real bodies of the people that are virtually having sex to make the baby. How else would they grow humans anyway? DNA/sperm/egg samples and test tube babies.

Cyb0rg360

If the Second Renaissance is canon, then yes, children are real in the matrix.

Even if humans are "grown" (i.e. made by machines in the pods), they still probably go through the same embryo>fetus>infant>toddler>etc stages. When humans conceive a child, the machines would create anew embryo (combined from the parents' DNA) in a separate pod.

Just my opinion though.

xerxes5678

I'm guessing that women become pregnant in the Matrix in correspondence with a growing human in the real world.

You don't conceive until the machines soak the seed.

The basic concept behind the movie is utterly stupid, and this is a comparatively trivial issue to consider.

That's called a wet dream, my boy.SolidSnake35

That's hawt. :oops:

You know what... I do not have an answer.... In other news, how can the Zion people get the cloth for their clothes when they are underground without fields to grow cloth in and sun to make the plants grow? :o

MrEnvelope

That's the least of the "real world" and its issue with logic and physics. I wish it was still up, but The Intuitor had a great dissection of everything that was wrong with both the concept of surviving underground and how the machines operated.

When a baby is born a real baby is plugged into the matrix, obviously.

It can't be a human being, because all of them are hooked up to the robot's power supply.

Lebbin

I still want to know: did we ever see any kids in the Matrix? Any at all? I can't remember seeing kids even in the background.JediXMan7

You know what... I do not have an answer.... In other news, how can the Zion people get the cloth for their clothes when they are underground without fields to grow cloth in and sun to make the plants grow? :o

MrEnvelope

Ever heard of synthetics?

They could always take the necessary reproductive elements from each parent and create a child from that. That's what I always assumed they did. They would still grow the child somewhere, but the sperm and egg had to come from somewhere.

In The Matrix universe, if a couple conceives a child in the matrix (not the 'real world', but the 'computer world') then what is that child? It can't be a human being, because all of them are hooked up to the robot's power supply. Does that make it a program? Is this a legit loophole or am I missing something? Sorry if this has been brought up before or is explained in the films.

Lebbin

It sends an instruction code over to the Growing center DivergeUnify

Something like this. Machines in the Matrix are most likely breeding humans by some artificial means. When a couple in the Matrix "conceives" a baby, the Machines simply assign some baby to the parents.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]It sends an instruction code over to the Growing center Twoyen

Something like this. Machines in the Matrix are most likely breeding humans by some artificial means. When a couple in the Matrix "conceives" a baby, the Machines simply assign some baby to the parents.