When U.S empire crumbles, which country is next in power?

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

US won't crumble for another century. The world power will always be in the Americas due to location, so some country in the Americas will take the spot.

Locke562

Pretty much

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

The dinosaurs are coming back to take over the world.

A U.S Empire? I hope to never see one of those.Artekus

Well then you should know the US empire is the greatest ever seen and only rivaled by the ex-british empire. Influence is just as strong as occupation, if your country cannot live without mine but my country can live without yours.. who is really in power here?

[QUOTE="Agent-Zero"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Not really.. the US takes about 1/5 of chinas exports.. unless the other 4/5 doesn't count I don't think that's economic dependance. Well that's what I last heard on the matter at least.. not to mention the US owes china money :P

Trinners

The US owes China $772 billion :|

I never said that you made that statement in the first place.

Trinners

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

carrot-cake

Smart man. You are right about everything, except the EU. Part of the reason why the US is so powerful is because we have acess to two major oceans, while Europe only has the Atlantic.

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

carrot-cake

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]People saying China are fail, seeing as China is completely economically dependent on the US right now. I'm gonna say India.Espada12

Not really.. the US takes about 1/5 of chinas exports.. unless the other 4/5 doesn't count I don't think that's economic dependance. Well that's what I last heard on the matter at least.. not to mention the US owes china money :P

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

Trinners

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

stupid4

Smart man. You are right about everything, except the EU. Part of the reason why the US is so powerful is because we have acess to two major oceans, while Europe only has the Atlantic.

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

Trinners

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

It does have great influence on the US, but China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US can get their goods from other places.

Rome will rise again!Duckman5

They'll ride on the backs of dinosaurs. 8)

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

I never said that you made that statement in the first place.

LJS9502_basic

I was originally referring to the person above me in my original statement because he made a completely false argument and that your statement was irrelevant even though it was true.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]People saying China are fail, seeing as China is completely economically dependent on the US right now. I'm gonna say India.Saturos3091

Not really.. the US takes about 1/5 of chinas exports.. unless the other 4/5 doesn't count I don't think that's economic dependance. Well that's what I last heard on the matter at least.. not to mention the US owes china money :P

Look to the Americas for the next world power.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]People saying China are fail, seeing as China is completely economically dependent on the US right now. I'm gonna say India.Saturos3091

Not really.. the US takes about 1/5 of chinas exports.. unless the other 4/5 doesn't count I don't think that's economic dependance. Well that's what I last heard on the matter at least.. not to mention the US owes china money :P

Are you sure? As you said china is still very rural and has tons of argicultural communities, but they do have the biggest population in the world, but why .. considering thier food would they import food from the US instead of the surrounding countries?

It does have great influence on the US, but China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US can get their goods from other places.

stupid4

Not at the same cost.. which is why china is so influential. India is also outsourcing labour like crazy.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

stupid4

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

It does have great influence on the US, but China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US can get their goods from other places.

So can china, in fact their economy and infrastructure is vertically integrated meaning they can for the most part support themselves by using their own means and resources. The US, not so much.

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

Trinners

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

So can china, in fact their economy and infrastructure is vertically integrated meaning they can for the most part support themselves by using their own means and resources. The US, not so much.

Trinners

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

So can china, in fact their economy and infrastructure is vertically integrated meaning they can for the most part support themselves by using their own means and resources. The US, not so much.

LJS9502_basic

I assume they can change laws as they see fit to keep thier country in order. It's much easier for them to do that than countries such as the US.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

So can china, in fact their economy and infrastructure is vertically integrated meaning they can for the most part support themselves by using their own means and resources. The US, not so much.

Espada12

I assume they can change laws as they see fit to keep thier country in order. It's much easier for them to do that than countries such as the US.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

carrot-cake

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

Of course the boom in the manufacturing sector will bust as all economic booms do. China now is focusing on investment and banking and due to china's economic growth, the population now has more money. The chinese population likes to save and invest instead of consuming goods and as you can see, china's banking sector is experiecing a rapid growth. The banks will be supported by the wealth coming from the manufacturing sector and whatever is left of it when it eventually crashes. This allows to build deposits that help finance credit growth and foreign investment. In the future, China's economy will be perfectly fine and will influence other nation's economy through banking rather than manufactured goods.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Not really.. the US takes about 1/5 of chinas exports.. unless the other 4/5 doesn't count I don't think that's economic dependance. Well that's what I last heard on the matter at least.. not to mention the US owes china money :P

Espada12

Are you sure? As you said china is still very rural and has tons of argicultural communities, but they do have the biggest population in the world, but why .. considering thier food would they import food from the US instead of the surrounding countries?

Lesotho is poised to become a world-bestriding juggernaut.

Good question. Probably the Enclave... because, well, they'll be in control of the US then if the US fails. ;)Stevo_the_gamer

:lol:

I'm going to have to agree with Stevo on this one.

Russia!

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Good question. Probably the Enclave... because, well, they'll be in control of the US then if the US fails. ;)chessmaster1989

:lol:

I'm going to have to agree with Stevo on this one.

U.S. will be all powerful Avistann

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Good question. Probably the Enclave... because, well, they'll be in control of the US then if the US fails. ;)Stevo_the_gamer

:lol:

I'm going to have to agree with Stevo on this one.

Nooo don't I'm liking this trend.

Next thing you know it, you'll get careless, and... BOOM! you're a liberal! :D

Mwhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha :twisted:

Good question. Probably the Enclave... because, well, they'll be in control of the US then if the US fails. ;)Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

Are we talking about economic power? Yeah, definitely not China. Lets look at how China is at the moment. Most people are paid low wages and work in terrible conditions with terrible employers. This is the foundation of China's economy. I say its far too unstable, and there isn't as much foreign investment as there could be, because companies cannot be as free there as they can be in the US. Where does this investment come from? Oh right, most of it comes from the US doesnt it? Seems like theres a problem there. Sure some comes from the EU, but the headquarters and main operations are never going to China, that would be terrible for the company and its reputation.
Eventually, its going to be expensive to make things in China if reform is to take place. Now think about what companies are going to do, well they are going to get out and manufacture for cheap labour somewhere else. There goes China's great and vast economic power.
Sure they have their military numbers, but do they have the technology? I highly doubt it.
Don't even start with Russia, suggesting they are going to be number 1 is laughable at best. If anything, it would be the EU.

stupid4

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

It does have great influence on the US, but China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US can get their goods from other places.

And the Chinese could sell their goods to other places, see what I did thar? Seriously though, saying they need us more than we need them is ridiculous, as China is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Bonds. If they sold those T Bills it would cause a run on the USD, thereby destroying the United States' currency/purchasing power, and causing hyperinflation greater than what even the Weimar Republic suffered during the GD. We are in the same (although worse) position Great Britain was in the 1930's. The difference is that we were China back thenand Britain pretty much owed their debt only to us.We right now owe ludicrous amounts of money to Japan, China,the Oil Exporters(pretty much OPEC) and Russia. If China was to due that though, they would lose their biggest customer. We both need each other but China is in a better position being the debt holder, having a monetary surplus , and having a fantastic manufacturing base.

African countries will reign supreme. Neil before us heathens! :twisted:

[QUOTE="Unknown_Hero3"]

Psssh US will never crumble..:D

The faster Obamas out the betta

Nkemjo

Hmm you think obama started this whole disaster? How has Obama made it any worse? Nice claim you have there.

Djibouti is rising

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

What about china's exports on natural resources? The amount of outsourced labor and manufactured goods? China's economic infrastructure has great influence on other nations such as the US. Not to mention the largest markets are in asia, particularly in china, india and pacific rim nations.

On3ShotOneKill

It does have great influence on the US, but China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US can get their goods from other places.

And the Chinese could sell their goods to other places, see what I did thar? Seriously though, saying they need us more than we need them is ridiculous, as China is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Bonds. If they sold those T Bills it would cause a run on the USD, thereby destroying the United States' currency/purchasing power, and causing hyperinflation greater than what even the Weimar Republic suffered during the GD. We are in the same (although worse) position Great Britain was in the 1930's. The difference is that we were China back thenand Britain pretty much owed their debt only to us.We right now owe ludicrous amounts of money to Japan, China,the Oil Exporters(pretty much OPEC) and Russia. If China was to due that though, they would lose their biggest customer. We both need each other but China is in a better position being the debt holder, having a monetary surplus , and having a fantastic manufacturing base.

And Soviet Union #2 FTW!

China, clearly...

Once 'they' finally allow the market to crash and burn, as it should've a while back, it is my opinion that Asia, and perhaps in particular, China will be the next super power to come across the face of the earth.

That's IF they survive our crash. If I understand correctly, China has purchased a lot of our debt and holds a lot of our assets, but that recently stopped as the dollar continues to plummet in its nose dive. China however has been supressing their currency, so when the dollarcrashes and takes the rest of the world with it, China can take their hands off of their currency and let it skyrocket in value, much as the dollar once was.

Once 'they' finally allow the market to crash and burn, as it should've a while back, it is my opinion that Asia, and perhaps in particular, China will be the next super power to come across the face of the earth.

That's IF they survive our crash. If I understand correctly, China has purchased a lot of our debt and holds a lot of our assets, but that recently stopped as the dollar continues to plummet in its nose dive. China however has been supressing their currency, so when the dollarcrashes and takes the rest of the world with it, China can take their hands off of their currency and let it skyrocket in value, much as the dollar once was.

_R34LiTY_

That's what I understand, as well, with regard to the US government's debts. Once China (and other countries, but primarily China) begins asking our government to pay up, things are going to get interesting. And by interesting, I mean that the US dollar is probably going to become worthless. I'll leave it to readers to imagine what will happen to and in the US if the US dollar becomes worthless.

It may not even be China, it could be the UN altogether.

After all, they have or are forcing every nation to make their currency exchangable for SDRs. American dollars already are, Euros are, Frank etc are all exchangable for these Drawing Rights that is being issued by the IMF and World Bank into the world market. SDRs are the current world reserve currency, no longer the American Dollar.

I may be mistaken about all that

China will be, though I wouldn't be surprised if something came out like some type of one world goverment, then some countries collide to create bigger and better ones.

Once 'they' finally allow the market to crash and burn, as it should've a while back, it is my opinion that Asia, and perhaps in particular, China will be the next super power to come across the face of the earth.

That's IF they survive our crash. If I understand correctly, China has purchased a lot of our debt and holds a lot of our assets, but that recently stopped as the dollar continues to plummet in its nose dive. China however has been supressing their currency, so when the dollarcrashes and takes the rest of the world with it, China can take their hands off of their currency and let it skyrocket in value, much as the dollar once was.

_R34LiTY_

Macedon! or Canada!